Posted on 05/29/2008 11:42:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
“Don’t blame me when you field crap and I don’t salute it.”
McCain has platform positions on about 15 issues. Which ones are “crap” to you?
The primary system probably should be revamped but we have to be careful. If you put too many states together it would have the effect of eliminating low budget candidates. This time it would have been only McCain, Romney and Giuliani competing.
Reagan was nominated with the same system we have now. It knocks out the conservatives that are not acceptable to the country at large. That, at the expense of pure conservative or regional candidates.
Thompson siphoned off conservative votes from Huckabee (I'm no Huckabee fan, btw) so that McCain could win the primary. He was nothing more than a shill for McCain.
Look at your freakin’ tagline, 98% of the anti-McCain movement is about immigration. And you want know something, if you just admitted that you couldn't support McCain due to that most people would understand. But you all go off into this Twilight Zone of how letting obama win the WH is going to usher in some grand ascendancy for conservatism somewhere down the road.
What a bunch of rationalized crap.
So you’re saying the system worked, even if we ended up with a candidate that didn’t meet the ideological purity test?
My preferred candidate was Duncan Hunter (although he never scratched out more than a couple of percentage points). But I am/was open to more than just a single candidate...but that candidate would need to actually espouse and have a track record of being an actual conservative. I notice that you haven't once tried to claim McCain is a conservative (which I believe may be attributed to your honesty).
What have you done in every other election because bro, my personal candidate hasn’t won since Ronnie, but you don’t see me stamping me feet and holding my breath.
It's been 20 years since Reagan was president...and by your own admission the republicans haven't fielded a candidate you liked. So am I to believe there wasn't any viable conservative candidates for the last 2 decades? Or is it that the republican party is no longer the party of conservatives? Logic dictates the latter. I'm sick of holding my nose and voting for the lesser evil. No more evil for me please. If wanting a viable candidate is stomping one's feet...then maybe it's last past time for conservatives to collectively stamp their feet...and loud enough for the republican party to hear it.
Crappy candidate, not issues...in my opinion.
“But, as you say, a successful third party will not remain a third party, it will replace the Republican Party”
And once they replace it they will become as corrupt as the pubs were because that’s the way the system works.
So you agree with him on his issues. What makes him a “crappy” candidate?
They’ve put their foot down about McCain.
Don’t expect ANY other logic or discussion about it. The sooner you realize that and disregard the McCain haters, the soon we can go forward.
Not true...but while you're on the topic, yes, I"m against slavery, discarding US soverignty and throwing out the rule of law. You're not concerned wit those issues?
Who cares that McCain is committed to winning the war in Iraq, who cares that he is committed to fighting jihad worldwide, who cares that he is for small government and low taxes.
Those are his best points.
Look at your freakin’ tagline, 98% of the anti-McCain movement is about immigration. And you want know something, if you just admitted that you couldn't support McCain due to that most people would understand.
So what's the source of your statistic? Just fabricated, right? Shamesty is ONE of my issues with McCain..and it's important. Listen, as I see it, McCain AND Obama are going to destroy the country. It's like having your house burn down...so with McCain the mortgage was paid down a bit more and and the furniture was nicer...but either way the house is going to burn down. So what does it matter that the furniture was nicer when it's all cinders?
But you all go off into this Twilight Zone of how letting obama win the WH is going to usher in some grand ascendancy for conservatism somewhere down the road.
I've never said this...this is your strawman...not my claim. I am simply stating that if the republican want the votes of conservatives it might be a smart idea to maybe run one as a candidate.
What a bunch of rationalized crap.
You're talking about your strawman...so pardon me if I ignore this bit.
I am astounded that some would label Hagel a RINO. He is the origional Republican. There is a deep streak of midwestern isolationism inherent in his votes but it is not born of the left. It may ally itself with the left at times but it is completely different, influenced more by religion than politics.
That is how different the Republican Party is. It is difficult to pull everyone together and no one can have everything that they want. If the one issue voters think that they are going to scuttle the Republican ticket this year and walk back in in four years and dictate the candidate of their choosing, they are very wrong. Duncan Hunter would get no more votes four years from now than he did this year.
Don't argue like a liberal. Firstly, I don't "hate" McCain. So you're attempting to demonize me because I'm being honest. Sorry of the truth offends you. And you are welcome to go forward voting for your RINOs...just don't expect conservatives to be happy about the results of your move "forward".
I think the mistake third parties make is that they form and go for the “big one” too quickly. They need to concentrate on lower elections first...say congress or state houses first taking time to begin to build a consensus
in the general populous. A fifty to 75 vote strong block of non aligned congressmen in the congress for example could really act as a strong fulcrum between republicans and Dem’s...despite the efforts of both parties to crush the interlopers. Eventually, with rough parity between Repubs and Dem’s, they would eventually have to deal with the non aligned block to get any meaningful legislation passed.
Even God sits in the space between the two opposing cherubim on the Ark; a strong non aligned block of third partied congressmen could also act as an ameliorating force between the two main parties. Eventually you work towards extending such a block in the senate...7 to 10 should be sufficient.
Such legislators should be strong in constitutional knowledge and strong in the knowledge of our nation’s founding heritage. They should be able to resist the temptations towards extra constitutionality in both the socialist and ultra conservative hotheads’ notions.
Would such men be villified and ignored at first by the established brokers in DC? Certainly....until their votes were needed on important legislation. Then at such times would these men act to truly preserve our union and constitution !
So for a true third party to thrive, we must start small. It would have been better served that men who gave 19 per cent ot their vote to Perot, had voted instead in such a way to to put 15 per cent of the congress into office who held the same principles as themselves.
Just one congress man from each state would give such a party 50 votes and a fairly stong position in the congress. The congress needs a conscience, a non aligned presence that dwells in the space between the two parties in the house and senate. They would be hated by all, yet like Nicodemous who approached Christ at night, secretly needed by all!
I'm shocked.
"But I am/was open to more than just a single candidate...but that candidate would need to actually espouse and have a track record of being an actual conservative wanting to round up and throw out the wetbacks.
Fixed it.
"I notice that you haven't once tried to claim McCain is a conservative beats up on wetbacks.
Fixed it.
"It's been 20 years since Reagan was president...and by your own admission the republicans haven't fielded a candidate you liked. So am I to believe there wasn't any viable conservative candidates for the last 2 decades?"
I said preferred candidate. As I stated, I am not a one issue vote, you are, so you see candidates in terms of black and white, vote or no vote. That is what makes you weak and a bore.
" Or is it that the republican party is no longer the party of conservatives that beats up on wetbacks"?
Fixed it.
I'm sick of holding my nose and voting for the lesser evil.
I'd estimate that 80% of voters in ANY election are holding their nose, that's how things work in a democracy. What is it that makes you think you're special? Because you stomp your feet and threaten to hold your breath? All that makes you is a child.
If wanting a viable candidate is stomping one's feet...then maybe it's last past time for conservatives to collectively stamp their feet...and loud enough for the republican party to hear it.
Sorry, I'll leave the feet stomping to you kids.
Probably, but first we have to take out the trash.
BUT......
I disagree strongly.
We need a protest vote against McCain for conservatives, and I have two suggestions.
I can NOT ....
McCain may be a non-step forward or back. Maybe a tiny bit worse than Bush.
obama would be so far beyond bad that you can’t compare it.
I’m amazed so many people here wanted Bush over Kerry, when the differences were less then than this election.
Agreed.
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