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West Point Songs May Be Going Gender-Neutral
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Posted on 05/27/2008 1:32:17 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

West Point Songs May Be Going Gender-Neutral

Tuesday, May 27, 2008 AP

As graduation ceremonies kick off this week at America’s oldest military academy, one of its most venerable traditions may be set to get a major face-lift.

West Point superintendent, Lt. Gen. Franklin “Buster” Hagenbeck, wants to make the academy’s most beloved songs gender-neutral.

The academy’s "Alma Mater" and its companion piece, “The Corps,” — a tradition for nearly 100 years — refer to the "sons” of the academy. Every graduating class since 1911has sung these songs, despite West Point going coed more than 30 years. Women were first admitted into the elite officer-training program in 1976, and more than 3,000 have since graduated to serve as Army officers.

Hagenbeck plans to switch the masculine words with more gender-neutral synonyms. “The men” would be changed to “the ranks,” and “we sons” would become “the Corps.”

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I give up..........
1 posted on 05/27/2008 1:32:18 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Good frickin grief. Somebody bitch slap some sense into this clown.


2 posted on 05/27/2008 1:34:21 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

When women go into combat without the help of men - then we should change the songs.


3 posted on 05/27/2008 1:34:45 PM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’m Johnny Gung Ho
I double-time wherever I go
Dah dah dee dee dum de dum
dee dum dah dum dee dee
I go to chapel twice of Sunday


4 posted on 05/27/2008 1:36:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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Some female cadets object to the change and say they don’t want to come off as “whiners.” But Hagenbeck said the reason for the change isn't coming from the female cadets, and is instead a commonsense move to change with the times, considering the role women play in today's military.

Sounds like the women don't even want this. Hagenbeck's definition of "commonsense" must be different than mine.

5 posted on 05/27/2008 1:40:33 PM PDT by Elvina (I am not wearing a burkha.)
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To: BenLurkin
Oops.

Should be "twice on Sunday"

6 posted on 05/27/2008 1:41:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Sub-Driver
Methinks it's time for “Buster” to retire.

In the middle of two wars and this glorified bureaucrat is worried about offending someone in a song.

Time for this joker to get his priorities straight and concentrate on turning out top flight officers to lead our wonderful troops in the future. We owe it to them.

Let's waste time on this nonsensical Horsesh** instead.

7 posted on 05/27/2008 1:42:59 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: pissant

Not a surprise at all considering it’s coming out of Hagnback’s mouth.


8 posted on 05/27/2008 1:45:39 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: Sub-Driver

“I give up..........”

I’m getting there.


9 posted on 05/27/2008 1:47:40 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Sub-Driver
For a long time now when I watch movies or TV I inject my own dialogs, plot twists and endings. If I didn't I would never watching anything because the Leftist controlled media sucks that bad. I tell my wife: now this is how the movie really ended...

They can never change the song in your mind.

10 posted on 05/27/2008 1:48:09 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Blessed are the blessed)
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To: Sub-Driver

For crying out loud. What next??


11 posted on 05/27/2008 1:52:04 PM PDT by Old Grumpy
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Some female cadets object to the change and say they don’t want to come off as “whiners.”

This says it all. The PC Police are not really interested in advancing the interests of those individuals within the groups that they have identified as victims. Rather, they are merely interested in sticking it to those who represent established norms.

When the hippies and the far-left activists of the '60s railed against The Establishment, they at least had a clearer and purer vision of what they opposed than today's politically correct crowd does.

12 posted on 05/27/2008 1:56:05 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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Sounds like the women don't even want this. Hagenbeck's definition of "commonsense" must be different than mine.,/I>

ahhh people ... once the dye has been cast onto the water, there's no turning back in spite of what some female West Point say ... it will be changed.

13 posted on 05/27/2008 1:59:25 PM PDT by BluH2o
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Sounds like the women don't even want this. Hagenbeck's definition of "commonsense" must be different than mine.,>

ahhh people ... once the dye has been cast onto the water, there's no turning back in spite of what some female West Point say ... it will be changed.

oops!

14 posted on 05/27/2008 2:01:12 PM PDT by BluH2o
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They tried to do that when I was a cadet.

We learned them the old way, but the classes coming right before I graduated were learning the PC versions.

I thought the emasculation of espirit de corp was a done deal.

It will always be true that for almost 200 years the heroes from the academy were men. No one will be tricked into thinking the reputation of the corps was earned by anyone but men.

Women are not warriors. Never will be. Never should be.
West Point is designed to produce warriors.


15 posted on 05/27/2008 2:02:03 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: BluH2o

Out Brave old ARMY team
Away from the fray
What is the exit strategy
cause that’s the Brave New World way.


16 posted on 05/27/2008 2:04:00 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Sub-Driver

A great habit that I always engage in that illustrates the absurdity of PC langauge:

Substitute the gender-neutral word no matter what - even when NO ONE uses that term and even when it changes surnames.

My favorite example: former NARAL leader Kate Michelperson, X-people (not X-men), Spiderperson (for spiderman), Wonderperson (for wonderwoman), “I have to go to the joan/john”, etc.


17 posted on 05/27/2008 2:09:20 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: Sub-Driver
How bout "Smack dat Ho"?
18 posted on 05/27/2008 2:09:43 PM PDT by stravinskyrules (Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don't like, it's always by Villa-Lobos?)
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To: massgopguy

A favorite football slogan around Army-Navy game day, “Shoot the seamen”, would become “Shoot the seapeople”.


19 posted on 05/27/2008 2:10:58 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: Sub-Driver

West Point Songs May Be Going Gender-Neutral...

don’t worry ~ britney spears is going to sing it!!!!


20 posted on 05/27/2008 3:07:39 PM PDT by nyyankeefan
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