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So, Now It's "Bush Didn't Lie"
Bob Parks: Black & Right ^ | 6/16/08 | Bob Parks

Posted on 06/16/2008 6:51:04 PM PDT by bocopar

For almost five long years, many of us have tried to explain to a deaf media and public that President Bush was a victim of the world's intelligence when it came to the whole weapons of mass destruction thing with Iraq. Liberals chanted "Bush lied, people died" and some have called for The Hague to try him for war crimes.

So, you can imagine my frustration and near uncontrollable anger when after all that, the Los Angeles Times decides to shock the world...

Bush never lied to us about Iraq

(Excerpt) Read more at blackandright.mndnet.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bobparks; bush; bushlied; prewarintelligence; tnr

1 posted on 06/16/2008 6:51:04 PM PDT by bocopar
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To: bocopar

2 posted on 06/16/2008 6:58:22 PM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of their age and stupider by its cube.)
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To: bocopar

Dennis Prager was really talking up this story today. It’s some small consolation to have such a liberal newspaper finally put this in print. Anyone who still says Bush lied has no credibility whatsoever; none.

Thanks for the post!


3 posted on 06/16/2008 6:59:24 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: bocopar
I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. What has been uncovered and why are they suddenly starting to back off their claims? The Leftist MSM has done their best to ruin the USA in the eyes of the world. As Dennis Prager puts it ‘the world doesn't hate us, the leftist media of the world hate us’. To quote a less respectable source, Newmann on Seinfeld said years ago (paraphrase) ‘you control the world when you control......information’. The Left has the MSM in the bag. What is now coming to the surface that the MSM can't stop??
4 posted on 06/16/2008 6:59:43 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: null and void

Those are just the cutest little emoticons.


5 posted on 06/16/2008 6:59:53 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: bocopar

I say this without a hint of humor - it is too difficult for a liberal to use critical thinking skills, especially when it is so much easier for them to chant stupid slogans like Bush Lied, People Died.


6 posted on 06/16/2008 7:01:29 PM PDT by steel_resolve (We are living in the post-rational world where being a moron is an asset)
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To: Paved Paradise; sionnsar

Thanks.

I stole them fair and square from sionnsar...


7 posted on 06/16/2008 7:01:53 PM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of their age and stupider by its cube.)
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To: bocopar

You know what is funny? I have posted the following question on many forums when “discussing” this with a liberal(s):

“Since President Bush was using intelligence supplied by the agencies staffed by Clinton and quoting many Democrats in Congress at the time, does that mean that Clinton lied also? Oh yeah, I remember now. Clinton was disbarred and impeached for lying under oath.”

I have never received a comeback or response. Even when I goad them into trying to reply. They seem to vanish, at least on this point.


8 posted on 06/16/2008 7:01:53 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: bocopar
The LA Times pieces does not mention Obama, but I sense him lurking between the lines.

Bush said what he said. An experienced politician like John Kerry came out and claimed that Bush (that idiot) misled him. The smartest woman in the world, Hillary Clinton, said that Bush (that moron) misled her.

Who wasn't misled? Barack Obama. He stands alone. He was against the whole thing from the beginning, as a matter of principle. He may seem young and inexperienced, but he never claimed to have been misled by Bush. Obama is a statesman, and a keen judge of character.

The other subtext is that People with that last name of Romney as more easily misled than anyone else and make really, really bad vice presidential candidates.

This piece in the LA Times is simultaneously attacking McCain's possible choice for VP and boosting Obama as a wise statesman.

9 posted on 06/16/2008 7:02:21 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: bocopar

It’s in the opinion section.

When I see a similar story in the news section, I’ll count it as a change.


10 posted on 06/16/2008 7:02:45 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Paved Paradise
It’s some small consolation to have such a liberal newspaper finally put this in print.

Don't take it as "consolation". Take it as an indication that the MSM is now pursuing another agenda.

Specifically, this smells like an effort to begin convincing their moonbat base that terrorists really do represent a risk to the US. And that, while Bush didn't lie to us, he screwed things up so badly that we'll have to stay in Iraq awhile longer.

They're not giving Bush a clean bill of health, not at all. Instead, they've now set about misleading their base in another direction.

11 posted on 06/16/2008 7:07:38 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: bocopar

It is odd that they would print a story like this, but it is especially strange that they would print it before the election. This is something I think they would normally wait until Obama was safely inagurated to release.


12 posted on 06/16/2008 7:08:55 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: ClearCase_guy

John Kerry came out and claimed that Bush (that idiot) misled him. The smartest woman in the world, Hillary Clinton, said that Bush (that moron) misled her.

Just a couple of the many morons in Congress that had access to research the issue, but, instead blame Bush for their own laziness.


13 posted on 06/16/2008 7:09:40 PM PDT by Son House ( BMT ==> Babies, Military, Taxes: Just Say No To Democrats!)
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To: bocopar
So, I asked him - a truly erudite liberal - "What did he lie about?"

"Ugh... Agh... Eh...."

I think I actually felt sorry for the guy.

14 posted on 06/16/2008 7:11:15 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Paved Paradise; All

This guy is an important New Republic staff member as well.

Impressive admission.

What amazes me is the news media barely even mentioned the report June 5.....I thought they would hammer it to McCain.


15 posted on 06/16/2008 7:12:37 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: ArmstedFragg

The Opinion section.

The perfect place for a trial balloon.


16 posted on 06/16/2008 7:13:09 PM PDT by bocopar (Author's Response)
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To: bocopar
Dinosaur Media trying to gain some respectability to boost readership.

Uh, Too little to late.

The MSM has already damaged this country enough by selling out their own country for the instant gratification by selling out to the Soros/Moore coalition and their prevaricated talking points that they supplied to the enemies of the west.

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17 posted on 06/16/2008 7:15:08 PM PDT by R_Kangel (`.`)
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To: bocopar
administration critics continually demonstrate an inability to distinguish making claims based on flawed intelligence from knowingly propagating falsehoods

And what has the LA Times been doing all these years to right the situation? Until today, NOTHING. If they knew all along this was the situation, then the LA Times was lying by omission. Guilty.

BTW, they weren't supposed to give away the liberal secret that mistakes equal lies.

18 posted on 06/16/2008 7:15:32 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: bocopar
Here's another at TNR via NewsBusters.
19 posted on 06/16/2008 7:23:05 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: bocopar

Now let’s see if the L.A. Times apologizes to the American public..They say Pres. Bush was misled by the intelligence, so he did not lie to the public...Misled!...But the Times said he lied all these years..

Did we not all know that Sadam Hussein had gassed and killed 40,000 Kurds, that he sadistically tortured and killed his own people, and that he was a brutal dictator?...That was common knowledge, no one ‘misled’ the American public about that...But Pres. Bush also had information about WMD and to this day no one has proven that they did not have any WMD, so who is to say if he was misled?.....But that’s what the press used to skewer him on....By saying he was misled, the L.A. Times is obfuscating..

Rarely did the MSM say Yes, Hussein was another Hitler who deserved to be taken out...Dame right he was a dictator and the lousy MSM never went to Bush’s aid to defend him or thank him for taking out that bum...The MSM lied to the public, and covered up, and obfuscated all these years, so it is the MSM that should apologize to the American public...The L.A. Time’s duplicity is just one thing that is helping to kill the MSM in this country and i say GOOD...Go to blazes and take your filthy leftist ideas and journalists with you...


20 posted on 06/16/2008 7:24:38 PM PDT by billmor (The American Voter--the Sleeping Tiger. Kicked in the back end.)
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To: bocopar
The perfect place for a trial balloon.

Yes, it is, isn't it? I would love to believe that this individual and his publication were actually trying to rise above the muck of "Bush lied" - if, in fact, they're going to be taken seriously in the very near future by people less desperately committed to blaming Bush for the fact that the cat had kittens than most of the left today, then it's a pretty good essay in that direction. And, in fact, the Rockefeller report pretty much admits that everything your liberal parrot commentator posted was, in fact, justified by contemporary intelligence.

What I'm wondering is qui bono? Why, in the midst of a Presidential campaign based in part on "Bush lied" is TNR now issuing a corrective? Who would want that mantra broken, except perhaps someone who had voted in favor of intervention? Someone now suggesting broadly that she be considered for the VP slot...or else?

I might, of course, be entirely wrong about that, but you know the people we're dealing with. BTT.

21 posted on 06/16/2008 7:37:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: bocopar

but, but, but... it’s still Bush’s fault.


22 posted on 06/16/2008 7:38:54 PM PDT by Kevmo (SURFRINAGWIASS : Shut Up RINOs. Free Republic is not a GOP Website. It's a SOCON Site.)
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To: bocopar

I’ve often wondered how the dumbest man in the world has outfoxed the brilliant left for years.

I guess they’re dumber than him?


23 posted on 06/16/2008 7:39:56 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: bocopar

Always appreciate your commentary. Keep up the good work!!

Thanks


24 posted on 06/16/2008 7:42:54 PM PDT by A message
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To: bocopar
Usually the lying Democrat media comes out and says they were wrong after the election of their guy... I still believe they found WMDs and neither the intelligence community or the President lied.
25 posted on 06/16/2008 7:43:06 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: onedoug
I always come back with ‘so it would be better for the Iraqi people for Saddam Hussein to still be in power? Because you can't have it both ways. We stay home and Hussein is still in power, we go in and the Iraqis have the opportunity to govern themselves and (hopefully) stop being a threat to their neighbors and other countries around the world’. They usually have no comeback to that.
26 posted on 06/16/2008 7:46:51 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: OrioleFan

Yep, we did find WMD. Some 400 pre-gulf war shells that were supposed to have been destroyed but never were in violation of the UN resolution. Unusable, old, blah blah blah, they had them, we found them, they were WMD, they failed to destroy them. To say no WMD was found is BS.


27 posted on 06/16/2008 7:53:48 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: bocopar

Doubled up his lithium suppository dosage on this news.

28 posted on 06/16/2008 7:56:22 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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To: bocopar

Never thought Bush was lying at any time. This was a mantra started back in the time of Nixon, where people were going around, moaning about why Nixon “lied” about the Watergate coverup. Nixon didn’t lie, he took the heat for a bunch of overenthusiastic operatives who MAY have exceeded their orders just a tad, and later revelations made it LOOK like Nixon had lied.

Fact of life, Presidents are in no position to share the daily workings of the inner circle with persons who are merely nosey, or have malicious intent on their minds. Nobody is under unending obligation to offer up every detail of their daily lives, and most people would not tolerate it for a day, let alone a term in office. So “lying” is an entirely separate issue from keeping a little private space and counsel in your life.

Now if you do something, and explain that you did it based on the information you had at the time, and it turns out the information was incomplete or wrong, it was not a lie when you decided to follow that course of action. It might turn out to have been a wrong call, but still, not a lie.

And sometimes, the right thing ends up happening anyway, even with erroneous information. Maybe Saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction, and the basis for invasion and removing him from office was based on this error, but the end result, he was still removed from office and the military threat posed by Saddam upon his neighbors was neutralized. The alternative course of doing nothing could just have well ended up in Saddam re-emerging as a far more grave threat, and he would STILL have to be taken out today - after visiting many more atrocities upon his own people, and inflicting enormous economic damage on the world economy.

More importantly, America, if only for a few years, was not paralyzed by their own internal doubts and misplaced empathies.


29 posted on 06/16/2008 8:00:28 PM PDT by alloysteel (Carbon dioxide is plant food, no more of a "pollutant" than water or oxygen.)
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To: bocopar
I'll skip any accolades to the Time revelation. Bob, and cut to the chase.

Prior to the invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration spent the better part of a year analyzing old intelligence and gathering new, comparing it with foreign intelligence and preparing a case to be presented before the United Nations as Causus Belli. A lot of parlays were done with the UN prior to the presentation of our argument and our intentions. That's a long time....and the wrong place to trust with sensitive intel.

While we were successful in persuading the UN to accede to our plans and eventually successful in toppling Saddam's regime, we were fooled by an anti-American organization and a tyrant, who tipped off, benefited from the "No WMDs found" news briefly. It became America's black eye in world opinion and the raging news item on US soil.

Though the Saddam regime had been given time to sanitize its stockpiles of forbidden weaponry or time to relocate them to other areas, our great success in the region were the elections, the blue stained fingers and the installation of a new democratically elected government.

The capture of Saddam by US troops, his trial and conviction by an Iraqi justice system speaks volumes to his criminality and cruelty to his own people and the when the US delivered him to the Iraqi authorities for final dispensation in his case, gave the Coup d' Grace.

Time, telegraphing intentions are perilous in war.
30 posted on 06/16/2008 8:47:34 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: bocopar
How long before the libs decide that the Los Angeles Times lies and has sold out?
31 posted on 06/16/2008 9:13:50 PM PDT by TBP
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To: ClearCase_guy
This piece in the LA Times is simultaneously attacking McCain's possible choice for VP and boosting Obama as a wise statesman.

Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner!

It is safe to assume that every word published by the MSM between now and the election is calculated to help elect B.O.

32 posted on 06/16/2008 9:15:01 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy ("What's up with Whitey?" - Michelle Obama)
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To: steel_resolve
Yes, Liberalism is a mental disorder, and they lay their emotions, thinking , conscience , on their basic primal animal instints, and yes, their slogans are so stupid.
Their classic mumbo jumbo chant, hey hey ho ho ,, hey hey ho ho.
Isn't amazing, their belief is that we came from apes, but, if you were to call them a monkey or ape, they get so mad.
33 posted on 06/16/2008 9:33:37 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: originalbuckeye
" They usually have no comeback to that. "
Then they go huff off in there hissy fit and later come back with some irrational anti-logic rant lie.
34 posted on 06/16/2008 9:36:12 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: okie01
And that, while Bush didn't lie to us, he screwed things up so badly that we'll have to stay in Iraq awhile longer.

It was the very misreporting and sloganeering of the left that emboldened and gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How much blood is on the hands of the left.

35 posted on 06/16/2008 9:38:55 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama: "America is the greatest country on earth, help me change America.")
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To: Mike Darancette
It was the very misreporting and sloganeering of the left that emboldened and gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How much blood is on the hands of the left.

It is vital to the left that Bush lied. They are desperate to justify their treason against the country in a time of war. If he did not lie history will view them for what they really are - traitors.

36 posted on 06/17/2008 2:04:14 AM PDT by sazerac
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To: Mike Darancette
How much blood is on the hands of the left.

The left has a proud history of drenching every country they've ever run in rivers of blood.

See USSR, PRC, NKPR, Cuba, Southeast Asia, etc.

It's what leftists do!

And they feel good about it...

37 posted on 06/17/2008 9:41:53 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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