Most likely a .38 special or maybe a 1911. But notice he never said he used one. His weapons were 500 lb bombs, by necessity dumb ones, attached to Heinemann's Hotrod, aka; The Scooter, the Tinkertoy, or the A-4 Skyhawk. Pretty much like these:
Posted on 05/16/2008 9:06:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
LOUISVILLE, Kentucky (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain warned gun owners on Friday that his Democratic opponents Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would threaten their right to bear arms, as he sought to rally conservatives' support in the November election.
The right to bear arms in the Constitution's second amendment is considered sacred by many U.S. gun owners. Both Obama and Clinton tout their support for it, although they also say ways must be found to keep guns from falling into the hands of criminals or those who are mentally ill.
But the Arizona senator accused the two Democrats of giving only "theoretical" support to the second amendment.
"They claim to support hunters and gun owners. But just because they don't talk about gun control doesn't mean they won't support gun control," McCain told a convention of the National Rifle Association.
"If either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama is elected president, the rights of law-abiding gun owners will be at risk. They have both voted as senators to ban guns or ban ammunition or to allow gun makers to be sued out of existence," he said.
Obama, an Illinois senator and the front-runner in the battle for the Democratic nomination to run against McCain in November, countered by accusing him of trying to whip up fear about his positions and using the "same playbook" from other elections.
"I think people have the right to lawfully bear arms. I do believe that there is nothing inconsistent with also saying that we can institute some common-sense gun laws so that we don't have kids being shot on the streets of cities like Chicago," Obama said while campaigning in South Dakota.
BACKGROUND CHECKS
Reasonable gun laws would include strong background checks of those who sought to buy weapons and tracing guns back to "unscrupulous" gun dealers who sold them to people who shouldn't be able to get them, Obama said.
The influential gun rights organization's convention drew some 70,000 people and its panel of speakers included other well-known Republicans, including former presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee.
Huckabee, interrupted by a loud crash as he spoke, joked that the noise was Obama falling off a chair as he dodged a gun aimed at him. "That was Barack Obama. He just tripped off a chair. He was getting ready to speak and somebody aimed a gun at him, and he dove for the floor," Huckabee said.
The former Arkansas governor later apologized, saying it was an "offhand remark that was in no way intended to offend or disparage Senator Obama."
McCain's appearance was part of his attempt to shore up support among the conservative base of his party.
McCain has differed from the National Rifle Association on some issues, said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the NRA, who cited McCain's support for requiring background checks for people who make purchases at gun shows.
"That's one of the disagreements we've had," LaPierre told the Louisville Courier-Journal. "On the other hand, Senator McCain is the only one in the race that has a pro-gun record of any kind."
To underscore his support for gun rights, McCain stopped in a gun store in West Virginia. But the senator, who does not hunt, walked past the rifles and picked up a fishing pole instead.
"I'm very well versed in the use of firearms. I carried a firearm in combat. I've used them in the past. I'm just not a hunter," said McCain, who served as a Navy pilot in the Vietnam War and is a former prisoner of war.
(Additional reporting by Jeff Mason, editing by Chris Wilson)
McCain keeps mentioning hunting, hunting....as if the Second Amendment has a damn thing to do with hunting!
Senator, the founding fathers intended for the citizens of the country to have firearms so that they, the citizens, would have a means to overthrow a tyrannical government if such as government should every come into being. Sheesh!
Correct.
I’m not gonna trust him.
A liberal RINO who forms a coalition with the drunkard Ted Kennedy threatens gun rights.
You are saying that McCain is worse than Hillary or Obama on guns? Nonsense. McCain is about a B+ on guns. Hillary and Obama are both Fs.
btt
Which is precisely the way I see it.
McCain is unlikely (or less likely) to appoint judges who will confiscate firearms; and/or will define the Second Amendment out of existence.
And then...we can institute some common-sense gun laws so that we don't have kids being shot on the streets of cities like Chicago," Obama said...
As always, Obama hasn't a clue as to what laws already exist and will steadfastly refuse to be specific on what "common-sense gun laws" just might be.
Says the man sporting an "F-" from Gun Owners of America.
What's next, a claim that they threaten free speech rights? Amnesty for tens of millions of illegals? Global governance via the global warming scam?
Pot, meet kettle.
McCain promoting the Bill of Rights?? The sky must be falling.
McCain's GOA rating is "F-."
"That's one of the disagreements we've had," LaPierre told the Louisville Courier-Journal. "On the other hand, Senator McCain is the only one in the race that has a pro-gun record of any kind."
I'm so tired of this "background check" BS being mischaracterized by the press. I just have to wonder if it's really due to stupidity rather than being devious as the law as it stands gets quoted time after time after time.
Purchases at gun shows across the US are subject to background checks. No ifs, buts, hunting, fishing, tyranny or anything else. One more time for clarity for our presstitute friends:
PURCHASING A GUN AT A GUNSHOW IS SUBJECT TO A BACKGROUND CHECK.
Perhaps I'm just not putting it right.
IF YOU WANT TO BUY A GUN AT A GUNSHOW, YOU MUST UNDERGO A BACKGROUND CHECK.
Think they understood that? Nah. Me neither. But, I do have a gunshow to go to tomorrow. Yay!!!!! And I may buy a gun at the gunshow or outside of the gunshow!!!
This is the pot calling the kettle black indeed. Just more election posturing.
Most likely a .38 special or maybe a 1911. But notice he never said he used one. His weapons were 500 lb bombs, by necessity dumb ones, attached to Heinemann's Hotrod, aka; The Scooter, the Tinkertoy, or the A-4 Skyhawk. Pretty much like these:
His 2004 rating from the NRA was C+. That's about the same as a D or D- for a Dem. Don't know about yours but my Mama didn't pay for anything below a B, and they weren't worth much.
Obama voted to ban almost all ammo and voted against allowing self-defense pleas when someone uses a gun in a gun ban zone - all of Chicago. He supports the so called "assault" weapons ban. He supports a total handgun ban. He supports frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers. He opposed Roberts and Alito.
McCain isn't perfect. We all know his gun shows stance and McCain-Feingold. At the same time he voted wrong on gun shows, he voted against the AWB and to stop frivolous lawsuits. He signed the DC v Heller brief that broke with the BS third way approach given by the Bush administraion. He also voted for Roberts, Clarence Thomas, and Alito.
McCain isn't a gun owner's first choice. He isn't the last choice either among Republicans and is better than Romney or Giuliani.
We could have done better, but also could do worse.
Only if you buy from a licensed dealer. Your state may have different laws, but federal law only requires the check if you buy from a federally licensed dealer. That's the same if you buy at a gun show, or in a gun or pawn shop. Just as you do not need to have the check if you buy a gun from a person who is not a dealer, whether you do it in his house, your house, or at a gun show.
His most recent anti-gun move was in 04 with that gun show vote.
Seems to me we are starting to see the first signs mcnutts will start pandering to conservatives on the usual issues.Anyone want to bet on that?I think his campaign might be noticing the lack of funds coming into the coffers.
I think he co-sponsored the gun show loop hole bill, with his good friends Lieberman and Ted,as he calls it. There is no such of a thing. But it shows how insane the old man is.
The actual real results that people like McCain are after is to make the private sells of firearms between individuals illegal, without going to a dealer. It is the old nose under the tent thing. If it become illegal for individuals to buy and sell firearms, they would lose 50% of their value over night.
Thanks for proving my point. Nobody ever mentions buying from a dealer, they just blather on about no background checks at gun shows. And this article makes it seem like McCain is for them (and for checks on transfers between non-releatives) and the NRA is against them.
As for the NRA rating, a big part of that is not due to McCain's gun record, but McCain-Fiengold, which the NRA quite properly opposed vehemently. I was just referring to his record on guns alone, which is good with the exception of supporting background checks at gun shows. I'm not sure if that bill included other private transfers, which is much worse (and something we already have here in CA).
The GOA rating is ridiculous. If McCain is an F, what are Obama and Hillary? Triple F- ?
McCain will sell out gun owners as part of his “reaching across the aisle”, sure as shootin’.
All three presidential hopefuls have said they want to “close the gun show loophole,” and Mayors Against Illegal Guns is holding them to their word.
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/youtube_041408.shtml
McCain on Gun Show Loop Hole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1c4Ko2KvEw
McCain voted against the Brady bill and the assault weapons ban.
What started as a "reasonable" check to see if a potential buyer was a felon or a mental patient or a drug user was expanded to include anyone who was accused of violence against women and then anyone that had a protective order against them (ex-husbands are very familiar with how easy those are to come by) and now includes misdemeanors in the past that would have been upgraded to felonies in the present.
The worst part is that the government has no requirement to tell a potential buyer what the sale is being restricted of and there is no readily available appeal process. It is also nearly impossible to see your own record within the database and get an item removed.
The antigunners are getting exactly what they wanted with this system but as far as I can tell, nobody is doing anything to stop it.
True. But while McCain’s brand of gun control will make us sick, Obama’s and Hillery’s will kill us.
Duh!
The right to bear arms in the Constitution's second amendment is considered sacred by many U.S. gun owners.
This quote tells you EXACTLY where the author stands on the issue. But there's no bias in the MSM, honest.
But the Arizona senator accused the two Democrats of giving only "theoretical" support to the second amendment.
"They claim to support hunters and gun owners. But just because they don't talk about gun control doesn't mean they won't support gun control," McCain told a convention of the National Rifle Association.
"If either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama is elected president, the rights of law-abiding gun owners will be at risk. They have both voted as senators to ban guns or ban ammunition or to allow gun makers to be sued out of existence," he said.
Again, Duh!
"I'm very well versed in the use of firearms. I carried a firearm in combat. I've used them in the past. I'm just not a hunter," said McCain
Same here (no combat experience, of course). I don't care for wild game at all. But, I don't own my guns for hunting.
I don’t trust any of them and McCain is also in full political mode now and he will say what ever he thinks the crowd he’s facing wants to hear and then turn around and ask Feinstien , Kennedy , Lieberman and the rest of his rino cohorts for their liberal opinions . I almost think McCain is running as a democrat in the R party .
Well said.
"I think people have the right to lawfully bear arms. I do believe that there is nothing inconsistent with also saying that we can institute some common-sense gun laws so that we don't have kids being shot on the streets of cities like Chicago," Obama said while campaigning in South Dakota.
Okay asshat. So what you're saying is besides IL's Firearms laws, that Chicago's additional and existing 39 pages (in size 4 font) of Firearms Laws aren't enough, are to lenient and don't go far enough and 'we' need more. Is that about it sh*t for brains.
Well sorry 'senator' I don't know how you can get any more 'common sense' than having it required that all Cap Pistols be registered with the Chicago Police Dept. /s
Yeah, that's really flucking 'sensible' that I'd have to register my Nichols Stallion 45 CAP GUN with the cops if I moved back to that hell hole. (like when Monkeys fly out of my butt)
Which time, and which vote.
Actually I think the opposite would occur. Prices would rise. They always do when regulations restrict the supply or number of suppliers.
The real problem is that all guns would then become easily traceable. The "background check" and the yellow form 4473 provide that traceability. But the next step, already in work, is to make the background check into a true registration scheme, with the electronic record of the sale permanently stored and easily searchable by name and/or address. I can imagine a President Obama or Clinton II, with a majority Congress and filibuster proof Senate, declaring that all past 4473s must be copied and the copies sent to BATFE for conversion to a permanent electronic record, as many already have been. (not that the backups of the instant background check don't provide the same capability quicker)
Actually, yes. It's bad and very, very bad.
Wrong!!!! The harder it is to buy and sell, the less people will do so, then the cost of the deal would increase by about 10% to 20%.
Neither did you. It's a critical point. The law is no different at a gun show than elsewhere. There is nothing magic, black or white, about sales at a gun show.
The real target is not private party sales at gun shows, it's gun shows themselves.
One thing about gun show sales is different. There is a much higher chance of their being a police officer or BATFE agent on the premises than at either a gun shop or someone's home.
The Spad (Skyraider) was designed by the same guy who later designed the Scooter (Skyhawk). Ed Heinamann.
Actually, C- from the NRA and a F- from the GOA for McCain.
Very interesting. Not only does McCain support closing a loophole that doesn't exist, he goes to a state not his own to do it.
These not the actions of one who understands the second amendment, let alone supports it, anymore than McCain-Fiengold was written to strengthen the first amendment.
He also shows that he'd clueless. There is no such thing as an "unlicensed dealer". If you are "in the business" of dealing in firearms, you must have a federal firearms license. Period. Stop, end of discussion. (Enforced by cat stomping, dog shooting, goons).
He did want to get reelected. And that was before he was quite such a notorious big name Maverick on the national scene.
???? If the cost of the deal increases, does not that equate to a higher price. (actually it doesn't, price and cost are not the same thing, but in the vernacular they are often equated).
McCain would be a better frog cooker. With Clibama the frog might just jump out of the pot.
But John, I'm a free citizen in a free country. So why is it that, if I took out a full page ad in a newspaper 60 days before an election, and ran this article word-for-word, and encouraged my fellow citizens to vote for you, and against your opponent, I could be fined and jailed? Why is that, John?
I do believe the answer to my question is the McCain-Feingold law, John. Which is another piece of the puzzle of the things you just don't get.
And since you don't get this, you don't get my vote. Do you get that, John?
Thank you for making my point.
Whenever the MSM reports on the "gun show loophole" they NEVER mention it covers private sales at a gun show. They completely omit the fact that probably over 99% of the sales at a gun show are done thru licensed dealers who do conduct background checks.
My post was to troll for someone to point out the fact that I didn't say anything about private sales (thank you) even though I repeated time and again that background checks are done at gun shows; which is something the MSM won't even do.
So it's no wonder that most Americans think that gun shows are nothing more than arms bazaars that sell to rednecks and terrorists as they never even explain the most obvious details.
And I must disagree with you on the fact that they are going after gun shows first. I think they need to get the private sales gone first (as that's their "gun show loophole"). That will make everyone who does a private transfer a criminal. They will have to go to gun shows or local dealers to get the deal done, which means all gun sales will be tracked. Getting them all into the system is the objective first. Then kill off the gun shows.
Off to go look for a new G29 for a truck gun :-)
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