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McCain Promises Hispanics He'll Revive 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' Measures
Publius' Forum ^ | 6/22/08 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 06/22/2008 11:21:50 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

Last year, the so-called Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (Senate bill 1348) went down to a resounding defeat thanks to the vigilance of talk-radio and the blogs. John McCain was a leading voice in favor of passage in the Senate.

Since that defeat, John McCain has claimed that he has "gotten the message" that the country does not want the McCain version of "comprehensive reform" and he has avoided the issue in most campaign appearances.

But Juan McCain still lurks inside of John McCain. Read the rest at Publius' Forum.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; aliens; amnesty; cira; elections; gop; hispanicvote; immigrantlist; immigration; johnmccain; mccain
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Juan McCain is gonna kill the GOP.
1 posted on 06/22/2008 11:21:51 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus

McCain is right. The border does need to be secured first and despite all the hate directed at him Chertoff has done a good job in building the fence. There is a need for a temporary worker program. Not amnesty, but a temporary worker program.


2 posted on 06/22/2008 11:24:37 AM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: Mobile Vulgus; chicagolady; gubamyster; SwinneySwitch; All

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2008/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-this.html

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Activist patriot Rosanna Pulido, who many of us know and love as ‘Chicagolady’ , being hispanic, was invited to one such event in Chicago this week. In an interview with AP, she states,

“He’s one John McCain in front of white Republicans. And he’s a different John McCain in front of Hispanics,” complained Rosanna Pulido, a Hispanic and conservative Republican who attended the meeting.......He’s having his private meetings to rally Hispanics and to tell them what they want to hear,” she said. “I’m outraged that he would reach out to me as a Hispanic but not as a conservative.”

Pulido, who heads the Illinois Minuteman Project, which advocates for restrictive immigration laws, said she thought McCain was “pandering to the crowd” by emphasizing immigration reform in his 15-minute speech.

The Article also states, “ After the event, McCain met privately with Martin Sandoval, an Illinois state senator and Democratic convention delegate for former candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. Sandoval said he left open the possibility of backing McCain, citing his immigration stance and pledge to keep business taxes low.”


3 posted on 06/22/2008 11:25:08 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Barack Obama’s bumpersticker: Honk If You Think I Am Jesus

John McCain’s bumpersticker: Honk If You Want Amnesty for Jesús


4 posted on 06/22/2008 11:25:31 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: MovementConservative
There is no such thing as a "temporary" program of any kind.

How about paying a "living wage" first.

5 posted on 06/22/2008 11:27:04 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: AuntB

Thank-you Chicagolady!!!


6 posted on 06/22/2008 11:28:13 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: MovementConservative

“There is a need for a temporary worker program. Not amnesty, but a temporary worker program.”

How many? How many ‘temporary worker programs’ do we have now? Do you know? Do you know how many people we allow ‘legally’ into this country each year now?

“A Day in the Life of USCIS”- (Is this any way to protect our nation?)
[snip] http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/DayinLife_050629.pdf (click here to see orignial document)

Some of the DAILY work of USIS according to their own document:

* Conduct 135,000 national security background checks

* process 30,000 applications for immigrant benefits

* Issue 7,000 permanent resident cards ( Temporary workers! green cards -PER DAY)

* Welcome 2100 new citizens.

* Welcome 3500 new permanent residents.


7 posted on 06/22/2008 11:28:52 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Juan McCain is gonna kill the GOP.

Only if we(conservatives) let him... with Obama, we won't stand a chance. Remember... all those calls that overloaded Congress's phone lines(McCain/Kennedy Amnesty Bill) weren't just from us. A lot of RAT's and Independents chimed in as well.

8 posted on 06/22/2008 11:30:19 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: MovementConservative

McCain will never make a move to “secure the border first.” He is a liar on that one, for sure. All his actions prove it. His rhetoric is BS.

Amnesty IS the plan and always was. They are just waiting for a later date when they think they can force it through.


9 posted on 06/22/2008 11:30:30 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus

And I’m going to keep my promise to NOT support this sorry RINO turd, Juan McLame.


10 posted on 06/22/2008 11:31:29 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

This is playing out like a cross between a MASH , Catch-22 and Sad Sack script when we need a Rambo, Mr. Smith and John Wayne one.


11 posted on 06/22/2008 11:31:30 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Here we go again...


12 posted on 06/22/2008 11:35:10 AM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: MovementConservative
"McCain is right. The border does need to be secured first ..."

McCain has been dragged kicking to make the statement ... "I will secure the border first because it is what the people want." It is not what he believes or wants! Pandering.

13 posted on 06/22/2008 11:39:06 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The general election in November has become no more than Democrat primary run-off between anti-war Democrat in Obama and pro-war Democrat in McCain.


14 posted on 06/22/2008 11:40:11 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: MovementConservative

McCain is right. The border does need to be secured first and despite all the hate directed at him Chertoff has done a good job in building the fence. There is a need for a temporary worker program. Not amnesty, but a temporary worker program.

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i second the motion.


15 posted on 06/22/2008 11:41:13 AM PDT by Selmore (Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
McCain and Obama at the National Latin Congress in Los Angeles [Communist Party USA-sponsored event]
16 posted on 06/22/2008 11:43:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Obama stole McCain's motto.."Vero Possumus".."Yes, we'll roll over and play dead")
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To: MovementConservative
McCain is right. The border does need to be secured first and despite all the hate directed at him Chertoff has done a good job in building the fence. There is a need for a temporary worker program. Not amnesty, but a temporary worker program.

But that's not what McCain wants. He wants amnesty.

17 posted on 06/22/2008 11:44:08 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: MovementConservative

Bull Butter.


18 posted on 06/22/2008 11:46:47 AM PDT by WildcatClan
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“Juan McCain is gonna kill the GOP.”

Bush Sr - got the gun, Bush Jr. put the bullets in it, and McCain will definitely fire it. If we elect McCain the GOP will be destroyed for decades. He is not the lesser of two evils - he is evil plain and simple. He is far more dangerous than Obama for the simple reason that he will push the GOP to the far left.


19 posted on 06/22/2008 11:48:22 AM PDT by sasafras (Govt. mandated racism = Affirmative Action; Private Business Mandated Racism = Diversity Programs)
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To: Selmore

The problem with a “Temporary Worker Program” is that it is permanent. This is not new. There is a Temporary Worker Program already on the books and has been for decades.

All this does is get them accross the border easier and cheaper, then when they find themselves in the middle of the continent, they simply disappear and hang out with friends or relatives already here. That’s why we have about 30 million of them here now and counting.

And, they will eventually be allowed to vote and some already do. (guess what party?)


20 posted on 06/22/2008 11:49:52 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: Mobile Vulgus
McCain, or Osama will be spending most of their time stifling unrest that will be spreading throughout the country for them to get anything done on "comprehensive immigration reform measures".

The "winner" had better take a vacation before January's swearing in.

I've got a feeling he is going to need it for the coming four years.

21 posted on 06/22/2008 11:51:27 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: sasafras

bttt


22 posted on 06/22/2008 11:52:02 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: MovementConservative
There is a need for a temporary worker program. Not amnesty, but a temporary worker program.

A temporary worker program is only a band-aid to a much bigger problem: Mexico. (Plus, when have you ever heard of a U.S. government program that is actually "temporary"?)

With such a disparity of economic opportunity (maybe "freedom" is a better word) between the U.S. and Mexico, it's no wonder that Mexicans and others from further south are so willing to risk life and limb to illegally enter the United States. There are only two ways to fix this: either lower the U.S. to Mexico's level, or bring Mexico to the level of U.S. (or high enough, at least, that the inducement for Mexicans to leave their own country is reduced significantly).

23 posted on 06/22/2008 11:52:14 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Just when some of you Freepers thought it was safe to vote for McCain!!


24 posted on 06/22/2008 11:52:26 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: MovementConservative
There is a need for a temporary worker program. Not amnesty, but a temporary worker program.

I can live with that.. but do you understand why some of us want the border secured FIRST?

25 posted on 06/22/2008 11:53:52 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: rabscuttle385; MovementConservative
There are only two ways to fix this: either lower the U.S. to Mexico's level, or bring Mexico to the level of U.S. (or high enough, at least, that the inducement for Mexicans to leave their own country is reduced significantly).

One thing that I forgot to add: our politicians (such as Mr. McCain) appear to favor choosing the former option, i.e., lowering the United States to the level of Mexico.

26 posted on 06/22/2008 11:54:12 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: MovementConservative
"Not amnesty, but a temporary worker program."

It's amnesty is you grant those here illegally, access to a temporary worker program.

27 posted on 06/22/2008 11:54:22 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The GOP has been in its death throes for quite some time. Juan will only hasten its end. And to be quite honest not a tear will be shed by this (little “r”) republican!


28 posted on 06/22/2008 12:06:36 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?")
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Juan McCain is gonna kill the GOP.

George W. Bush beat him to it.

29 posted on 06/22/2008 12:07:03 PM PDT by South40
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To: Mobile Vulgus

A new comprhensive reform ?
Just wait and see after the elections.
First beat Oubama


30 posted on 06/22/2008 12:10:00 PM PDT by Ulysse
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To: Mobile Vulgus

31 posted on 06/22/2008 12:10:56 PM PDT by South40
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To: MovementConservative

no need for a temporary visa program either. they all need to be kicked out.


32 posted on 06/22/2008 12:20:15 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: MovementConservative
There is a need for a temporary worker program.

That's what work visas are for. There is no need for new legislation, IMO.

33 posted on 06/22/2008 12:24:23 PM PDT by calcowgirl (Schwarzenegger and McCain are trying to castrate the elephant)
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To: johnny7
Will McCain's new amnesty proposal include terrorists, gang bangers and criminals like the last one did?

Here are the Senators who voted against the Cornyn amendment , which would have established a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals looking to snag a shamnesty visa. Republicans underlined:

Never forget McCain not only pushed the amnesty bill, he refused to allow exclusions for the worst of the lot. And he unloaded his infamous temper on his mild-mannered senate colleague for having the audacity to introduce this amendment.

34 posted on 06/22/2008 12:26:15 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: Selmore

you understand the next big wave of mexicans will start in only a few short years when petrobas runs out of oil. they’re currently experiencing a decline in oil production of about 10% annually. mostly the reason for this is that petrobas skims off all the profits for government agencies. basically it pays most of the taxes in mexico. they don’t invest money in more drilling. so 5-7 years from now the country is going bankrupt. that will drive millions more mexicans north.

think this country will need more guest workers —99.9% of whom don’t have the skills needed for 21st century USA? 10% of whom are criminals?

McCain like bush is a NAU guy. He believes in the free flow of workers across borders—just like in europe.

Only for the USA its an entirely bad deal.


35 posted on 06/22/2008 12:27:57 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: MovementConservative
You spot on. McCain is not a pie in the sky reality idealist. He is dealing with what can work. A good temporary worker system is possible with on the self technology. Think credit cards.

Those who think a 12 foot fense across our southern boarder will be the fix, have not been along our southern boarder. They would be the first to whine about all the prickly cactus plants going through their tennis shoes. The fact is we will not, because of the physical terrain, build a solid fense. You can't build fense in the middle of the Rio Grande. So much for pie in the sky. . .

We can secure the boarder with virtual boarder techniques which are still being developed. I challange my arm chair nay sayers to submit their virtual border devices to the United States Border Control. Otherwise, save their pissy statements that scapegoat McCain for our difficult southern border situation, to themselves.

36 posted on 06/22/2008 12:33:08 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Juan McCain is gonna kill the GOP.

How can you kill something that's already dead? The GOP's heart stopped about the time Dennis Hastert took over as House Speaker. That was a clear flatline signal.

37 posted on 06/22/2008 12:34:03 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Biblebelter

“The general election in November has become no more than Democrat primary run-off between anti-war Democrat in Obama and pro-war Democrat in McCain.”

You’re exactly right, and McCain is actually a Democrat, only the military tradition in his family, and the “loathing” the military tradition in the Democrat party since the ‘60s, make the Dem. party just too unpalatable for McCain. So, he squats in the Republican party and pretends to be one, while constantly stabbing his party in the back and sucking up to the liberal media.

He’s a lying little weasel, and his reversal on securing the border first since getting the nomination, and his bald faced lies about Romney before the Florida primary just paint him for what he is, and always has been.


38 posted on 06/22/2008 12:36:10 PM PDT by Will88
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To: jonrick46

“We can secure the boarder with virtual boarder techniques which are still being developed.”

Yeah right! You must have missed the news about the grand success, er, I mean the grand failure of the virtual fence Boeing was installing recently. Project abandoned.

But hope, or self-delusion, or outright deliberate deceit springs eternal. Recall the great success of the “McNamara Wall” designed to stop the infiltration of South Vietnam by the North?

This virtual fence nonsense is nothing but a ruse to waste time on a plan they know will not work, and to avoid building a real fence because the know it will be very effective.


39 posted on 06/22/2008 12:41:46 PM PDT by Will88
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To: ckilmer

I thought Petrobas was Brazilian.


40 posted on 06/22/2008 12:43:32 PM PDT by OBXWanderer (www.dontvoterino.com)
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To: Will88
As I said, virtual border techniques are still being developed! It is not easy, as we both know. If anyone has something to offer, they can submit their ideas to the United States Border Control. People need to know that making things work don't always come with the click of a microwave start button. We need to be patient. Otherwise, if they are not having enough fun, stand up, kick themselves in the rear, and sit back down.
41 posted on 06/22/2008 1:06:01 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: jonrick46

I got a call from CNN today (Sunday) they want to interview me on AMERICAN MORNING to talk about the meeting I was at Wednesday evening in Chicago at the Drake hotel with Juan Mc Cain

Monday morning at 5:55 am
(Chicago Time)


42 posted on 06/22/2008 1:53:26 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: jonrick46

I got a call from CNN today (Sunday) they want to interview me on AMERICAN MORNING to talk about the meeting I was at Wednesday evening in Chicago at the Drake hotel with Juan Mc Cain

Monday morning at 5:55 am
(Chicago Time)


43 posted on 06/22/2008 1:53:27 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

BTT!!!


44 posted on 06/22/2008 2:11:21 PM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: jonrick46

“As I said, virtual border techniques are still being developed! It is not easy, as we both know. If anyone has something to offer, they can submit their ideas to the United States Border Control. People need to know that making things work don’t always come with the click of a microwave start button. We need to be patient.”

DHS won’t even listen to the Border Patrol (Border Control??) they sure won’t listen to us. Our own prez candidate won’t listen to us. Just how ‘patient’ do you suppose we must be?

Patience, tolerance, all that good stuff got us here. Do you know what 20 million illegal aliens looks like?

That is the population of 18 states....EIGHTEEN! Any more patience and we can just give them the rest of the country.


45 posted on 06/22/2008 2:14:46 PM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Won't take much force. No matter what pig oinks into the white House in January.
46 posted on 06/22/2008 2:22:50 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: Red_Devil 232
Not pandering. Lying. And McCain is a pro at it.
47 posted on 06/22/2008 2:24:12 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: Selmore
We don't need borders. People are not illegal. We must bring our amigos out of the shadows. Family values do not end at the border. We owe these people free health care, education, and support. We must assimilate into their superior culture. Cheap labor and the bottom line trump that antiquated, nativist notion of sovereignty every time. Viva Juan McCain! Reconquista!
48 posted on 06/22/2008 2:28:52 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: G.Mason
There will be no unrest. There are no men left in America. Roll over and submit. That's what will happen. As a good conservative, you must never question the authorities.
49 posted on 06/22/2008 2:31:08 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Well mccain can bring it up but as long as we elect enough GOP Senators back like last time it won’t go anywhere. It’s just that after eight years of beating back amnesty attempts how many times do you have to tell these clowns NO?


50 posted on 06/22/2008 2:31:14 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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