Posted on 05/14/2008 7:04:34 AM PDT by flowerplough
Missouri and at least 19 other states are considering passing laws that would force people to prove their citizenship before they can vote. These bills are not a sincere effort to prevent noncitizens from voting; that is a made-up problem. The real aim is to reduce turnout by eligible voters. Republicans seem to think that laws of this kind will help them win elections, but burdensome rules like these — and others cropping up around the country — pose a serious threat to democracy and should be stopped.
The Missouri legislature is, as Ian Urbina reported in The Times on Monday, on the verge of passing an amendment to the State Constitution that would require proof of citizenship from anyone registering to vote. In addition to the Missouri amendment, which would require voter approval, Florida, Kansas, South Carolina and other states are considering similar rules.
There is no evidence that voting by noncitizens is a significant problem.
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“There is no evidence that voting by noncitizens is a significant problem”
So,,, citizens, vote early, and vote often!
I AM LESS WORRIED ABOUT NON CITIZENS VOTING AS I AM ABOUT THOSE PESKY DEAD PEOPLE WHO VOTE IN DROVES.
This article poses a vacuous truth. Of course there is no evidence that voting by non-citizens is a problem because most places don't check for citizenship.
Oh please.
The old gray bag lady is wrong ... in Missouri - notably St Louis, we’ve sent multiple rats to prison for voter fraud from the 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections — the cases were indeed involving fictional, redundant, illegal and dead voters.
Other cities and states are cesspools of fraud - look at those voting above the percentage of registered voters, and every single one of them involve rat politicians, lawyers and activists seeking to stuff the ballot boxes.
“The real aim is to reduce turnout by eligible voters.”
There also is no evidence of reduced turnout. Yet the author says that is the goal.
And the geniuses at the NYT wonder why their readership & advertising revenue is falling like a rock...
Hogwash!.............
I thought it was more to discourage the hypothetical situation where 500 mythical people who reside at, say, the same gas station, are trying to vote by absentee ballot and their signatures are all remarkably similar.
The Slimes once again shows it is irrelevant.
None whatsoever....as long as you militantly avoid recognizing it.
The myth is that having an ID to vote is burdensome.
In today’s society virtually every citizen has access to an ID. You can get one in Texas, for example, from the Driver’s License department, even if you don’t drive.
And IDs are ubiquitous. You have to have an ID-or a visitor’s pass—to get into the Times building.
Will we see an article about the myth of voter intimidation?
I’m not new here, but I am slow. Ain’t quite caught on to alerting potential barfers yet. Sorry.
What would be a sincere effort to prevent noncitizens from voting, New York Times? Please put forth your own ideas to prevent noncitizens from voting.
I need an ID to:
Buy alcohol,
Rent videos,
Buy tobacco products,
Borrow a book from the library,
Apply for a job,
etc,
etc,
etc.
I know that voting is way beyond the top of the list.
The truth is that liberals are afraid that blacks would stay away from the polls because they would be afraid that their ID’s would be run for outstanding warrants.
This article is funny, it sounds almost childish. They are asking us to prove a negative. If illegal voting is not happening, then what is the problem with showing ID? Voters should be happy to show it.
A few years ago one of the major news media outlet, I don’t remember which one, actually followed Julia Carson supporters around her district in Indianapolis and video taped buses taking elderly women from one polling place after another to vote. One of the local TV stations in conjunction with a local newspaper also documented fraud using absentee ballots in nursing homes. The political operatives would gather up names of people in the homes who were, how shall we say it, not quite there anymore, and then request ballots be sent to them. Miss Julia’s people would then fill them out, forge the person’s name or get then to sign it, have another worker sign as the witness and send them back in. This was discovered by a daughter of one of the “voters” who happened to show up while her mother was “voting”. The woman had been a life long republican, but her ballot was filled out to vote straight democrat. The daughter started asking question and that got the media involved. It was also common practice for local thugs to intimidate republican poll workers in the inner-city precincts by hanging around the parking lot in large groups or making sure they were leaning on the worker’s car at the end of the day, etc.. This made it very hard to get workers, most of whom are older, white women, to work some places where they had to be there before sunrise and leave after sunset. When the republicans controlled the sheriff’s office, off duty deputies were sent to work those precincts, but for the last 6 years democrats have controlled the sheriff’s office so many of the inner city precincts have no republican presences.
I am sure this goes on in other big cities too, this is just what I know about Indianapolis.
Forgive my repetitive posting of this but....Resistance to Voter ID is a brazen effort by the left to facilitate voter fraud. The legislators who vote on it and the judges who rule on it know this perfectly well. They serve as a barometer of how corrupt our government has become.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2015445/posts
The Pali phone bank is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the ME interfering in our Presidential election, IMHO. Why don't they report on any of this?
In order to believe that few, if any of the 20 million illegal aliens in the U.S. are not voting, you’d have to be a willing idiot or a Democrat, insofar as there is a difference. Wherever proof of citizenship or residency is unchallenged, and where large numbers of illegals live, voter fraud is rampant, as Republican precinct workers have widely reported. Of course, nobody does anything about it. The media refuse to report the problem and the Democrat city machines (the same ones that bus these people to the polls) turn their backs and laugh at the poor GOP workers who are powerless to stop the fraud.
The only trouble is the person who proves it wrong usually doesn't own a huge printing press and distribution system.
Indiana voter id law was just upheld by the Supreme Court. I hope we see every state in the union pass the exact same law. It will curtail illegals, dead people, fictitious people, people w/ warrants and criminals from voting.
“The real aim is to reduce turnout by eligible voters. “
How so Mr. Liberal editor? If you can’t produce evidence of your citizenship, then why should they be allowed to vote?
Pinging “(B-1)” Bob Dornan!!!
In Arizona, the only state that requires proof of citizenship to register to vote, more than 38,000 voter registration applications have been thrown out since the state adopted its measure in 2004. That number was included in election data obtained through a lawsuit filed by voting rights advocates and provided to The New York Times. More than 70 percent of those registrations came from people who stated under oath that they were born in the United States, the data showed.
Even if that 70% figure is accurate, that leaves 11,400 ineligible voters. How many elections have been decided by fewer votes than that?
Who am I gonna believe, the NY Slimes, or my own lyin’ eyes which have seen vote fraud take place, and couldn’t do anything about it because they weren’t allowed to ask for ID?
If this is the case, then they need to take the steps necessary to remedy this before election day. Birth Certificates are available from the Town Clerk where you were born. Proof of citizenship is available from the US Department of State or the Social Security office. Since you are required by law to have a Social Security number.
the right to vote is not taken away for partisan political gain.
I don't see any effort to take away anyone's "right to vote". What we are demanding is that you only be able to vote ONCE !!! Why should I have my vote diminished by someone who is able to, and does vote in several precincts.
You could have saved yourself some typing...
Since we don't check ID's how does this moron know it's not a problem. Does any one actually believe illegals are not voting?
There, fixed it for them.
” thought it was more to discourage the hypothetical situation where 500 mythical people who reside at, say, the same gas station, are trying to vote by absentee ballot and their signatures are all remarkably similar.”
Voter fraud has given Christine Gregoire the governorship of Washington state.
Indeed, many “homeless” were registered as residents at the Seattle federal office building. The dead were registered by the King County (Seattle) voter registering machine closer to their old, shall we say, expired, home addresses.
Any state that gives out voter ballots in the voter’s “native” languages generally means they are NOT citizens. In order to become a citizen under the old system required that one speak English.
At the next election we will again have King County report late—just like the Chicago Daley machine did to elect Kennedy back in 1960—and again, King County will “elect” Gregoire just as they did the last time.
And as for voter intimidation, this is as common in Seattle’s black precincts—which keep scumwads like Jim McDermot in congress—as it is in St. Louis, MO.
The NY Times and Seattle Times—both of which are going way, way downhill, faster and faster, are leftist thundermugs. But, alas, are also on the winning leftist activist side of corruption and stupidity that is costing us our country to non-citizen voters and other illegals.
Better quit or I’ll blow a gasket.
What I can’t ever get a straight answer about is...
if vote fraud is such a myth, then these laws will affect no one, right?
Also, is my vote as “sacred” as someone else’s? Shouldn’t it be protected from being cancelled by an illegal vote?
Trust the New York Slimes to lie.
Dead folks and their dogs still vote in St. Louis, or so I’m told...
It would be a bit obvious for the NYT to defend (Democrat) vote fraud directly, even considering its reader base, so the obvious approach is to pretend it doesn’t exist.
Very good summary.
But apparently, research that honorous was not possible for the adept reporters at the Times.
Congressman Billybob
Heck, if you can register at the polling station and don't need ID for that either, you can vote some more after all of your pre-registered spots are hit.
You don't even need to use multiple names but you can invent as many aliases as you want if you so choose. You just need to remember which name you are registered under at each polling station. There is nothing to suggest that a Juan Hernandez voting at every polling station within a 50 mile radius is the same guy.
How could the author of this editorial know this is a 'made up problem' since IDs are not currently being required in most states?
There's no reason not to require an ID to vote. You have to do so just to rent a movie or get on a plane. Instead of spending money whining about it, Dems could uses that money to pay for picture IDs for all these poor and elderly they claim are being disenfranchised. (Talk about a made up problem.)
In other words in an almost impossible standared, he very nearly did the impossible. Still there was no doubt he was cheated.
Bet this idiot still has locks on the door to his house even though there is no evidence of home invasion robbery in his neighborhood.
That's an excellent point. But they can't just let anybody in without knowing who they are!
Obviously, the NY Times values the sanctity of their corporate cafeteria more than the sanctity of the American political system.
“There is no evidence that voting by noncitizens is a significant problem.”
Maybe not, but a lot of dead Democrats seem to vote.
In all, the judge identified 1,678 illegal votes: 745 from felons on the GOP list, 647 from felons on the Democrats' list, 175 mishandled provisional ballots in King County and 77 in Pierce County, six double votes and 19 ballots cast in the name of dead people.
The election was won by a margin of only 133 votes, illegals voters likely made the difference.
Because there is no easy way to verify citizenship it is almost impossible to KNOW if illegals are voting. Even in the recount process. States keep lists of citizens, but not their legal citizenship status. Birth certificates are issued by thousands of counties across the country and there is no master index.
The NY Times fully knows this and they are using a tautology to support their flimsy argument. "It's never been proven to be a problem" because there is no mechanism to do so, and they insist on preventing such a mechanism from coming into place.
Typical sneaky, lying, ends-justifies-the-means lib-tards.
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