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Looks like reality is sinking in -- if you don't support McCain, you ARE supporting Obama.
1 posted on 06/15/2008 10:36:59 AM PDT by CreativePerspective
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if you don’t support McCain, you ARE supporting Obama.

Oh really? uhh,, if you say so.

Welcome to FR.


2 posted on 06/15/2008 10:39:42 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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Looks like reality is sinking in —


Depends....... Paul and his bots haven’t gotten the message yet or so it seems.


3 posted on 06/15/2008 10:41:42 AM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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McCain is an arrogant guy, with plenty of liberal tendencies, and I don't really like the idiot or his policies much, but compared to the extreme left-wing Obama, even McCain manages to look like right winger. It's amazing the RATS nominated such an extremist to be their candidate.
4 posted on 06/15/2008 10:43:30 AM PDT by KevinJohnson
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Wow, what enthusiatic endorsements!!

After the way McCain dumped Hagee I can’t say I blame them for their tepid support.


5 posted on 06/15/2008 10:43:35 AM PDT by Taking Congress back in 2010
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Perhaps reality will set in with McCain as well.

Grudging support won't win this election - that just means we'll all vote against Obama, which just won't do the trick..

Enthusiastic support means bumper stickers, yard signs, contributions, phone banks, walking neighborhoods, and GOTV efforts. And victory. If McCain wants that, then he's got to show leadership, and give me something to get enthusiastic about.

One more hint - McCain's precious Independents won't give money, they won't put up a yard sign, they won't put a bumper sticker on their Prius, they won't work work phone banks, and they won't volunteer to GOTV. They won't do these things because they are too "independent" to associate with an organized political party.

And when these things don't happen, McCain will have exactly one person to blame.
6 posted on 06/15/2008 10:50:27 AM PDT by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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Not so fast there. This one hasn’t decided yet. I’m waiting to see who his VP is going to be.


7 posted on 06/15/2008 10:51:01 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CreativePerspective; fieldmarshaldj; Norman Bates; Impy; pissant; metmom; JulieRNR21; nutmeg; ...

That’s the key- support for McCain among conservatives is reluctant and tentative. No one here wants Barack Obama to be President, but the alternative is nothing great.

The choice for VP will matter more than anything else.


8 posted on 06/15/2008 10:51:10 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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I’m not a Texian, but them folks got it figured out.


11 posted on 06/15/2008 10:57:47 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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“There is no other choice.”

There’s always a choice. But I’m sure the bipartisan OBL/CFRers & Bushbot types are quite pleased with the “no other choice” position they think they’ve put us in. That was the plan, was it not?

Just like with Mexico and Canada elections....they intend to be certain of cooperation in moving forward with the NAU agenda.


13 posted on 06/15/2008 11:01:02 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER.)
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What a crock.


14 posted on 06/15/2008 11:03:45 AM PDT by Politicalmom (I've left the Grand Ol' Plantation. / GOP '08,- NO Soup for YOU!)
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The McCain camp is just not courting Evangelicals, they're doing everything they can to make sure we KNOW they don't want our support. There's a difference between being tepid about wanting Evangelical support and being openly hostile. As far as I'm concerned, these people have been openly hostile.

While at the same time having Carly Fiori court Hilary voters. GRRRRR

Who is McCain's campaign strategist? Wile E Coyote?

Whoever it is doesn't understand how to add and subtract.....

15 posted on 06/15/2008 11:04:32 AM PDT by WarEagle (Can America survive a President named Hussein?)
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Looks like reality is sinking stinking in for McCain support.
18 posted on 06/15/2008 11:06:27 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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Kind of sucks...but true.

McCain really is a hold-the-nose presidential candidate...the first I’ve experienced since taking a deep interest in politics nearly 30 years ago.


23 posted on 06/15/2008 11:13:00 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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Go away.


29 posted on 06/15/2008 11:31:14 AM PDT by Luke21
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The article begins:
HOUSTON — For religious conservatives at the Texas Republican Convention, even the song list at Friday’s prayer rally suggested dark days ahead for the GOP.

On stage, a man sang, “While the storm clouds gathered …”

So God Bless America is now a gathering storm in the eyes of this journalist.
34 posted on 06/15/2008 11:51:40 AM PDT by esarlls3
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if you don't support McCain, you ARE supporting Obama.

If there are 4 candidates and you vote for #1, then you have not voted for #2, #3, or #4.

At the level of ideology, if you refuse to vote for any candidate with any level of socialist/liberal positions, then, if Obama, McCain, and Nader all have socialist/liberal positions, then one cannot vote for any of them. One has totally rejected socialist/liberal positions of any variety.

If one rejects suicide in any form, then which of the following qualify?

A. A self-fired bullet into one's own head.

B. Hanging oneself from a beam in the barn.

C. Slicing one's veins open.

D. Smoking cigarettes.

E. Living a healthy, wholesome lifestyle.

37 posted on 06/15/2008 12:07:35 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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Sorry, this evangelical conservative is backing Bob Barr, and if that helps Barack Obama I don’t really care. The GOP and the McCain people should have thought of that when they slapped us for the twentieth time.


39 posted on 06/15/2008 12:46:37 PM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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You wish!

We still have a choice.

This is a conservative forum, not a GOP forum.

If your principles and your conscience will not allow you to vote for somebody with the horrible record that McCain has, write in the name of someone who would actually make a good President.

For those of you who have conveniently forgotten, this is just part of McCain's record:

1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush’s best judges from being presented for a vote) See here and here
2. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech and Pro-Life
3. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
4. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)
5. Total support for global warming scam, including the Carbon Cap-and-Trade system. See Here
6. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).
7. Wants to moderate or soften the Pro-Life plank of the GOP Platform. See Here and Here and Here.
8. Has flip-flopped on overturning Roe vs. Wade.
9. Wants to close Gitmo and give Terrorists access to our legal system.
10. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
11. C grade from NRA.
12. 65% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
13. Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on thier applications) with US tax money.
14. Voted against President Bush’s tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
15. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.
16. Wants to implement a socialist Health Care proposal that includes providing tax-coffer monies (your tax dollars) to the states to provide Health Care Insurance for those who either refuse to pay for it, or are unable to afford it (mostly illegal aliens).
17. Divorced his wife after he got back from Vietnam. The same woman who remained true to him and raised his kids while he was imprisoned.
18. Refuses to drill in ANWR. See here and here
19. Agrees with Democrats that our Foreign Policy has been arrogant and we need to be more humble.
20. Thinks and states that Pharmaceutical companies are evil
21. Has accepted funding from Soros and Teresa Heinz-Kerry for his institute
22. John McCain's Top 10 Class-Warfare Arguments Against Tax Cuts
23. "I think the Democrat Party is a fine and I have no problems with it, in their views and philosophy"
24. Strongly against Same Sex Marriage Ban Constitutional Amendment
25. Voted for Pro-Abortion Bill and Here.
26. Voted against bill that would impose sanctions against foreign governments and companies that invest more than $20 million in Iran's energy sector until the president certified to Congress that Iran had dismantled its weapons of mass destruction Here and Here
27. Voted against repealing the death tax.
28. McCain-Edwards-Kennedy    (Many Democrat inspired bad rules included in this monstrosity)
29. Wants to close Guantanamo and give Terrorists modified military trials with some of the same rights as our civil court system.
30. Socialist Approach to Business I.: Supports Windfall Profit Tax
31. Socialist Approach to Business II.: Will Regulate CEO Pay
32. Missed 60.8 of all votes. Most of any Senate Member
33. The list of shame: John McCain's votes against the GOP and conservatism in general. Read them and weep Freepers!
40 posted on 06/15/2008 12:51:07 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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If you do support McCain then you are supporting a lying, backstabbing, Constitution trampling half wit. Not that you care about that but...
60 posted on 06/15/2008 3:13:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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If one calls themselves a conservative and an evangelical, but yet can support McCain they need to take a serious look into the mirror to see if they are truly conservative and evangelical.

McCain and Obama agree in principle on nearly every issue. They are both statists. The both agree in a strong centralized federal government, man-made global warming, interventionism, the tax code, that the government has a duty to regulate firearms, that the government has a say in how you should educate your child, that the government has to be involved in the health care industry. They only differ on the details of how these goals shall be accomplished.

A vote for Obama is a vote for statism. A vote for McCain is a vote for statism. Regardless of which statist you chose the end result is the same.


63 posted on 06/15/2008 3:53:59 PM PDT by PastorTony
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