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TROOPS WORRY: "What if a Democrat wins?" Mullen warns military: stay out of politics (REPOST)
International Herald Tribune ^ | May 25, 2008 | Thom Shanker

Posted on 05/26/2008 8:54:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard

WASHINGTON: The highest-ranking U.S. military officer has written an unusual open letter to all those in uniform, warning them to stay out of politics as the United States approaches a presidential election in which the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will be a central, and certainly divisive, issue.

"The U.S. military must remain apolitical at all times," wrote Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "It is and must always be a neutral instrument of the state, no matter which party holds sway."

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Mullen said he was inspired to write the essay after receiving a constant stream of legitimate, if troubling, questions while visiting U.S. military personnel around the world, including, "What if a Democrat wins?" and, "What will that do to the mission in Iraq?"

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I reposted this because that question, "What if a Democrat wins" simply NEEDED to be in the title.
1 posted on 05/26/2008 8:54:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; freema; ...

(( ping ))


2 posted on 05/26/2008 8:55:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Vanity bump.


3 posted on 05/26/2008 8:56:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

According to Admiral “cut and run” Mullins, aren’t his troops all supposed to resign in protest if they don’t like the leadership? It seems the man can’t keep his story straight.


4 posted on 05/26/2008 9:02:36 PM PDT by devere
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To: Lancey Howard

If Obama wins, we may need the military to step in and save the country.


5 posted on 05/26/2008 9:03:21 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Lancey Howard

Re-enlistments will dramaticaly drop, and resignations of commissions will spike. No one will want to serve leaders that despise them, will send them on “peacekeeper: missions, under fund and poorly supply them and will willingly consider them expendable, in the face of “expedient” surrenders.


6 posted on 05/26/2008 9:06:00 PM PDT by DGHoodini ("I never did believe you much, anyway...")
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To: Lancey Howard; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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8 posted on 05/26/2008 9:07:33 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: devere
According to Admiral “cut and run” Mullins, aren’t his troops all supposed to resign in protest if they don’t like the leadership? It seems the man can’t keep his story straight.

Remember: Mullen is the homo-friendly guy the rats wanted - - and got - - after the cowardly Bush threw Peter Pace under the bus.

9 posted on 05/26/2008 9:09:14 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
Re: "What if a Democrat wins"

I worry if nObama wins!


10 posted on 05/26/2008 9:10:33 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: DGHoodini
Re-enlistments will dramaticaly drop, and resignations of commissions will spike. No one will want to serve leaders that despise them, will send them on “peacekeeper: missions, under fund and poorly supply them and will willingly consider them expendable, in the face of “expedient” surrenders.
11 posted on 05/26/2008 9:10:45 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Why is that annoying asterisk in the search bar ?- wearing out my back space key.)
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To: Lancey Howard; RedRover
"The U.S. military must remain apolitical at all times," wrote Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "It is and must always be a neutral instrument of the state, no matter which party holds sway."

This is only technically correct.

An soldier can campaign for any candidate provided they don't do it in uniform or on government time.

Also, they are free to discuss and share opinions with anyone at any time.

12 posted on 05/26/2008 9:11:09 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Lancey Howard

A clear distinction must be made between being “apolitical” and “staying out of politics”.

This is because our nation is threatened by politicians who are ignorant of the military, foreign policy, and war. For this reason, the Pentagon must create a black program, whose sole purpose is to get military educated congressmen and senators elected. From BOTH parties.

It is just as important to do this to keep the United States out of unnecessary and ill-conceived wars, as it is to prevent cuts in critical defense apparatus leaving America at risk of enemy attack.

For this reason, veterans who are selected to run for office must be under strict rules. They must generally follow the party line of whatever party they belong, *except* when critical decisions are made about US defense policy. They must be seen as loyal partisans.

They also must do so in a coordinated manner, to multiply their effectiveness. But this means that their actions must be invisible to intelligence agencies and others who would strongly object and compromise their positions.

This is not done for frivolous reasons, but to fulfill the military oath to protect and defend the United States against its enemies.

In this case, political ignorance has become a dangerous foe.


13 posted on 05/26/2008 9:14:21 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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I say again: Admiral Mullen is reminded of the oath he took, just as I did 40 years ago this month, to protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It is possible that the next president, as well as the speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader, will be an enemy of the Constitution. As an American citizen I will expect the admiral and those in his command to honor the oath if necessary.


14 posted on 05/26/2008 9:18:16 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Leaving the top of my ballot blank.)
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To: Lancey Howard

if a dem wins we are all $&@*## clear on that?


15 posted on 05/26/2008 9:18:26 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Lancey Howard

Make a deal. The military stays out of politics and the Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) lets ALL military votes count this time. OK? Deal, Rats?


16 posted on 05/26/2008 9:20:13 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Bender2

Ha! That’s an awesome poster!


17 posted on 05/26/2008 9:27:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DGHoodini
Re-enlistments will dramaticaly drop, and resignations of commissions will spike.

Absolutely correct. Plus, some Marines and soldiers would likely find a way to get discharged early ("Bad back", "I'm a homo", whatever) rather than serve under an Obama or a Hillary.

No one will want to serve leaders that despise them, will send them on “peacekeeper: missions, under fund and poorly supply them and will willingly consider them expendable, in the face of “expedient” surrenders.

Don't forget the Clinton mindset - - picking up the trash in Haiti, and missions with no bullets and no support ("Blackhawk Down").

18 posted on 05/26/2008 9:32:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

***Mullen warns military: stay out of politics ****

We were told the same thing in 1968. I think it was because to many autos on base had GEORGE WALLACE for PRESIDENT bumper stickers on them.


20 posted on 05/26/2008 9:37:25 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: balch3

***If Obama wins, we may need the military to step in and save the country.***

I was worried about this during the first Clinton presidency. Now I have to sweat it out again.


21 posted on 05/26/2008 9:39:18 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: DGHoodini

*Re-enlistments will dramaticaly drop, and resignations of commissions will spike. No one will want to serve leaders that despise them*

This is exactly what the anti war Liberals and Libertarians
want.
Our Military deserve better.


22 posted on 05/26/2008 9:47:34 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Lancey Howard
Feel free to pass it and others on my FR homepage on!


23 posted on 05/26/2008 9:47:34 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: clintonh8r

Very well stated.
BUMP what you said.


25 posted on 05/26/2008 9:50:20 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Just in case Obama is elected, concentrate on these images:

It will make the transition easier, just in case.

26 posted on 05/26/2008 9:50:45 PM PDT by skeptoid (AA, UE, MBS [with oak leaf clusters])
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To: balch3

“If Obama wins, we may need the military to step in and save the country”

No sir...if 5000 assclowns can give them a hard time in Iraq...what can 60 million assclowns do?

All we need them to do Is stand by their oath....even if it means staying out of the way for a week or two...

hey...just sayin...


27 posted on 05/26/2008 10:08:19 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Bender2

Excellent graphics! Good man, and WELL done!


28 posted on 05/26/2008 10:27:35 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Lancey Howard
"The U.S. military must remain apolitical at all times," wrote Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "It is and must always be a neutral instrument of the state, no matter which party holds sway."

What a bullshit response. And this guy is supposed to be an Admiral? Hey Admiral, why don't you just tell them which way to vote?

They can do just about anything they like to get their candidate elected. As long as they don't do it in uniform. This "Admiral" may was well just tell them the First Amendment doesn't apply if you are in uniform. Putz.

29 posted on 05/26/2008 10:27:47 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy is the finest collection of hops and barley money can buy)
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To: Lancey Howard

I am more worried about Mccain winning, because he will do exactly what obama will do only slower most republicans will roll over and say well he is our guy and we kept obama out. I really aint scared of eithe one of them, however I am prepared for hardship, I’d rather have obama. It would be like scab, with mccain you just pick at it, obama you go an rip the thing off, it hurts like hell but you are over and done with it.


30 posted on 05/26/2008 10:29:53 PM PDT by Liberty2007 (Obama,Osama or Chelsea's mama.(they are all bad)
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To: DGHoodini

My daughters have said that they will not re-enlist in such a case.


31 posted on 05/26/2008 10:30:25 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (I'd rather be single than wish I was.)
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To: xzins
God give them the strength, Chaplin.

I remember when politics meant nothing to me and found out the headway what it could do to me.
32 posted on 05/26/2008 10:35:19 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: Lancey Howard
"The Democrats want with all their might to send America down the liberal socialist toilet, and that cannot be allowed to happen."

Tell me about it! I live in a Liberal cesspool of a city in Oregon (Ashland, for the curious), a small city completely in the toilet for BHO, and every year before Memorial Day some folks go down the main street and fill the flag holders on the meridian lamposts with rocks and glue to keep the city from placing flags in them.

Except this year - they didn't have to. Why? Because the city didn't fly a single flag anywhere in the city - only the Fire Department had a proud American flag flapping in the wind. Only the Fire Department - on Memorial Day!

I took pictures of the empty flag holders, and the flag-less sight both up and down the Blvd., but I used my 35mm and so have to wait for the film to develop, otherwise I'd be posting them here.

33 posted on 05/26/2008 10:37:48 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: All

Well at least we know our troops won’t have to serve under “Her Majesty”. Last time the Clintons were in the WH, our soldiers were treated like waiters.

I was watching President Bush at the Memorial Day services today and was thinking that this time next year, McCain will be handling this and what a great picture that will be. A former POW, now commander in chief speaking to his troops.


34 posted on 05/26/2008 10:39:13 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (Rush wouldn't lift a finger to help Fred or Duncan, yet he shills for Hillary. Rush is a fat idiot.)
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To: DGHoodini

“Re-enlistments will dramaticaly drop, and resignations of commissions will spike. No one will want to serve leaders that despise them, will send them on “peacekeeper: missions, under fund and poorly supply them and will willingly consider them expendable, in the face of “expedient” surrenders.”

This didn’t happen under Clinton. In fact, the entire present military leadership prospered under Clinton.

The military had to throw people out of the service so they could maintain capability with reduced budgets.

Oh, and food for thought - none of the present military leadership resigned under Clinton.


35 posted on 05/26/2008 10:42:38 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Liberty2007
I am more worried about Mccain winning

Than Obama? Are you insane?
I'm certainly no fan of McCain, but when it comes to the military there is no comparison between those two with regard to impact on morale and readiness.

36 posted on 05/26/2008 10:56:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: matthew fuller

The Democrats don’t care about the war or any other issue peripheral to their agenda of turning America into a French-style, secular-socialist welfare state, except insofar as an issue can be spun for political advantage. Their ultimate (and ultimately unreachable) goal is to finally create what old-time Austrian economists called “the socialist man”, and a society in which all men will ALWAYS put the good of the community (or “village”) ahead of their own welfare.

And, of course, the reason the Democrats have relentlessly pursued this agenda (since FDR) is because it is their means to the selfish end of attaining and keeping political office. (There’s sure a lot of perks, power, and priviledge that comes with high elective office, you betcha!) The Democrats are pushers of the drug known as “government” and they naturally want to create as many addicts (”base voters”) as possible.

Unfortunately for this once great nation, they have been winning (oh-so-gradually, but surely winning) for quite some time now.


38 posted on 05/26/2008 11:10:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

like i said I’d rather pay the price upfront(obama) then just wittle away with Mccain. Most people arent willing for hardship face it folks there is going to be hardship with either one, mccain will just do it slower. Mccain is the warm pot of water us frogs are in.
///not voting for obama or mccain.


39 posted on 05/26/2008 11:14:56 PM PDT by Liberty2007 (Obama,Osama or Chelsea's mama.(they are all bad)
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To: the anti-liberal

I suggest you try something a little more anti-liberal than taking pictures next time ;^)

PROTEST RALLY to fly American Flags on FLAG DAY - San Bernardino City Council won’t!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647451/posts

After Action Report—San Bernardino City Hall Flag Day Protest Rally
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1649805/posts


40 posted on 05/26/2008 11:20:44 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Thanks for the links.

I suspect I was the only resident to have even noticed the lack of flags.

But privately, when I think of those people snooping around at night filling those flag holders with rocks and glue, I imagine myself perched quietly, in a dark place, with a

41 posted on 05/26/2008 11:36:33 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: the anti-liberal

No need for even imagining that, of course and I assure you there are many, particularly among the older folks and the churched, who crave—LONG—for someone like you to take a stand and put up flags.

Find you some friends locally and play Take Back Iwo Jima!

Go Christmas Caroling on Flag Day, with patriotic songs...

Have some fun.


42 posted on 05/26/2008 11:43:03 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: ccmay
Of course, if Obama refuses to leave office when his term expires, I would certainly expect the military to lead a restoration of Constitutional government, but that is an entirely different question.

Not really. A Constitutional violation is a constitutional violation, whether of Amendments XX and XXII, (Date of President taking/leaving office and term limits) or some other section. Such as several of the first 10 amendments, including the 10th itself.

That said, failure to yield power as required makes a pretty good line in the sand. Even if it comes after much damage has been done.

43 posted on 05/26/2008 11:52:44 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
Last time the Clintons were in the WH, our soldiers were treated like waiters.

True, but Obama is likely to treat them like scullery maids, garbage men and the guy who cleans out the sewage treatment plant.

44 posted on 05/26/2008 11:57:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
You're right - doing something makes the imagining doing something unnecessary. It's the feeling of not being able to do something that makes such imaginings enticing - frustration.

There must be at least a few sane folks in this town - maybe I can find them...

And thanks for the suggestions!

45 posted on 05/26/2008 11:58:37 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: ccmay
We have survived worse than Obama in this country, and will again.

We NEVER had someone worse than what Obama promises to be. Carter and Clinton are uber-patriots in comparison. The babbling fool Carter brought us the Islamic regimes in the Middle East, Clinton's policies brought us 9/11. Thousands of Americans died for these two idiots blunders. Don't try to imagine what Obama, who will disarm the USA military and citizen, will get us. Accepting Obama is America's death wish. Terror and death will come in the form of terrorism emboldened like never before and a victory of the culture of abortion, crime and immorality at home.

Never ever accept Obama.

46 posted on 05/27/2008 12:20:39 AM PDT by SolidWood (Refusal to vote for McCain is active support of Obama. Period.)
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To: El Gato

The very thought of a Marine saluting Obama makes my stomach twist into a knot.


47 posted on 05/27/2008 12:23:44 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: El Gato

True, but Obama is likely to treat them like scullery maids, garbage men and the guy who cleans out the sewage treatment plant.
~~~
Some folks can make your SEWER run Backwards!...LOL;0)

Baaad Dream!...;0)


48 posted on 05/27/2008 12:36:49 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Lancey Howard

Well, I hope he meant that they couldn’t actively campaign, but that they should exercise their right to vote!


49 posted on 05/27/2008 1:11:54 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Lancey Howard

They should give him the same salute Yobomba gives the flag - the Bronx salute.


50 posted on 05/27/2008 1:41:39 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org freeevanvela.com)
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