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1 posted on 05/28/2008 10:00:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Learning the Lesson of Islamist Appeasement: The Barbary Pirates

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Michael Weiss recounts the experience the Founding Fathers had with the Barbary Pirates in this PJM article. I'm sure most of you know the story of how the North African states extorted Western countries based upon Islamist principles, but it's important to remind ourselves that the Islamist war against the West (and everyone for that matter) is not a new one.

What I find interesting in the article is that in the early years of the Republic we actually did negotiate with the petty Islamist rulers of North Africa. In fact, one year we paid nearly 20% of the national budget as tribute in return for promises that US shipping would be left alone. The attacks didn't stop, of course. For as soon as we paid off one tyrant others demanded the same. Lesson learned?

2 posted on 05/28/2008 10:03:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"To the shores of Tripoli".

Or Tehran, as the case may be.

3 posted on 05/28/2008 10:04:16 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Knowing my fondness for the Founders, my (Liberal) family members used to ask me if the the Founders would have done such a thing. I get to tell them, "Yes, and the DID". Then I tell them about the barbary pirates, and our first military excursion beyond our shores.

Ya think Oliver Stone would make a movie about this?

4 posted on 05/28/2008 10:10:22 AM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Terrorism in Early America
The U.S. Wages War Against the Barbary States to End International Blackmail and Terrorism
by Thomas Jewett
5 posted on 05/28/2008 10:12:17 AM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Amazing how history repeats itself. But the real Americans, like Adams and Jefferson, unlike the FAUX AMERICANS that have infested Washington, knew that FREEDOM IS NOT FREE — IT MUST BE FOUGHT FOR, as our freedom was.

Appeasers are coming at us from every direction.


6 posted on 05/28/2008 10:14:21 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What I find interesting - and maybe one of your links mentions it - is that this episode puts the Treaty of Tripoli in context. This treaty is often cited by secularists as being a definitive statement about ‘separation of church and state” because it contains a passage that America is not founded on the Christian religion. No matter what influenced America’s founding, reliance on this passage in the treaty would be about as misplaced as citing a modern-day hostage video as proof of certain facts. The pirates were taking our sailors hostage and demanding tribute. The US was not the military might it is today. So a treaty was signed, which the pirates violated, causing the US to use force.

Far from conclusively proving America’s totally secular nature, it’s evidence that radicals in that hare of the world have been a problem for the US just about since its inception.


7 posted on 05/28/2008 10:20:21 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Good and appropriate parallel. But why is the date for the Barbary Pirates so far out of date? It was 1805 that Congress passed authority for President Jefferson to "use military force" and do so "across international boundaries." The language was nearly identical to that used by Congress in 2001 for President Bush to go after the current crop of Muslim terrorists.

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9 posted on 05/28/2008 10:24:33 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have posted a number of times on free republic concerning how the current war in Iraq has many parrallels to the Barbary Pirate Wars. Specifically that it was a war protecting our trade (free flow of oil), the Congress authorized the use of force against this confederation of states. Most importantly, it was conducted by a President who was a founding father (Jefferson) and many in the Congress were founders who signed the Constitution and voted on the BOR. This example clearly tells us that the majority of the founding fathers would not have had a problem with this current war. In fact, I think people like Jefferson would have seen the need for it.


14 posted on 05/28/2008 10:32:58 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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Discussing the History of appeasement and the Barbary Pirates.


17 posted on 05/28/2008 10:39:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks

Hitchens on Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_urbanities-thomas_jefferson.html


20 posted on 05/28/2008 11:05:24 AM PDT by dervish (Why is the post-racial candidate drawing 90+ percent of the Black vote?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We went over there and kicked their butts.


26 posted on 05/28/2008 11:47:03 AM PDT by wastedyears (Like a bat outta Hell.)
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30 posted on 05/28/2008 12:01:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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America's First War on Terror

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Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, then serving as American ambassadors to France and Britain, respectively, met in 1786 in London with the Tripolitan Ambassador to Britain, Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja. These future American presidents were attempting to negotiate a peace treaty which would spare the United States the ravages of jihad piracy—murder, enslavement (with ransoming for redemption), and expropriation of valuable commercial assets—emanating from the Barbary states (modern Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya, known collectively in Arabic as the Maghrib). During their discussions, they questioned Ambassador Adja as to the source of the unprovoked animus directed at the nascent United States republic. Jefferson and Adams, in their subsequent report to the Continental Congress, recorded the Tripolitan Ambassador’s justification:

… that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.

35 posted on 05/28/2008 12:36:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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37 posted on 05/28/2008 12:37:44 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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42 posted on 05/28/2008 1:02:48 PM PDT by sneakers (Liberty is the answer to the human condition.)
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44 posted on 05/28/2008 2:23:51 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
When the Founding Fathers Faced Islamists

Our modern spineless pols response: diplomacy, dialogue, and endless talking. Our Founding Fathers' response: set their asses on fire while they're in dock.
45 posted on 05/28/2008 2:39:47 PM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
No mention of the Barbary Wars would be complete without a reference to Stephen Decatur:

Given command of the brig Argus in 1803, he took it to the Mediterranean for service in the First Barbary War against Tripoli. Once in the combat zone, Lieutenant Decatur commanded the schooner Enterprise and, on 23 December 1803, captured the enemy ketch Mastico. That vessel, taken into the U.S. Navy under the name Intrepid, was used by Decatur on 16 February 1804 to execute a night raid into Tripoli harbor to destroy the former U.S. frigate Philadelphia, which had been captured after running aground at the end of October 1803. Admiral Lord Nelson is said to have called this "the most bold and daring act of the age".

This daring and extremely successful operation made Lieutenant Decatur an immediate national hero, a status that was enhanced by his courageous conduct during the 3 August 1804 bombardment of Tripoli. In that action, he led his men in hand-to-hand fighting while boarding and capturing an enemy gunboat. Decatur was subsequently promoted to the rank of Captain, and over the next eight years had command of several frigates.

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46 posted on 05/28/2008 2:49:34 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Random tidbit on the subject...The sword on the Marines’ uniforms is a representation of the sword presented to the US by Egypt as a gift for driving the Barbary Pirates out of the Mediterranean.


47 posted on 05/28/2008 3:04:40 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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