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McCain event canceled over fundraiser's rape 'joke' ("Joke" was 18 years ago...)
Clymer News Network ^ | 6/14/08

Posted on 06/14/2008 8:07:05 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

John McCain has called off a fundraiser at the home of a Texas oilman who joked about rape during a 1990 gubernatorial run in the state.

The Texan, Republican Clayton Williams, made the joke during his failed campaign against Democrat Ann Richards. Williams compared rape to the weather, saying, "As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."

He also compared Richards to the cattle on his ranch, saying he would "head her and hoof her and drag her through the dirt."

Williams' comments made national news at the time and remain easy to find on the Internet. Even so, McCain's campaign said it hadn't known about the remarks.

"These were obviously incredibly offensive remarks that the campaign was unaware of at the time it was scheduled," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said. "It's positive that he did apologize at the time, but the comments are nonetheless offensive."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008electionbias; claytonwilliams; clintonlegacy; clintonsexscandals; macacamoment; mccain; partisanwitchhunt; politicalwitchhunt; rino; soros2008; stalinisttactics
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18 YEARS AGO...and the LUNACY OF JOHN MCCAIN won't let him raise money with the man. Hell, the guy apologized...18 years ago....but the John McNUTS campaign cannot forgive....Forgiveness is never EVER applied to Republicans, even if they apologize at the time...but is ALWAYS applied to Democrats! (see: Klansman Byrd, "Hymie-town" Jesse Jackson or Brothel-sheltering Barney Frank!

Is uh, Howard Dean also in charge of McCain's campaign, too?

1 posted on 06/14/2008 8:07:07 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

NO, NO, John McPain can forgive — Democrats! It’s his so-called “fellow” Republicans that he loathes.


2 posted on 06/14/2008 8:11:14 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Bobby Knight did that joke before this in a 1988 interview with Connie Chung...and he was forgiven...sorta.


3 posted on 06/14/2008 8:11:41 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Poor Claytie, he may be rich, but he has no where else to go but the McPain stables this year.


4 posted on 06/14/2008 8:12:12 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Sorry, but McCain was right here. Those comments are repulsive. McCain is absolutely correct in not associating himself with a piece of sh*t like that.

By the way, the size of your text in the OP is a bit overkill.


5 posted on 06/14/2008 8:12:27 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: Recovering_Democrat

That line was old when it got Tex Antoine canned from WABC TV back in 74.


6 posted on 06/14/2008 8:12:47 PM PDT by Roccus (Kick 'em to the curb!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
You are correct the apologized nearly two decades ago....
Is JM a coward?
7 posted on 06/14/2008 8:13:36 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Didn’t Saint McCain use a derogatory word for Asians in the past. Based on the standards he foists on other people the guy should not run for dog catcher.


8 posted on 06/14/2008 8:13:45 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Recovering_Democrat
If I was as intolerant of a person's words or actions as McCain apparently is, I sure as hell wouldn't be considering a vote for him.
9 posted on 06/14/2008 8:14:19 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

John McCain should recuse himself from the nomination for this joke that he told:

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno.”


10 posted on 06/14/2008 8:16:45 PM PDT by donna ("Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.")
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To: KJC1

The guy apologized for an event that happen nearly two decades ago, how long does a person need to be shunned for an idiot statement?
Now if it was last year well then there might be an issue.


11 posted on 06/14/2008 8:16:54 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Man, I gotta’ tell ya’ . . . not being a McCain supporter myself either, do you expect him to make a stand on principle here? And what principle would that be?


12 posted on 06/14/2008 8:17:12 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Recovering_Democrat

If the size of your font is any indicator of your carbon footprint, Al Gore owns your soul. LOL


13 posted on 06/14/2008 8:17:21 PM PDT by mkjessup (Obama-flakes! = Little suntanned Jimmy Carters with twice the empty rhetoric , from DNC cereals!)
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To: svcw

***Is JM a coward? ***

Try five years of torture and see if YOU’RE a coward.


14 posted on 06/14/2008 8:17:42 PM PDT by kitkat (Over the Hill(ary))
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To: C19fan

I disagree that this counts as hypocrisy.

McCain had unspeakable stuff done to him over the course of many years. Worse than rape. A lot of people, myself included, think that he gets a pass on whatever he wants to call them.


15 posted on 06/14/2008 8:18:17 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: C19fan

Yea, he called the communists Viet Cong - gooks.


16 posted on 06/14/2008 8:18:24 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: KJC1

oH, Bull CRAP. You ever said something offensive? EVER in your life??? Did you apologize? Then John McCain doesn’t want your damn money.

McCain is sucking up to the pressure of the left. If he were halfway intelligent, he’d realize you NEVER EVER win by doing that. They sense they’ve won, and they continue to attack.

Soon, John McCain will only be able to get money from cloisterd nuns and monks...and maybe not even then, because the left will attack him for only accepting money from people who are “anti-choice”!


17 posted on 06/14/2008 8:19:27 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

McCain is such a jerk. This is yet ANOTHER of his major faults. He has fired loyal campaign workers because they were formerly “lobbyists.”

He also disowned Pastor John Hagee AFTER Hagee had apologized to Donohue for some anti-Catholic comments that were spoken in ignorance, because he had been misled by some of those Catholic-bashing books like “Hitler’s Pope.” (It’s OK if your typical NY Times liberal continues to believe those lies about Pius X, but it’s not OK if a pastor was temporarily taken in by them until someone took the trouble to educate him on the matter.)

It was a genuine apology, Donohue accepted it, and in his most recent Catholic League newsletter describes a very pleasant and productive meeting with Pastor Hagee and his wife in his New York office. But that wasn’t good enough for McCain. McCain can reach across the aisle, and never quarrels with his Democrat partners, but he never hesitates to throw his friends and party associates under the bus.


18 posted on 06/14/2008 8:20:33 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: KJC1

I agree...the one about rape is over the line....


19 posted on 06/14/2008 8:21:02 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: kitkat
I thank him for his service but that does not mean his is qualified to be president. Ok I know that was not the point of your post.
The coward part refers to today. The man backs down on so much these days, why can't he stand up and say this was nearly two decades ago and the guy apologized. I think to not do so was cowardly.
20 posted on 06/14/2008 8:21:07 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: svcw

I don’t know what the statute of limitations should be for Grade A offensive remarks. I just know that it would be damn foolish to associate with such a person.

Would we be so forgiving if an Obama fundraiser had made this same comment? Hell no. And that would be the right answer. Right is right and wrong is wrong.


21 posted on 06/14/2008 8:21:46 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Williams' comments made national news at the time and remain easy to find on the Internet. Even so, McCain's campaign said it hadn't known about the remarks.

Oh love that standard CNN. A standard that of course doesn't apply to the left in general and to Obama in particular.

CNN and the rest of the LMSM totally accept that Obama was unaware of the attitude/remarks of his personal pastor for 20 years and yet McCain is supposed to know all from 18 years ago. Again a blatant, in-your-face example of the LMSM's hypocrisy.

22 posted on 06/14/2008 8:21:52 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("The stumbles we make (Carter) just point out the path we must or must not take." Irongranpa at LGF)
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To: KJC1

I am constantly amazed at the ignorance that exists over the Obamao Double Standard, the Obamao can fundraise with Charlie Manson...that’s fine...

Mad John has no such luxury, he is under the microscope, Obamao is under the Telescope (as in celestial v terrestrial), make no mistake about it.


23 posted on 06/14/2008 8:22:40 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ The Obamao v Mad Jon, win the battle and lose the war..choice of evils be..)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

It would appear that the MSM has McCain afraid to blow his nose. He’s doomed.


24 posted on 06/14/2008 8:23:05 PM PDT by Spok (Liberty lives only in proportion to wholesome restraint.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The guy is radioactive. McCain’s staff shouldn’t have scheduled an event with him in the first place.


25 posted on 06/14/2008 8:23:37 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: krb
McCain had unspeakable stuff done to him over the course of many years. Worse than rape. A lot of people, myself included, think that he gets a pass on whatever he wants to call them.

I had no problem with him when he said that. I actually liked his answer when confronted about this talking about what happened to him at the Hanoi Hilton. Some guy made a stupid statement 20 years ago and he apologized and now McCain throws him under the bus. Very petty in my opinion.

26 posted on 06/14/2008 8:24:27 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Personally, I’m not the kind of person who looks back 18 years to see what people have said.

However, this is a political campaign people - the Dems took out a fine conservative last year because he called an obnoxious political operative a monkey. I guarantee if McCain hadn’t cancelled, the Dems would have brought it out and made McCain look like a virulent sexist.

Politics is war, and you have to be ruthless, especially when the press is devoted to making sure your opponent wins.


27 posted on 06/14/2008 8:24:47 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Have I ever said something offensive? Sure. But not like this. This is pathologically bad. I think McCain made absolutely the right move here.


28 posted on 06/14/2008 8:25:09 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: KJC1
Sorry, but McCain was right here. Those comments are repulsive. McCain is absolutely correct in not associating himself with a piece of sh*t like that.

I remember that gubernatorial race between Clayton "Claytie" Williams and Ann "Mother" Richards well. For a time, Claytie was well out in front. He was tough on crime, and had made a great commercial in which he said he wanted to "introduce criminals to the joys of bustin' up rocks". I agree that Claytie's "joke" was not funny. He was a walking gaffe machine. At a later moment in the campaign, after some statement or other by Mother Richards, he quipped "has she started drinkin' agin?" (a reference to Richards being a recovering alcoholic).

I still voted for the dude. He might have been a loose-tongued doofus, but Richards was positively evil, saying that she regarded "the right to choose" as a sacred right. She pretty much had blood on her hands as far as I am concerned. Her actions (for me) spoke much louder than Claytie's words.

That said, McCain was probably right to call off the fund raiser. The MSM would have made a much bigger deal out of Claytie's remarks (yes, I know, many years a go and he apologized, etc) than anything said by Rev. Wright.

29 posted on 06/14/2008 8:27:06 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: HAL9000

I’m glad some common sense is tuning in and replying to this thread!


30 posted on 06/14/2008 8:27:12 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: svcw
Yea, he called the communists Viet Cong - gooks.

Did you hear the caller Lorraine X telling Rush...she was practically doing cartwheels:



Lorraine X Says Obama Crack Team Has McCain "Gook" Tape

Happy Flag Day!
31 posted on 06/14/2008 8:28:02 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi

Yea, the woman cracks me up. But it is old news.


32 posted on 06/14/2008 8:29:30 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: KJC1

Yes, the candidate who used the term “gook” in a newspaper interview certainly stands on the higher ground here...yessiree!


33 posted on 06/14/2008 8:30:21 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: Recovering_Democrat

This from the party that still considered the wife of serial rapist Bill Clinton a viable candidate THIS YEAR.

They don’t give a Rat’s ass over the issue. It is a lot of Macaca. Phony outrage.


34 posted on 06/14/2008 8:34:02 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

In McCain’s article about his captivity in Vietnam, he used the word “gook” quite a few times. Guess he’s not electable now. But really this is all just a distraction that’s not helping my kids!


35 posted on 06/14/2008 8:34:16 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (You've heard of the War on Some Drugs? Now it's the War on Some Terror)
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To: KJC1

I agree


36 posted on 06/14/2008 8:34:32 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: KJC1; kristinn
Would we be so forgiving if an Obama fundraiser had made this same comment?

Oh for crying out loud! Why don't you read up a little on BhusseinO's fundraisers?

Terrorist Supporter Hosted Obama Hollywood Fundraiser

Obama Bundler: Bin Laden had 'Valid Argument' for 9/11 Attacks, Hugo Chavez a 'Sweetheart'

Republican National Committee: Obama Fundraising Hypocrisy (Obama - Code Pink Scandal)

37 posted on 06/14/2008 8:34:49 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Well if Robert Byrd can be forgiven, there's no reason why this jerk Williams can't be forgiven.



I said "if"
38 posted on 06/14/2008 8:35:51 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Society is well governed when the people obey the magistrates, and the magistrates obey the law)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Ayers’ partner in the Underground though it was cool that the Manson family stabbed those “pigs” and then ate in their living room.

Ayers is one of the brains behind Obama’s political machine in Chicago.

There is a WORLD of difference.

These Stalinists suck. Big time.


39 posted on 06/14/2008 8:36:39 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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Yes, the candidate who used the term “gook” in a newspaper interview certainly stands on the higher ground here...yessiree!

What would YOU call abusive captors? "Honeycakes" or "North-Vietnamese Mean People Who Are Torturing Me" or what would you suggest considering your communications are limited? That is, assuming you have been a POW. I have not, but it sounds like you have since you know better. Right?

40 posted on 06/14/2008 8:36:39 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: KJC1

“Better put some ice on that” - Bill Clinton to one of his real RAPE victims.


41 posted on 06/14/2008 8:38:22 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: I still care
Politics is war, and you have to be ruthless, especially when the press is devoted to making sure your opponent wins.

Precisely. Just like business is business. I just got done advising a friend over the phone regarding a pending transaction of her's . . . "hey, the two of you are friends and all, but the mirror is worth $1000."

42 posted on 06/14/2008 8:39:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Clayton's disgusting comments are exactly why Ann Richards beat his * into the dirt.

I freely admit that's the only RAT vote I've ever cast in my life. In the primary, I voted for Tom Luce.

43 posted on 06/14/2008 8:40:21 PM PDT by txflake
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To: KJC1

Says who? Please post a list of the offensive things you’ve said, and let the people judge. Because I guarndamntee you that some group out there will be outraged by what you said.

And don’t bother apologizing for it....not good enough, man. Slitting your wrists and crying in repentance still won’t let you find John McCain’s forgiveness.

I think we’ll just end up disagreeing on this, and strongly. McCain’s bending over on this is outrageous.

Of course, John McCain can still call liberal hypocrites his “friend” and write legislation with them....but not for a man who made a REMARK.

The judgement upon some ill chosen words by a Republican creates unforgiveable actions...he is turned into a pariah, unable to be seen in the same room with the candidate.

But liberal hacks whose actions constantly are taken to undermine our troops, or our president, or the unborn, or the taxpayers, those liberal hacks are given wide leeway to say and do whatever they want.


44 posted on 06/14/2008 8:40:42 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: padre35

Barack Obama held TWO fundraisers (for overseas Americans apparently) in Communist China.

The media is in to win for OBAMArx.


45 posted on 06/14/2008 8:41:19 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: Sans-Culotte
That said, McCain was probably right to call off the fund raiser. The MSM would have made a much bigger deal out of Claytie's remarks (yes, I know, many years a go and he apologized, etc) than anything said by Rev. Wright.

If McCain had half a brain and any spine when it comes to politicking ( I don't question the sheer guts he must have had to make it through the Hanoi Hilton, so let's not go there), he could use anything the MSM might say about Williams to his own advantage.

For instance, if an MSM reporter had said, "Senator McCain, how could you associate with a man who makes light of the horrible crime of rape? Is it because you don't think rape is serious?" McCain could answer, "Williams said an incredibly stupid thing 18 years ago and has apologized for it sincerely. I believe that forgiveness is a quality that God encourages us to foster. After all, who here hasn't said anything he has regretted later? What I'd like to know, however, is why people such as yourself refuse to forgive a man ho has sincerely apologized for a joke, but will overlook the incredibly distasteful and disgusting things said by Obama's associates, such as the pastor of his church and good friend, Jeremiah Wright, who actually said 'Goddamn America' and has never apologized for that? What kind of double-standard are you people using? Why won't you hold Obama to the same standard? Is it because all of you guys in the media are really Obama fans that you'll overlook everything for him?"

I can almost guarantee you that this sort of exchange would only be necessary ONCE, and the MSM weasels would not have the huevos to bring up Williams ever again. And that is the whole point - the MSM ignores everything negative about Obama, or whoever the Democrat flavor of the month is, while trumpeting the slightest missteps of Republicans. If McCain and others would simply use that negative air time to turn things around on the Democrats and their puppets in the MSM, we might actually get somewhere.
46 posted on 06/14/2008 8:44:10 PM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Are you kidding? The MSM would tie this joke/comment so tightly into McCain, most idiot voters won’t know that he never even said it. I can see exit polls now that would have had 25% of voters tying remark this directly to McCain.

Welcome to democracy in the Attention Deficit age.


47 posted on 06/14/2008 8:44:48 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Yes we will disagree, and I can’t join you in your frothing over McCain’s distancing himself from comments that we would RIGHTFULLY be slamming if they came from anyone associated with Obama. If ANY man stood before our daughters, our wives, our sisters, and made these comments most FReepers if they are good to their word would rearrange their faces. But carry on, with whatever it is you thought you were out to carry on with.


48 posted on 06/14/2008 8:45:46 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: KJC1
I agree, McCain is right here. The Dims and the media would slaughter him for 'getting in bed' with Clayton.

I lived in TX at the time, that one little 'joke' was the last straw with a lot of people. If he could have kept his mouth shut, TX probably would not have been saddled with that loud-mouth Molly Ivins best girlfriend, louder-mouth Ann Richards.

49 posted on 06/14/2008 8:49:36 PM PDT by top 2 toe red ("Cackling hillary...makes her sound like she is mentally-illary." Jimmy Kimmel. "Uh...she is!" Me)
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To: KJC1

“their faces” should be “his face”


50 posted on 06/14/2008 8:51:04 PM PDT by KJC1
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