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Misunderstanding marriage
Jewish World Review ^ | May 22, 2008 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 06/16/2008 8:09:36 AM PDT by rhema

CALIFORNIA'S voters, unlike their counterparts in Massachusetts, will have the last word on what marriage means in their state. When the highest court in Massachusetts conjured up a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, 170,000 Bay State voters petitioned for an amendment to the state constitution that would restore the age-old definition. Their effort died on the vine when the Legislature derailed the measure before it could reach the ballot.

But citizen initiatives aren't so easily thwarted in California, where last week the state supreme court, in a 4-3 ruling, likewise overturned the timeless understanding of marriage as a union of male and female. Some 1.1 million signatures have already been submitted on behalf of a constitutional amendment making clear that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." That is far more than needed, making it virtually certain that Californians will have an opportunity to override the court's presumptuous diktat.

And override it they should, for numerous reasons. Here are three:

It is not the business of judges to make public policy.

Reasonable men and women can disagree on whether same-sex unions should be granted legal recognition, or whether such recognition should rise to the level of marriage. The place to work out those disagreements is the democratic arena, not the courtroom.

"From the beginning of California statehood," the court's majority opinion admits, "the legal institution of civil marriage has been understood to refer to a relationship between a man and a woman." Eight years ago, Californians decisively affirmed that understanding when they adopted Proposition 22, the California Defense of Marriage Act, in a 61-39 landslide. To have legitimacy, any change in that consensus must come from the people or their elected representatives, not be forced upon them by an imperial judiciary.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: calinitiatives; homosexualagenda; jacoby; marriage; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 06/16/2008 8:09:36 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

“Marraige” and “gay” don’t belong in the same sentence.


2 posted on 06/16/2008 8:12:00 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: rhema
CALIFORNIA'S voters, unlike their counterparts in Massachusetts, will have the last word on what marriage means in their state.

No we don't.

We have the 9th District to make sure the citizens don't get to uppity.

3 posted on 06/16/2008 8:12:27 AM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of their age and stupider by its cube.)
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To: rhema
It doesn't matter what The People want. What matters is what the Liberal Elite class wants.

C'mon son....get with the program!

4 posted on 06/16/2008 8:13:12 AM PDT by KenHorse (It may be the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others)
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To: yldstrk

Ever notice no one ever explains how homosex marriage will benefit socicety as a whole? It’s always, we want it and it’s not fair if we don’t get it. For this we need to redefine the parameters of the foundation of our civilization?


5 posted on 06/16/2008 8:17:51 AM PDT by DManA
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To: null and void

They “know better” and are wiser than God or anyone that ever lived.

This is how “liberals” think.


6 posted on 06/16/2008 8:18:12 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: DManA
Ever notice no one ever explains how homosex marriage will benefit socicety as a whole? It’s always, we want it and it’s not fair if we don’t get it. For this we need to redefine the parameters of the foundation of our civilization?

This debate isn't really about "gay marriage" IMO. It is about using the word "marriage." If Civil Unions were legally recognized in all 50 states and conferred all the same rights as monogamous heterosexual marriage upon gay civil unions, we would still have this debate. "Gay marriage" is about destruction of the nuclear family living under god in a free country.

7 posted on 06/16/2008 8:25:16 AM PDT by IamConservative (Character: What you do when no one is looking.)
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To: MrB

Indeed.


8 posted on 06/16/2008 8:27:53 AM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of their age and stupider by its cube.)
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To: DManA

Stability is in the interests of society.

Married couples are more apt to settle down and buy houses, etc. than casual relationships.

Married couples are less apt to spread STD’s far and wide.


9 posted on 06/16/2008 8:33:03 AM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of their age and stupider by its cube.)
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To: IamConservative
"Gay marriage" is about destruction of the nuclear family living under god in a free country.

Well said. That's exactly the point.

10 posted on 06/16/2008 8:33:09 AM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: IamConservative

No question about it, the destruction of the nuclear family is the ultimate aim of the liberal agenda. Destroy the family unit, and you have destroyed a society.


11 posted on 06/16/2008 8:49:29 AM PDT by righting-wrongs
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To: rhema

The new liberal WOS (war on semantics)


12 posted on 06/16/2008 9:04:58 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: rhema

“Marriage” is a legal construct recognizing a relationship between two people. Married people are afforded benefits unavailable to the non-married. The purpose of marriage is for the state to encourage the basic building block of society.

“Gay Marriage” ignores this purpose. A state can confer or deny these benefits as it sees fit - people are also free to live and do business in any state they like.

The net result will be a failing of CA and MA as states. Productive populations will migrate elsewhere.


13 posted on 06/16/2008 9:05:34 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: rhema

This is old.


14 posted on 06/16/2008 9:06:04 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama is too extreme, too naive and too inexperienced for America.)
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To: IamConservative
This debate isn't really about "gay marriage" IMO. It is about using the word "marriage." If Civil Unions were legally recognized in all 50 states and conferred all the same rights as monogamous heterosexual marriage upon gay civil unions, we would still have this debate. "Gay marriage" is about destruction of the nuclear family living under god in a free country. You're onto the real issue here. It is all about the redefinitions of words to fit the Liberal Agenda.

Just as "racism" and "neo-con" have been redefined as THEY want, "marriage" is on the hit parade too.

On a side note, I think the best example of the Lib Redefinition Agenda can be found on the TV show "So you think you can dance". A fairly tall girl was scrubbed and, in tears said "I think the judges are racist against tall people".

Says all you need to know.....

15 posted on 06/16/2008 9:15:14 AM PDT by KenHorse (It may be the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others)
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To: newzjunkey
This is old.

It's an editorial (not a news report), it hasn't been posted before, and it proffers three valid reasons for Californians to wrest control of their institutions from the Ninth Circuit.

16 posted on 06/16/2008 9:19:10 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: righting-wrongs

Frederick Engels 1847
The Principles of Communism

What will be the influence of communist society on the family?

It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene.

It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm


17 posted on 06/16/2008 10:04:22 AM PDT by donna (I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: yldstrk

Sure it does. My wife and I have a wonderful, gay-filled marriage. Of course, I’m using the actual definition of “gay”, not the usurped definition of “homosexual”.


18 posted on 06/16/2008 10:41:59 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: rhema

It has since been qualified for the ballot, so expect the gay-lesbian-transgender community and their supporters to rally. We must get out their and counter them.


19 posted on 06/16/2008 11:32:39 AM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: null and void
Trading in the gay “lifestyle” for monogamous life time marriage would be a bigger change to gay culture than gay marriage would be to the mainstream culture.
20 posted on 06/16/2008 1:19:51 PM PDT by DManA
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