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The new accessory: weapons, openly carried
Crosscut ^ | 6/10/08

Posted on 06/10/2008 3:29:13 PM PDT by XR7

While Seattle worries about concealed weapons,
a new fad in the West is to pack and carry you pistol for all to see...

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How 'bout it FReepers, any open packers out there?
1 posted on 06/10/2008 3:29:14 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

On occasion I open carry, most often in the warmer months when concealed is just uncomfortable.


2 posted on 06/10/2008 3:30:33 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: XR7

At times. Depends on what I am wearing and where I am going. usually I find it less hassle to stay CCW - less stares and glares. Not that I care, but why generate drama when I don’t need to?


3 posted on 06/10/2008 3:35:29 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: XR7

I’d love to but I live ultra liberal Maryland. So it sits in my closet under lock and key. I do have two 12 capacity clips ready to roll.


4 posted on 06/10/2008 3:38:02 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: XR7

More info here:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/


5 posted on 06/10/2008 3:40:02 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: XR7

I’ve open carried on occasion while visiting Arizona, more for the experience than anything else. However, I normally prefer to carry concealed there. Living in San Diego, I can’t legally do either in my home state.


6 posted on 06/10/2008 3:40:43 PM PDT by jrp
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To: XR7

I used to open carry when I lived in Yuma, Az. I carried a Ruger 9mm revolver. Although I much pefer a .45 long colt, but could not afford such a beautiful sidearm..

The reason for that is that there was NO gussing that I had a sidearm, and would use it if I had to! I had several years worth of classes on the use of lethal force, while in the MARINE CORPS [10 years,7 months,4 days] & working as armed security officer in St. Louis Mo. [over 12 years] then I carried a Tarus .38 [modeled after the Smith model 10] and all of that time, I had to pull out my sidearm only 3 times & NEVER had to pull the trigger, except on the range 3-4 times a month......


7 posted on 06/10/2008 3:41:56 PM PDT by TMSuchman (American by birth, MARINE by act of GOD!!)
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Concealed only so far - except for back-country or around the ranch.


8 posted on 06/10/2008 3:44:28 PM PDT by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: TMSuchman

A 9mm *REVOLVER*????


9 posted on 06/10/2008 3:49:21 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: XR7

Nichols claims to have the same rights as other property owners, but he doesn’t own the property under his ban, the public does.


10 posted on 06/10/2008 3:52:57 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Truthism Watch)
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To: XR7

I asked about that in No Dak, and the answer from the Game Warden was that if you are out of the city limits, a side arm in a holster was considered a hunting implement. You can carry it around on your belt while looking for a varmint anywhere!


11 posted on 06/10/2008 3:55:06 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (How does it make you feel that the Good Old Boy network stole the nomination from a woman?)
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To: Spktyr

Yup, Ruger used to make one, I think called a Speed Six. You have to use half-moon clips to hold the cartridges. I always thought that was squirrely but apparently it was popular at one time.

I’d like to open-carry but the laws in Texas are very specific, if it ain’t concealed it ain’t legal.


12 posted on 06/10/2008 3:57:19 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (US out of the UN - UN out of the US)
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To: XR7

I have in the past, and will again on occasion. The main drawback is the loss of the element of surprise.


13 posted on 06/10/2008 3:57:46 PM PDT by Southern Partisan ("Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." ----R. E. Lee)
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To: Spktyr
A 9mm *REVOLVER*????

Ever hear of half moon clips?


14 posted on 06/10/2008 3:58:02 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Spktyr

Smith and Wesson547 and 940. Taurus makes or made one also.


15 posted on 06/10/2008 3:58:47 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: XR7
Back in the ‘good ol’ days’ before Chablis and Brie libralism hit us here in the west everyone carried. The homicide rate was lower and the streets safer. GTH liberals!
16 posted on 06/10/2008 3:58:49 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Spktyr

I know as silly as it sounds, but yes. It was all that I could afford at the time. I also perfer revolvers, they don’t fail nearly as much as a semiauto, and I really like the way they look and feel in my hands.


17 posted on 06/10/2008 4:00:21 PM PDT by TMSuchman (American by birth, MARINE by act of GOD!!)
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To: jrp
Living in San Diego, I can’t legally do either in my home state.

Au contrare!

Click and read the actual article.
It's about a couple in LA who open carry.
From what I understand, it is legal, your unalienable constitutional right, to openly carry a sidearm anywhere in the United States of America. Just not enough FReepers doing it, so it seems unusual. But it is completely legal, and you don't need any special permit to do so, as you would with a concealed weapon. So, let's strap one on!

18 posted on 06/10/2008 4:02:52 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

My idea at the office for a “wear your gun to work day” didn’t really get much support. :-)

When I carry I prefer to carry concealed. Partly for the tactical advantage, and partly because I don’t wish to make people uncomfortable around me. It’s better if they just never know.


19 posted on 06/10/2008 4:05:03 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Southern Partisan
I have in the past, and will again on occasion. The main drawback is the loss of the element of surprise.

Yeah.
So perps will mess with a more vulnerable looking target instead of you.
The message you send is: "Mess with me and SURPRISE - you will be blasted full of lead.
Let 'em know up front.
No surprises.

20 posted on 06/10/2008 4:06:42 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7
I don’t wish to make people uncomfortable around me.Sad indictment of our society that has accepted the disarmament of law-abiding citizens as "normal" and desired.
In the crime-infested hellholes of some of our once great cities, I'd feel great COMFORT having a law-abiding friend around with a large "peacemaker" strapped to his/her side.
21 posted on 06/10/2008 4:10:09 PM PDT by XR7
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To: PeterPrinciple

Thank you for that source.

According to that site Texans can open carry a pre 1898
pistol or replica that does not use rim or center fire
shells.

I was looking for a reason to buy a LeMat replica 9 shot.

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Confederate serviceman a considerable edge over his
adversary.
The most awesome hand held firing weapon ever produced,
this revolver has been re-created by Navy Arms Company
for the collector, historian and shooter.
The Le Mat features all steel construction with a highly
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Bbl. length: 6 3/4”; O.A.L. 13 1/2”; Weight: 3 lbs. 7 oz.;
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22 posted on 06/10/2008 4:10:10 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (McCain will send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Move to New Mexico, our open carry laws are absolute.

Waiting for Sante Fe to screw it up, as Californians are taking over our state.


23 posted on 06/10/2008 4:10:14 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (McCain is the best candidate of the Democrat party.)
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To: XR7

“From what I understand, it is legal, your unalienable constitutional right, to openly carry a sidearm anywhere in the United States of America.”

I agree with you.

The courts, however, do not at this time.


24 posted on 06/10/2008 4:11:32 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (McCain is the best candidate of the Democrat party.)
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To: XR7
The message you send is: "Mess with me and SURPRISE - you will be blasted full of lead. Let 'em know up front. No surprises.

Or the perp goes after you first and you have no time to react.

25 posted on 06/10/2008 4:14:01 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Personal Methane Reclamation: Break wind for energy independence!)
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To: All
Strap one on!

The categories are defined as follows:

Permissive Open Carry States - A state has passed full preemption of all firearms laws. They permit open carry to all non-prohibited citizens without permit or license. Also open carry is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle.

Licensed Open Carry States - A state has passed full preemption of all firearms laws. They also permit open carry to all non-prohibited citizens once they have been issued a permit or license. Also open carry is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle.

Anomalous Open Carry States - In these states, open carry is generally lawful, but the state may lack preemption or there may be other significant restrictions.

Non-Permissive Open Carry States - In these states, open carry is not lawful, or is only lawful under a limited set of circumstances, such as when hunting, or while traveling to/from hunting locations, or for lawful self-defense.

As the map shows, seven states and the District of Columbia fully prohibit the open carry of firearms. Additionally, there are eleven states which permit open carry without requiring the citizen to apply for any permit or license.

Disclaimer: While state law may not prohibit the open carry of loaded firearms, it is not uncommon for law enforcement to be unaware of this fact. Especially in states with highly restrictive laws regarding firearms ownership, open carry, even though legal, could result in serious negative consequences.


26 posted on 06/10/2008 4:18:29 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

I open carry occasionally, I prefer the surprise effect if the need ever arises. The way I carry concealed is more comfortable than open carry.


27 posted on 06/10/2008 4:21:26 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: West Texas Chuck
Yup, Ruger used to make one, I think called a Speed Six. You have to use half-moon clips to hold the cartridges. I always thought that was squirrely but apparently it was popular at one time.

Not only did they make a 9 with half moon clips the original half moon clips were made for the .45 ACP to be loaded in a revolver. They are actually pretty easy to use and pre-date speed loaders for revolvers. Lots of Webly revolvers originally chambered for .455 were sold here in the US during the 50s and 60s chambered for .45 ACP with half moon clips.

28 posted on 06/10/2008 4:21:57 PM PDT by calex59
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To: jrp

In California if you live in a county with less than 100,000 people you can carry openly. Used to be you could carry anywhere. Also, if you are fishing, anywhere in CA, you can carry concealed without a CCW.


29 posted on 06/10/2008 4:23:41 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Future Snake Eater
Or the perp goes after you first and you have no time to react.

Not too likely.
Very unlikely, in fact.
Perps tend to scope out the defenseless - or those that appear the most vulnerable.
When they see you are packing heat, they assume you know how to use it and will not want to risk being on the business end of a hot barrel.
Too much hassle.
Find an easy mark is the name of the game.
When law-abiding citizens openly carry, or when it is generally understood that every person carries, there is a lot less random one-on-one crime.

If a perp attacks you, don't think the surprise factor is such a great idea.
If you actually blow the perp away, you will have a major court battle on your hands in most jurisdictions.
Better not to even have him attack you in the first place.
If you are openly carrying, chances are greater he will not.

30 posted on 06/10/2008 4:26:12 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7
I plan on doing so as soon as the Galco holster I ordered back in April gets here. My criteria for open carry is Level II retention, something none of my CCW holsters meet. Summer temperatures in Alaska can get into the upper 60’s and even into the 70’s, so it's way too hot to carry CCW comfortably.
31 posted on 06/10/2008 4:27:34 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: XR7

Usually CCW except sometimes around the house. I think it is best not to give too much advance information to a potential attacker.


32 posted on 06/10/2008 4:29:29 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Obama.)
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To: calex59

Sure about the fishing exception?


33 posted on 06/10/2008 4:34:11 PM PDT by DryFly
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To: XR7

I have carried openly on occasion, but prefer to carry my weapons concealed. In warm weather, where light clothing is a necessity, I use a Walther PPK/S in .380 in an inside holster with Winchester Silvertip JHP’s - a light gun with a decent punch. Otherwise, I carry a Springfield XD-9, 16-round mag with +P hollow points and Crimson Trace laser sight.


34 posted on 06/10/2008 4:35:52 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace Is Not The Question.)
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To: DryFly
Sure about the fishing exception?

Extremely sure. Just take a CCW class, or better yet google the laws for CA. It is absolutely true. To and from your car if you are fishing, concealed carry is perfectly legal without CCW in CA. Don't believe it, I couldn't care less, never the less, it is true.

35 posted on 06/10/2008 4:42:10 PM PDT by calex59
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To: XR7

Just try it here in MA.


36 posted on 06/10/2008 4:42:40 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: XR7

This map is pure bullshit. Just try open carry in MA, RI, or CT. You’ll be slapped in jail so fast it will take a minute for your shadow to catch-up with you. You will then be broken by the courts, personally and financially.


37 posted on 06/10/2008 4:45:34 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: XR7

“How ‘bout it FReepers, any open packers out there?”

In Virginia, you can’t carry concealed in a restaurant that serves liquor. But you can carry openly. So in Virginia, open carry isn’t just a good idea, it’s the LAW!

Open carry really isn’t that big of a deal for those of you who are considering it. At first, you think you have a neon sign around your neck, but you soon realize that 2/3 of people don’t even notice and most of the remaining 1/3 don’t care or assume (incorrectly) that you’re a cop.


38 posted on 06/10/2008 4:53:45 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: AzSteven

“Not that I care, but why generate drama when I don’t need to?”

Never had much drama. For the most part, people don’t care. I think it’s wise to OC because of the immunization effect; it gets people used to being around guns in public places.


39 posted on 06/10/2008 4:56:23 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: pabianice

“This map is pure bullshit. Just try open carry in MA, RI, or CT. You’ll be slapped in jail so fast it will take a minute for your shadow to catch-up with you. You will then be broken by the courts, personally and financially.”

I’ll give you the same challenge I used to give my fellow gunnies when OC was less practiced than it is now: cite actual cases.

OC is perfectly legal in some places that you wouldn’t expect it to be. The fact that local gunowners won’t exercise their rights in this regard notwithstanding.


40 posted on 06/10/2008 5:04:18 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: XR7
it is legal, your unalienable constitutional right, to openly carry a sidearm anywhere in the United States of America

Try that in New York, Chicago, Boston, Washington DC, and a hundred other cities in this country and then let us know how that "inalienable constitutional right" turns out.

Once you dig the gravel out from between your front teeth and they take off your cuffs you'll have to use both hands to call an expensive lawyer and open your wallet wide for bail money - if you're lucky enough to be allowed bail.

41 posted on 06/10/2008 5:09:42 PM PDT by Gritty (Horrid mischief would ensue if good people were deprived their use of arms - Thomas Paine)
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To: Gritty

OC is perfectly legal in some places that you wouldn’t expect it to be. NYC and DC are two places where it isn’t currently legal.

There are countless urban legends out there about people who open carry being hassled, arrested, etc. Most of it is exactly that: legend. If you have a legal right to do something, you have a legal right to do it.


42 posted on 06/10/2008 5:29:27 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: mvpel

You might find this article entertaining.


43 posted on 06/10/2008 5:40:10 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat
If you have a legal right to do something, you have a legal right to do it.

Right.

I also have a Constitutional right (1st Amendment) of freedom of speech and petition.

But as an individual, try taking out a specific ad against a federal candidate within 60 days of a federal election and afterward contemplate the size of the fine you're slapped with and how much jail time you can plead away.

You'll need deep pockets and lots of billable lawyer hours to practice those "rights".

44 posted on 06/10/2008 5:51:43 PM PDT by Gritty (When government is drawn to Washington as the center of all power all checks are powerless-Jefferson)
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To: AlaskaErik
Summer temperatures in Alaska can get into the upper 60’s and even into the 70’s, so it's way too hot to carry CCW comfortably.

LOL!!

That's cold here in the summer....

45 posted on 06/10/2008 5:53:22 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Gritty

I fear you missed my point. It is perfectly legal, i.e. not against the law, to openly carry a handgun in many areas where it is not commonly practiced. If you run the ad as you state, you have broken a law. Of course it’s an unconstitutional law, but it is a law.

If people don’t want to practice a right that is perfectly legal to exercise out of some misguided fear that they’re breaking some sort of taboo, that is their prerogative. Silly, but that’s their right.


46 posted on 06/10/2008 6:06:34 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: Gritty

We have John McCain, the supposed Republican nominee for President of the United States of America, to thank for that.


47 posted on 06/10/2008 6:28:28 PM PDT by wastedyears (Like a bat outta Hell.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
If I was going to open carry I would go down to the local PD and sheriffs office, talk with the watch commander and ask him how many of his officers were up to date on what the OC laws is. If he didn't say 100%, then I would ask him to schedule a two minute training lesson at the beginning of each shift until the entire team was informed. Then a week later, I would start open carrying.
48 posted on 06/10/2008 6:43:48 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: Spktyr; West Texas Chuck; Tijeras_Slim

Colt Survivor, Medusa, and a ruger SP101 were made in 9MM......they are great backup guns except for the full size medusa that was a phillips and rogers design that shot every thing from 9mm short, 380 too 38 super, 357 etc ......great little multiple caliber gun !!!!!!


49 posted on 06/10/2008 7:19:01 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: XR7

That ain’t going to work in most cities as it is REALLY against the law to open carry in them.


50 posted on 06/10/2008 7:23:15 PM PDT by Eaker (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to have TheMom kill everyone you meet.)
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