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Not-So-Safe-Deposit Boxes: States Seize Citizens' Property to Balance Their Budgets
ABC News ^ | May 12, 2008 | Elisabeth Leamy

Posted on 05/12/2008 6:32:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

The 50 U.S. states are holding more than $32 billion worth of unclaimed property that they're supposed to safeguard for their citizens. But a "Good Morning America" investigation found some states aggressively seize property that isn't really unclaimed and then use the money -- your money -- to balance their budgets.

Unclaimed property consists of things like forgotten apartment security deposits, uncashed dividend checks and safe-deposit boxes abandoned when an elderly relative dies.

Banks and other businesses are required to turn that property over to the state for safekeeping. The problem is that the states return less than a quarter of unclaimed property to the rightful owners.

Not-So-Safe-Deposit Boxes

San Francisco resident Carla Ruff's safe-deposit box was drilled, seized, and turned over to the state of California, marked "owner unknown."

"I was appalled," Ruff said. "I felt violated."

Unknown? Carla's name was right on documents in the box at the Noe Valley Bank of America location. So was her address -- a house about six blocks from the bank. Carla had a checking account at the bank, too -- still does -- and receives regular statements. Plus, she has receipts showing she's the kind of person who paid her box rental fee. And yet, she says nobody ever notified her.

"They are zealously uncovering accounts that are not unclaimed," Ruff said.

To make matters worse, Ruff discovered the loss when she went to her box to retrieve important paperwork she needed because her husband was dying. Those papers had been shredded.

And that's not all. Her great-grandmother's precious natural pearls and other jewelry had been auctioned off. They were sold for just $1,800, even though they were appraised for $82,500.

"These things were things that she gave to me," Ruff said. "I valued them because I loved her."

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; landgrab; patriotact; propertyrights; ronpaul
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1 posted on 05/12/2008 6:34:01 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: traviskicks; AuntB; cripplecreek; Coleus; Extremely Extreme Extremist; ExTexasRedhead; ...

This is absolutely appalling.


2 posted on 05/12/2008 6:35:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Karl Marx supported free trade. Does that make him a free market conservative?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

maybe there’ll be another Tea Party after all.


3 posted on 05/12/2008 6:35:48 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The sick list is varied, though most for now are victims of the housing crash: Linens 'n Things, ($6)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Plus, she has receipts showing she's the kind of person who paid her box rental fee.

She paid, or she didn't... But being the "kind of person who pays" is fishy...

4 posted on 05/12/2008 6:42:50 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Simple-minded conservative...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Unlikely. The plans for the next Tea Party were seized from the safe deposit box they had been stored in, and were shredded last month.


5 posted on 05/12/2008 6:43:00 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
"Banks and other businesses are required to turn that property over to the state for safekeeping."

Isn't that a contradiction in terms? State, safekeeping citizens property? I don't understand why people would be surprised to hear this. :~/

6 posted on 05/12/2008 6:43:01 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (I'd rather be single than wish I was.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
They were sold for just $1,800, even though they were appraised for $82,500.

To whom?

7 posted on 05/12/2008 6:43:35 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Clintonfatigued
San Francisco resident Carla Ruff's safe-deposit box was drilled, seized, and turned over to the state of California, marked "owner unknown."

If the story is true (doubtful) then she has an open a shut case against the bank who she had a business arrangement with.

8 posted on 05/12/2008 6:44:24 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Simple-minded conservative...)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
To whom?

Oh, but that is a great question. Some deputy's nephew's dog.

Or a Tony Rezko wannabe.

9 posted on 05/12/2008 6:44:47 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The sick list is varied, though most for now are victims of the housing crash: Linens 'n Things, ($6)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Doesn’t matter if you pay or not. If you haven’t made a transaction to an account in three years (in the case of a safe deposit box, a visit to it) then said account can be grabbed by the state. It’s outrageous.


10 posted on 05/12/2008 6:46:30 PM PDT by FixedandDilated
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To: Clintonfatigued

The absolute one thing you can count on is a politician’s greed.


11 posted on 05/12/2008 6:52:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
This is absolutely appalling.

This is business as usual.

Kleptocrats and Repubrigands doing what they do best, stealing what doesn't belong to them to give to those who haven't earned it.

This experiment is an abysmal failure.
12 posted on 05/12/2008 6:53:58 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I would think Ms Ruff would be entitled to take a nice bite out of B of A. Presumably, she was paying rent on the box. Therefore, the bank was negligent in wrongfully identifying the property as abandoned.


13 posted on 05/12/2008 6:54:59 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Clintonfatigued
Carla's name was right on documents in the box at the Noe Valley Bank of America location.

That this happened at B of A doesn't surprise me one iota. Too many big national banks have poor customer service and control at the retail level. I much prefer to deal with a well-capitalized local bank. That way, if there's a problem, I'll get to talk to someone who gives a damn about solving it.

14 posted on 05/12/2008 6:55:42 PM PDT by Huntress (Barack Obama--Not just another empty suit.)
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To: Onelifetogive

It is hard to make a claim about what you lost from a Safe deposit box because you have no proof of what you put in the box.


15 posted on 05/12/2008 6:55:45 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (the evening ThomasThomas wore his wolf suit and made mischief of one kind and another ....")
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To: Clintonfatigued

Something similar happened to us...we were living in Canada most of the time for job, but, maintained home here...but changed address. However, had another account in MY name at the same bank (business) with a current address. They had to move the boxes for remodeling or something and since they couldn’t get a hold of us had decided were were unreachable.....until I showed up one day and asked....WHERE IS MY SAFE DEPOSIT BOX? And, yes, all the rentals had been paid....they knew where we were....luckily I got there before they disposed of the stuff in it.


16 posted on 05/12/2008 6:56:03 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Liberals learning curves are pretty flat,)
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To: FixedandDilated

Thanks for that bit of info. I just e-mailed my bank and asked them to make this perfectly clear. I will post their reply when I receive it. (supposedly 1 business day)


17 posted on 05/12/2008 7:06:59 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Clintonfatigued

Why is this a surprise? This is a state that has little regard for property rights in the first place.


18 posted on 05/12/2008 7:08:25 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Clintonfatigued

No doubt after voting for thieves and ruffians (Democrats) all her life, this San Francisco resident is SHOCKED - that they dared to steal from HER!


19 posted on 05/12/2008 7:25:59 PM PDT by ikka
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To: FixedandDilated

That happened to my boss. She put $2000 in a savings account and left it there for emergency cases. Never touched it until she needed it. Went to get it, it was gone. Took her two years to get it from the state and they charged her a FEE FOR HANDLING IT.

Ridiculous.


20 posted on 05/12/2008 7:30:13 PM PDT by Southerngl
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