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Authorities Return to Polygamist Ranch Amid Reports More Children May Be Living on Premises
Fox News ^ | May 21, 2008

Posted on 05/21/2008 1:36:30 PM PDT by Zakeet

Child Protective Services workers returned to the West Texas ranch of a polygamist sect after learning that there may be more children living there.

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Guy Jessop was standing guard at the main gate of a ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and said he denied two state workers accompanied by a sheriff's deputy access without a search warrant.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flds; mormon; mormonism; polygamy
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CPS have seized more than 460 children from the Yearning
For Zion ranch, believing the children were being forced into
underage marriages and sex.

1 posted on 05/21/2008 1:36:31 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; Greg F; ...

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2 posted on 05/21/2008 1:49:00 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I saw this on TV. CPS showed up without a warrant and was turned away.


3 posted on 05/21/2008 1:55:15 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: greyfoxx39

Come to think of it, it’s possible they could have hidden some children. I hope they have the place surrounded so they don’t sneak them away.

This mess has to be sorted out. Some of these kids have been shuffled around like a deck of cards — new mommies, new daddies.

It will be interesting to see what develops. Could it be they spotted some kids from a helicopter?


4 posted on 05/21/2008 1:56:00 PM PDT by rightazrain (Stop Obama/Clinton!)
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To: Zakeet

The kids went feral and are living out in the brush country.

Being raised by wolves seemed to be a better option.


5 posted on 05/21/2008 2:00:01 PM PDT by alloysteel (Is John McCain headed into the Perfect Storm? You bet he is.)
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To: Soliton
"I saw this on TV. CPS showed up without a warrant and was turned away."

Do they think that the Bill of Rights is actually the Bill of Suggestions????

6 posted on 05/21/2008 2:03:44 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: rednesss
Do they think that the Bill of Rights is actually the Bill of Suggestions????

They left when they were denied access didn't they?

The bill of rights doesn't say they can't drop by and ask if they can look around. Not much sense in taking time investigating such reports or attaining a warrant if the FLDS were willing to let them have a look around.

Since they were denied access, they will have to investigate the credibility of the reports in other ways, and get a warrant if the evidence justifies it.

7 posted on 05/21/2008 2:13:44 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Zakeet
Guy Jessop was standing guard at the main gate of a ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and said he denied two state workers...

Sounds like they need a long-term "insider." That way when a mock wedding is in the "act," it won't matter if even a number are standing guard around the Mormon temple bed.

8 posted on 05/21/2008 2:14:08 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: rightazrain
rightazrain said: "Come to think of it, it’s possible they could have hidden some children."

Since the CPS failed to find such children the first time, it should be obvious to everybody that the only reasonable thing to do is to torture the adults until they confess and give up the children.

9 posted on 05/21/2008 2:20:25 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: William Tell

“Since the CPS failed to find such children the first time, it should be obvious to everybody that the only reasonable thing to do is to torture the adults until they confess and give up the children.”

A little wee bit of an over-the-top reaction IMO.
Imagining myself as a child in this cult, I shudder at the thought of either being forced to marry, or being kicked out (lost boys).

Why is it no one reviews and considers the track record of this cult when it comes to the children?


10 posted on 05/21/2008 2:32:17 PM PDT by rightazrain (:No people . . .have ever survived . . . by (being) inoffensive to their enemies." Dean Acheson)
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To: greyfoxx39
Satan's Accountant
11 posted on 05/21/2008 2:33:19 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: William Tell
They probably forgot their "tank".

Once they retrieve it, they will be back. I wonder if they will get to paint any more trophy symbols on it (see upper left corner of APC)?

12 posted on 05/21/2008 2:33:58 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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rightazrain said: "Why is it no one reviews and considers the track record of this cult when it comes to the children?"

Sounds like the CPS is on the job. Like you, they are convinced that crimes have taken place and they hope that the DNA testing will prove it. Then they will attempt to obtain the DNA samples from all the adults with an expectation of getting convictions.

But, like the hoax phone call that was originally reported with this story, the charge that welfare fraud was being committed in Texas appears to be false.

CPS has also created a dilemma for themselves and the courts. CPS has apparently refused to accept Utah birth certificates to prove adulthood for some women who have claimed to be adults but who CPS claims are children.

How can CPS then later make claims regarding the ages of presumed victims of statutory rape based on those same types of documents? How else does CPS intend to establish the ages of the victims?

13 posted on 05/21/2008 2:58:26 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: rightazrain

Absolutely they might have hidden some children and/or parents. Lisa Ling did a report on the Oprah show, where she went to Warren Jeffs’ now deserted compound. The place was riddled with hidden rooms, secret passages, and tunnels. The express purpose of all of those hidden rooms was to hide the women and children from authorities.

I would not be at all surprised to find out that they DID miss some children and/or parents, but by now, they’re likely in Utah or Arizona or Canada or who knows.

Even so, it might be helpful to take the place apart board by board, brick by brick, and see what’s hidden in those secrets spaces that Warren Jeffs likes so much.


14 posted on 05/21/2008 3:02:42 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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FreeInWV said: "I wonder if they will get to paint any more trophy symbols on it "

So many law enforcement agencies seem to enjoy playing soldier, with all the war-making toys that we supply to our soldiers. But I don't think those same agencies would care to face the armed opponents that our Army faces. Instead, they intend to use these tools against us relatively unarmed civilians. This is not a good thing.

15 posted on 05/21/2008 3:03:32 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: rednesss
"Do they think that the Bill of Rights is actually the Bill of Suggestions????"

Obviously not, or they wouldn't have left, now, would they have? Sheesh.

16 posted on 05/21/2008 3:04:07 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: rightazrain; rednesss

Woops, post #14 was intended for rednesss somehow was addressed to you, rightazrain!


17 posted on 05/21/2008 3:06:36 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: FreeInWV
But, but -- the MSM are always whining that "the police are outgunned"...
18 posted on 05/21/2008 3:27:53 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: MizSterious
"Obviously not, or they wouldn't have left, now, would they have? Sheesh."

OK so what you are saying is that they don't completely loath the Constitution, they are merely complete MORONS for showing up at a place that is full of people that they have just ground through the sausage maker that is the "system" and expected them to voluntarily let them in and violate them like a parking meter????? Got it, they're not Nazis, they're idiots, you might have a valid argument.

19 posted on 05/21/2008 3:39:05 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: FreeInWV; William Tell
Sheriffs with tanks will be the face of future law enforcement.....if the Mormon-haters here have their way.

The “arrest and seize them all, someone must be guilty of something and if we look long and hard enough we'll find it!” mantra is a very dangerous road to travel. And to think that previously good strong freedom-loving conservatives are actually promoting this type of behavior!

20 posted on 05/21/2008 3:47:21 PM PDT by panaxanax (Writing in Duncan Hunter/John Bolton in 2008!)
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