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Cold War myths
The International Herald Tribune ^
| June 13, 2008
| Paul Steege
Posted on 06/13/2008 10:16:15 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
As the 60th anniversary of the Berlin Airlift approaches, recycled myths about its accomplishments drop from the sky like candy into the waiting arms of Americans hungry for a foreign policy alternative to endless war and secret torture.Steege gives the game away in the very first paragraph.
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posted on
06/13/2008 11:53:35 PM PDT
by
metesky
("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
To: Chances Are
reeducation camp
(I B not goin back to skewl!)
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posted on
06/13/2008 11:53:49 PM PDT
by
endthematrix
(Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
To: PAR35
You must allow the “iht” scrip, I keep the others on “forbid”. Works great.
To: neverdem
as usual...America never really achieves anything, is never truly owed any gratitude...
To: JimSEA
"What is this, The Joy of Historical Revision week."Coming to a history book at your high school:
More tomatoes were going from Russia to West Berlin than East.
Doncha know, West Berliners were really being fed by the Commies not Americans. And all the while the United States was negotiating to give East Germany to the Rooskies.
There was Gen. Marshall conniving with Uncle Joe. "If you don't agree to take East Germany, we will continue to fake this air lift propaganda."
yitbos
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posted on
06/14/2008 1:22:15 AM PDT
by
bruinbirdman
("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
To: neverdem
Because 2.3 million tons of supplies is such an ephemeral, insignificant amount of provisions?
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posted on
06/14/2008 2:10:13 AM PDT
by
eclecticEel
(You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.)
To: sinanju
So he goes on to say the West Berliners were also able to deal under-the-table with the Easterners and purchase and barter for what they needed (before the Wall sealed them off thirteen years later) in addition to what came off the planes. So this professor is claiming that market economics, and not a big government program, met the peoples' needs? What a right-wing jerk!
;-)
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posted on
06/14/2008 2:39:49 AM PDT
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: neverdem
The International Herald Tribune is owned, controlled, and operated by the odious NY Slimes.
The propagandist who wrote this, Paul Steege, seems quite irritated that the Berlin Airlift resulted in Freedom winning over Oppression.
But that is typical of the Left.
The historical fact is, the Soviets had to back down and the entire world took notice.
Furthermore, Paul Steege is a red diaper baby who "teaches" at Villanova.
Department of History
Villanova University, 800 Lancaster Avenue, Villanova, PA 19085-1699
tel. 610.519.6963, fax 610.519.4450
paul.steege@villanova.edu
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posted on
06/14/2008 2:52:31 AM PDT
by
SkyPilot
("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
To: sionnsar
Amongst the Democrats and Greens.
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posted on
06/14/2008 3:06:19 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
To: Mr Ramsbotham
“Well, there you have it. Next he’ll say we didn’t really take Normandy on D-day.”
Or better yet...
We shouldn’t have....because it was insensitive to attack w/o negotiating, and bad for the environment...and unnecessary.
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posted on
06/14/2008 3:07:08 AM PDT
by
Keith Brown
(Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
To: neverdem
What a load of crap! The Berlin Airlift was never meant to nor did we ever expect it would supply “all the needs” of Berliners. The idea was to take away the goal of Russia to hold the citizens hostage while the pursued their nefarious goals.
WE wanted to outlast them and we did.
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posted on
06/14/2008 3:07:52 AM PDT
by
lexusppd
To: Nitro
Good advice to any Leftist that still has a bit of patriotism flickering in their small brains is to “google” the ‘Venona intercepts’
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posted on
06/14/2008 4:05:49 AM PDT
by
iopscusa
(El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
To: IncPen
To: SkyPilot
you read the whole story at the link and came to that conclusion?
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posted on
06/14/2008 4:27:45 AM PDT
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: neverdem
In fact, Berlin was a site of Western (and especially American) strength. Even at the height of the blockade, German communists in Berlin repeatedly expressed how they felt besieged in the city. As well they should have. We were already fighting communism even then. We didn't suffer fools and enemy enablers like we do today.
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posted on
06/14/2008 4:30:17 AM PDT
by
Hillarys Gate Cult
(The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
To: neverdem
Steege is an idiot.
1. West Berlin stayed free. The objective of the Soviets was to seize West Berlin, they lost.
2. The airlift demonstrated to the very recently vanquished Berliners that the West would stand by them and not let them fall to the Communists.
3. The airlift demonstrated to the Soviets that their bid for greater hegemony over Europe would be stopped.
People that claim to be historians should study history and apply logic, not make up fantasies - if the West hadn't carried out the airlift and its simultaneously conducted military movements and diplomatic response, Berlin would have fallen, whether the black marketeers were resourceful or not: the Soviets had T-34 tanks - the Berliners didn't.
Villanova's standards seem to have slipped.
To: Nitro
Some smart scholar should have told those dumb Berliners of that day that the USA was of no help when Berliners overwhelmingly expressed profound gratitude to General Lucius Clay and the Americans.
To: FreedomPoster
Amongst the Democrats and Greens. You have that exactly correct!
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posted on
06/14/2008 4:39:31 AM PDT
by
sionnsar
(trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
To: Chinstrap61a
Very well put, and thank you!
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posted on
06/14/2008 4:43:20 AM PDT
by
sionnsar
(trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
To: neverdem
I will guess that this man is a liberal democrat. I say this because liberals don't understand dynamic scoring. They never have and never will. The liberal democrat only believes in lineal progression. So in this fool's mind unless every Berliner was fed and had heating fuel
( presumably even at the end of the operation in June )the operation failed. The enormous value it has in making the choice of sides, either with good or with evil is of course way beyond his understand. These people are always so easy to figure out.
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posted on
06/14/2008 4:49:06 AM PDT
by
jmaroneps37
(Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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