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I see this type of thing over and over again. A facility has been peacefully going about its business for years or decades, then activist adversarys buy/rent property nearby and use all of our nannystate instituions such as zoning, the enviromental laws, and the litigation explosion to close down the activity that *they* intruded on.
1 posted on 05/30/2008 6:08:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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"Chumas said reorienting the range would provide a safer facility and have less impact on neighbors."

I got a suggestion:
How about if this maroon packs his bags and moves?
The range has been there for 75 years, right?
And these idiots move in next-door and complain???

2 posted on 05/30/2008 6:16:44 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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Penn & Tellers “Bull ****” series eviscerated the Endangered Species Act last night.


3 posted on 05/30/2008 6:18:55 AM PDT by AU72
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To: marktwain
"A facility has been peacefully going about its business for years or decades, then activist adversarys buy/rent property nearby and use all of our nannystate instituions such as zoning, the enviromental laws, and the litigation explosion to close down the activity that *they* intruded on."

Follow the money. I'd bet that somewhere in the bushes there is a developer who would LOVE to get his hands on that 340 acre site. I'm pretty sure that is what is behind the constant drumbeat to close the Gig Harbor gun club. The city has spread out around it, and it sits on a big chunk of highly desirable/developable real estate. The club would move further out, but "NIMBY" prevents that.

My personal take is that every local county should be REQUIRED to establish shooting ranges at public parks. Tacoma has spent BIG BUCKS to build a golf course. Why should the elitists who want to "whack little white balls around" get priority over those who would like to target shoot.

4 posted on 05/30/2008 6:24:25 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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“Chumas said reorienting the range would provide a safer facility and have less impact on neighbors.”

Chumash and the other iditos who moved in after the range was built should re-orient themselves.

But then, New York, Like New Jersey, Massachusetts, Illinois, California and Maryland is no longer part of America, so I know where this will wind up.


6 posted on 05/30/2008 6:55:22 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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I handle the web site for our Rod and gun club and I received an E-mail on the morning of one of our largest trap shoots complaining about the noise. A google map showed the guy lived 7 miles away!!!!!

Anyway I mentioned it a board member and he told me I should tell the complainant to call the sheriff and complain — “As soon as the sheriffs son was done shooting!..LOL”

We've been there 55 years - but then again we aren't in PRIME property..and have lot's of VIP’s in club and as honorary members.

7 posted on 05/30/2008 7:03:02 AM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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Maybe it is time to legalize suppressors or silencers they are sometimes called. That would solve the problem.


8 posted on 05/30/2008 7:06:41 AM PDT by OldEagle
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You see the same thing with agriculture. Houses get close to a farm, people complain about odors and sound, use the legal system, and if all goes well, there’s 350 acres more development, more houses, near another farm, or range, or whatever.

Maybe the range should look into an environmental easement or whatever it’s called, so that the land can’t be developed.


10 posted on 05/30/2008 7:13:30 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Link by link the chain is forged.

In regards to the availability of shooting lands, the RKBA loses more ground each and every year.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

13 posted on 05/30/2008 7:27:17 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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“I see this type of thing over and over again”
....exactly!...this is a classic case....many gun clubs were formed years ago....they went way out of town and bought worn out farm land for cheap....built their club and ranges and were happy.....but over time growth and development slowly crept their way and before you know it they’re considered a “nuisance”....revenue hungry pols know if they can shut the club down they will get more taxes when the land is developed.


18 posted on 05/30/2008 7:43:27 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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What can be speculated and surmised regarding the comments of Spero Chumas, if it is the same person believed he is? He seems to basically be an actor wannabe that has had some very minor and unrecognized roles and an association with a mediocre, at best, improvisational acting group. It might be helpful to look at the matter from the view point of an unsuccessful individual in terms of his own life goals. It may be that at best such as he can only rationalize minor successes in the acting and theater community, and is seeking some degree of notoriety and recognition due to a failing self image. Perhaps unable to succeed in legitimate stage drama, he seeks and creates a dramatic scenario to play out in a public forum. There he seems to be expressing some views beyond his experience, and a rather weak BA in acting. For his own benefit, it might be prudent to question if Mr. Chamus has had any counseling, for what may appear to be problems related more to self esteem and image, than any authentic or well founded grievances with the gun club.

Perhaps it would be best for all involved if Mr. Chumas would restrict these feelings of frustration and impotence to expressions acted out in interpretive dance.

For your benefit a Playback Theater group (actually two) is across the river from you Spero. Maybe brushing up on the Moreno perspective of acting as therapy would be helpful in sorting out your real issues. No, seriously. I feel your pain.

With regard to established noise: should the issue Mr. Chamus brings up be expanded to ridding neighborhoods of other intermittent nose makers, such as firehouses and churches that sound bells and chimes? What about that damned rooster at the many generations old family farm way down the road? Heaven forbid neighbors mow their lawn, or tend to landscaping with any frequency. By the way, I can hear the New York State Thruway traffic from my yard. Can we possibly look at having the south bound lane reoriented?

The Freeman article seems a little vague. Is this a landowner in the region or a renter? Some other facts are debatable. How did that get by editorial staff at the Freeman? Never mind. What was I thinking? After all it’s the Freeman editorial staff we are talking about. Even their own writers have voiced problems.


35 posted on 06/02/2008 6:50:14 AM PDT by alottanerve (Oh poor Spero!)
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