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To: kellynla
The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.

Tell me Pat didn't write that.

3 posted on 06/20/2008 8:15:35 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Pat wrote that.

I think Pat has gone nuts.


5 posted on 06/20/2008 8:18:38 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: dirtboy
The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.

The Jews were treated wonderfully right up untuil September 1, 1939, right Pat?

12 posted on 06/20/2008 8:21:19 AM PDT by montag813
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To: dirtboy
He wrote that.

and this little gem, too:

"Britain twice declared war on a Germany that had not attacked her and did not want war with her,"

Pat, Pat, Pat when you have told everyone that you want to rule the whole world and make a darn good start at taking over a whole frickin' continent, it's pretty clear to even the densest of observers, that an island nation within swimming distance of that continent is in immediate peril.

I bet he really thinks islam is a religion of peace, too.

Mindboggling.

18 posted on 06/20/2008 8:23:22 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: dirtboy

The nutroots have excepted that we were right about Hillary. Maybe it’s time we accepted that they were right about Pat. Maybe he has been a nazi all along.


22 posted on 06/20/2008 8:25:27 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, educate, then opinionate.)
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To: dirtboy

“The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.”

I’ve read the Mein Kampf. Hitler always intended to exterminate the Jewish people.

Pat has ceased to be relevant.


30 posted on 06/20/2008 8:28:20 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: dirtboy

Take those two sentences and dissect them.

I agree that the extermination of Jews and others was not a cause of the war.

And in some cases, it was a consequence of the war in occupied lands....maybe....France, Italy, the Balkans , the USSR admittedly...over a million Jews I think etc.

But most of the victims came from Poland and Germany-Austria which would have happened even without a “World War”....neither a cause or consequence of the broader war but would have happened anyway after the Poland invasion.

So Pay is only partly right and in whole wrong.

For someone who is on occasion quite astute, he is very wrong on some key matters.

Why on earth does Pat think France and England should have just sat on their hands after Poland was invaded?

Where Hitler really screwed up was declaring war on the US and breaking his peace with Russia too early.

Pat takes too much liberty with the fact that most Jews and others were killed after 1940.


53 posted on 06/20/2008 8:38:32 AM PDT by wardaddy (if I could slap Obama will he fight back like a black man or bitch up like a metero white boy?)
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To: dirtboy

He said it again on the Howie Carr Show. He is nuts. He blamed Poland for the war as well. All Hitler wanted was Danzig he said.


55 posted on 06/20/2008 8:39:52 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: dirtboy
Tell me Pat didn't write that.

I think you don't get what he's saying. He is saying that the preconditions that empowered Hitler were engendered by the aftermath of WWI.

Remember that not long before Hitler became chancellor, the city of Berlin had been taken over by the Spartakusbund, a rabidly communist party comprising many Reform Jewish leaders, particularly Polish Jewess, Rosa Luxemburg. The Spartakusbund brought crushing strikes and depravity to Berlin, which was rapidly becoming the San Francisco of Germany. It was to be the first step in a nationwide communist takeover repeating a first attempt in 1848. These folks had the German middle class shaking in their boots. Not a few fell into Hitler's arms out of fear.

Toss in news of the Balfour Declaration as a cause of America's entry into WWI and Germany's resulting loss. That was easily portrayed as a betrayal in return for the historic accommodation the Germans had shown for the Jewish people, despite the fact that the agreement had been concluded by radical Sabbatean bankers who had nothing but antipathy for the Orthodox Jewish commoner.

History is more complicated than good guys v. bad guys. People need to understand that Judaism is by no means homogeneous, but deeply divided between Orthodox and the Sabbatean left, inventors of communism in the first place.

69 posted on 06/20/2008 8:48:20 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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