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A matter of life: In almost every way, McCain, Obama on opposite sides of America's abortion divide
WORLD ^ | June 28, 2008 | Jamie Dean

Posted on 06/20/2008 9:45:56 AM PDT by Caleb1411

Long before Sen. Barack Obama secured the Democratic presidential nomination, the candidate mused about the first thing he would do as president.

At a Planned Parenthood gathering in Washington, D.C., last July, Obama told supporters of America's largest abortion network: "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act."

The purpose of the pro-abortion legislation—first introduced in the Senate in 1989—is clear: "To prohibit, consistent with Roe v. Wade, the interference by the government with a woman's right to choose to bear a child or terminate a pregnancy." The bill has never passed Congress, but its intention is sweeping: Nullify most abortion restrictions already in place, and cut off attempts at further restrictions.

Obama's support for the bill doesn't come up much on the campaign trail. The candidate rarely mentions abortion outside of pro-abortion gatherings, and downplays the volatile issue to mixed crowds.

On the other side of the stump, Sen. John McCain is talking about abortion more than he has in the past. The presumptive Republican nominee is taking pains to point out his pro-life voting record, especially to some skeptical pro-life supporters.

In a campaign season dominated by the economy, the war, and the price of gasoline, pro-abortion and pro-life groups agree on one thing: The stakes in the abortion debate remain high, and the two presidential candidates largely represent opposite ends of the spectrum.

Obama spelled out those stakes on the 35th anniversary of Roe v. Wade: "With one more vacancy on the Supreme Court, we could be looking at a majority hostile to a woman's fundamental right to choose for the first time since Roe v. Wade."

The National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) agrees and recently endorsed Obama, calling him "a fully pro-choice candidate." The group gave Obama a 100 percent rating for supporting pro-abortion legislation in Congress.

NARAL gives McCain a zero percent rating for his "extreme anti-choice record," and asks for donations to help defeat his campaign.

One mile south of NARAL's Washington, D.C., headquarters, National Right to Life (NRTL) is adamant as well. The pro-life group—which endorsed Fred Thompson last year—now supports McCain, citing his voting record in Congress. Not surprisingly, it vigorously opposes Obama, also citing his voting record. NRTL president David O'Steen told WORLD: "I don't see how one could take a more pro-abortion position than Obama."

Examining the candidates' voting records reveals the kinds of policies each would likely support as president. Obama in the U.S. Senate has supported funding for overseas groups that promote or perform abortions and has opposed parental notification laws.

When he was an Illinois state senator, Obama instead of voting "yes" or "no" on abortion bills often voted "present." In 1997 Obama voted "present" on two bills banning partial-birth abortion. In 2001 he voted "present" on two parental notification bills. He voted "present" three times on bills aimed at protecting infants who survive abortions.

Pam Sutherland, president of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, said her group worked with Obama and a handful of other Democratic senators on the voting strategy. Sutherland said the tactic allowed senators to withhold support for pro-life bills without creating a record that could hurt them with voters. "A 'present' vote was hard to pigeonhole, which is exactly what Obama wanted," she told ABC News.

Despite voting "present" on the pro-life bills, Obama expressed strong opposition to them, saying they didn't include exceptions for the health of the mother, and that they would hold doctors criminally responsible for performing such abortions. Obama condemned the Supreme Court's decision last year to uphold the federal ban on partial-birth abortions, calling it an attempt to "steadily roll back the hard-won rights of American women."

In presidential debates, Obama has said he believes that states could legitimately put restrictions on some late-term abortions, but added, "The broader issue here is: Do women have the right to make these profoundly difficult decisions? And I trust them to do it."

McCain in the U.S. Senate voted for the partial-birth abortion ban, parental notification laws, banning abortions in military medical facilities, the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, and dozens of other pro-life measures. NRTL's O'Steen told WORLD: "McCain has an absolutely solid and consistent pro-life voting record."

But the record isn't flawless. Some pro-life groups—including NRTL—have ardently disagreed with McCain-sponsored campaign finance laws that curtail attempts by nonprofit groups to influence voters toward particular candidates 60 days before an election.

A bigger problem for McCain among pro-life voters is his support for federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. Pro-life groups oppose the research that requires destroying frozen embryos, and they express consternation over McCain's support of allocating tax dollars toward the work.

Late last year, McCain told WORLD that he believes life begins at conception, but "the Bible also tells us to heal the sick," and he remains firmly committed to funding the research. O'Steen said NRTL disagrees with McCain on the embryonic stem cell issue, but that his overall voting record remained strong enough for McCain to win its support.

One other bump McCain might face: In 2000 the senator strongly argued for a change to the pro-life GOP platform, which calls for a human life amendment to the Constitution. McCain said it should include exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother.

Republicans have resisted the change, and McCain hasn't indicated he'll push for it this year. But the issue could put the candidate in an awkward position this summer.

If the candidates' voting records reveal what they might do as president, so do their public statements. McCain says Roe v. Wade should be overturned, and has indicated he would nominate judges sympathetic to that view.

Obama has made abortion-related promises as well: In addition to supporting the Freedom of Choice Act, the senator opposes any constitutional amendment to ban abortion. He says he would defend Roe v. Wade and nominate justices who would do the same. He would also promote federal funding for sex education for teens, as well as funds for a public information campaign about "emergency contraception."

It's unclear how much Obama's abortion views will surface during the campaign, but it's clear that he doesn't plan to change those views: "On this issue," he told the Planned Parenthood gathering, " I will not yield."

On the record Comparing candidates' life-related votes

1. Codify state health care option for unborn children.

Amendment to codify states' option to cover unborn children in SCHIP program, and define an unborn child as any phase of development in the womb

McCain: Yes; Obama: No

2. Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007

Mandated federal funding for embryonic stem cell research

McCain: Yes; Obama: Yes

3. Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act

Bill requiring abortionists to notify at least one parent before performing an abortion on a minor from another state

McCain: Yes; Obama: No

4. Funding for overseas pro-abortion groups

Amendment to nullify federal policy prohibiting federal funds for overseas groups that perform or promote abortions

McCain: No; Obama: Yes

5. Partial-birth abortion ban

Bill to ban partial-birth abortions, in which a baby is partially delivered before killed

McCain: Yes; Obama: * Not yet in U.S. Senate —


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; babykillers; issues; mccain; notpunishment; nrlc; obama; prolife; prolifevote
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To: MHGinTN
Saved me?...  I didn't say I saved you.  I said I hope I have saved you from having to wade through my posts.  I'm quite willing to be frank about my beliefs.  You don't have to go looking to find them.

Don’t vote for McCain and help elect the socialist empty suit, Barry Obama.  That empty suit will have about 275 votes in the House and about 56 in the Senate.  The empty suit you want to vote for will have 375 votes in the House and about 90 in the Senate when he wants to pass leftist legislation.  When it comes to leftist legislation, you're setting up one party rule by trying to elect a man that will have no opposition, and Democrat and Republican support for the leftist stuff he wants to do.  I'd prefer the empty suit that will have some opposition.

Your ilk saves no one and yet you hold yourself in such high regard.  I have offered my opinion.  How does that reflect me holding myself in higher regard than you hold yourself when you offer up an opinion?  Good grief.  Get a grip.

The facyt that McCain can change his positions and is showing some signs of that makes zero impression on the self-righteous such as yourself.   Oh changing his mind is what John does best.   Name a topic John hasn't been on both sides of.  Seriously.

Got a perfect candidate to beat Obama? ... I didn’t think so.  No I don't.  But I will congratulate you on picking the perfect candidate to pass leftist aganda.  Democrats will vote for John's leftist nonsense because they want it.  Republicans will vote for it because they want quid pro quo and a political future.

Marginalize yourself some more for us ... it is instructive.  I hoped that it would be.  You many disagree with my final decison, but you can't deny what I am saying here is true if you'll give it some thought.

21 posted on 06/20/2008 12:19:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ( I say no to the Hillary Clinton wing of the Republican party. Not now or ever, John McCain...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Good points!


22 posted on 06/20/2008 12:22:21 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: apocalypto

Thank you. I appreciate it.


23 posted on 06/20/2008 12:25:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ( I say no to the Hillary Clinton wing of the Republican party. Not now or ever, John McCain...)
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To: DoughtyOne
He even intercedes on behalf of Congressmen that are consumate abortion supporters against organizations trying to end abortions in this nation.

I disagree with McCain-Feingold, but that was what this was about, NOT about abortion rights. His principle about free speech was wrong, but to abandon it because of a specific issue would also be wrong.

Anyway, your list is impressive, although I'm not sure why we are supposed to fault John McCain for voting for a supreme court nominee that was nominated by Ronald Reagan, unless you think RR was some RINO.

24 posted on 06/20/2008 1:25:40 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Charles, the best of Presidents have staff members that aren’t up to par. Perhaps Reagan should have known better with regard to Kennedy, but that’s where the Senate comes in.

They are given the review process for a reason. I will admit to Kennedy being somewhat of a gray area, because I haven’t studied his history. The fact of the matter is, John McCain voted to affirm four of the five worst sitting SCOTUS justices today.

If Kennedy were the only one John had voted for, I grant your arguement makes a lot of sense. Him voting for Ginsberg, Breyer, and Souter on top of Kennedy opens him up to ridicule for voting for all of them.

As for John remaining faithful to McCain/Feingold, he had no stake in the court battle where he filed an amicus brief.

His bill had passed, as I understand it, and he had no call to enter into this case at all.

Just because a person passes some legislation, they aren’t obligated to file an amicus brief for any case that involves it. And John choice of this case to interject his opinion on is disturbing.

Why would he chose to file an arguement against a Right to Life anti abortion organizion? What was the impetus? He could have looked the other way. There was no call for him to be involved that I know if.

If you can provide a reason, perhaps I’ll revise my opinion on it.


25 posted on 06/20/2008 5:36:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ( I say no to the Hillary Clinton wing of the Republican party. Not now or ever, John McCain...)
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