Posted on 06/24/2008 7:21:37 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
Fur Shur they'd be closed down if there was smoking going on in the waiting room.
I’d like someone to try to explain to me the difference: stabbing to death a living fetus in the womb or stabbing to death a newborne baby outside the womb.
Both are murder. By legalizing, promoting, and supporting abortion, our “government by the people” has brought untold misery onto our Country — and it isn’t over yet.
I will never knowing vote for anyone who supports abortion. First things first, we have GOT to stop this murder.
So you have no problem with Tiller’s partial birth abortion activities where they deliver the viable baby up to the neck, puncture the base of it’s skull and suck the brains out? Fifteen years ago that didn’t sound believable either, but it happens.
“So you have no problem with Tiller’s partial birth abortion activities...”
Are you a member of Operation Rescue? It appears you both make crap up at will.
No buddy, I’m pro-life. I just hate liars who admit they want to have the power to take licenses and shut down facilities based in THEIR allegations alone.
The difference between me and the others on this thread is that I don’t want these allegations to be true and there is plenty in the press release to support my assertions. I am alone in that regard. My how FReepers do love their dead-baby porn.
Operation Rescue releases this crap to get gullible people like FReeeprs to give them money.
Whatever. You’re obviously one of those people who thinks Tiller is just misunderstood. You don’t sound particularly pro-life either.
“Whatever. You’re obviously one of those people who thinks Tiller is just misunderstood.”
What do any of my comments have to do with Tiller? You have amazing clairvoyance to be able to ascertain that given that I have not said a word about him. My posts have been about Operation Rescue and this highly suspect press release.
On a side note, you people piss me off for having to even be in this position. You have no interest in honesty when your pet causes are involved. Eventually, someone like me comes along, uses a little common sense and says, “Gee, this press release has all the signs of BS propaganda.” Nobody cares, though. They want it to be true so they ignore logic and reason and I find that sickening.
“You don’t sound particularly pro-life either.”
I’m not the one obsessed with dead babies to the point of compulsion.
Great comment! I definitely second this sentiment.
So, why are you even on this thread? Why don’t you harass others who say live born infants are discarded and left to die?
As far as pissing you off, as you so eloquently put it, boofrickenhoo. I doubt I’ll lose sleep over it.
Cheers.
“So, why are you even on this thread?”
Originally I was here to share my opinion of this release and now I’m here defending that opinion.
“Why don’t you harass others who say live born infants are discarded and left to die?”
Hey, YOU posted to me first. All I’ve done is answer all your posts. What you call “harassment” most people call “conversation”.
“As far as pissing you off, as you so eloquently put it, boofrickenhoo. I doubt I’ll lose sleep over it.”
Come on, not even a little?
Only with enough coffee.
Wasn't aware of that. Thanks!
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Since clearly abortion is a black and white topic to all of you, I will tell you now, I don’t consider myself “Pro-choiceâ€. I consider myself a well educated, moral, mother of a child that was born with severe congenital birth defects. My child has had several open heart surgeries and will require more with age. My child almost has severe neurobiological issues. I took exceptional care of myself while I was pregnant and even had I known the out come of my child’s life I would have NEVER considered abortion. That said, you continue to talk about George Tiller like he is some sort of modern day Adolph Hitler. Not once have I seen in this thread any of you mention that fact that George Tiller wouldn’t have a business if women weren’t coming to his clinic to have their fetus removed from their bodies. Why would George Tiller or any of his abortionist paint a target on the chest of a newborn? He doesn’t seek these women out and cut the fetuses from their bodies against their will! They come to him for a service he provides. I have never had an abortion, but I know Dr Tiller. He has adult children, living and practicing medicine here in good Wichita! In fact, you probably go to a clinic here in the city that Dr. Tiller himself partically owns. You act as though these women are victims of Dr. Tiller. What if your daughter, sister, mother, niece, close female friend or God forbid YOU were raped and a life was created in that horribly violent moment. You mean to tell me you wouldn’t have an abortion. you would carry the child of the man that stole every ounce of security you had and you’d be happy to do so? What if you already had a child and you discovered you were pregnant again, but the pregnancy was so dangerous that your doctor told you only one of you would survive? you would have to choose between the fetus inside of you or yourself. You would sacrifice yourself and leave your children to grow up without their mother, your husband to be forced to be the soul caregiver? What about a 12 year old little girl who gets molested and raped? is it her duty to carry a child, give birth to it, know that she’s a mother at such a young age? On the other hand I guess if abortion was illegal and all women that got pregnant had to have their children that would be just as bad. They rate of child “disappearance†and murder would certainly increase. Sure, some would give their children up for adoption, but some would keep the baby. They would reject the child, resent the child, neglect the child and eventually the child would grow up and became a parent themselves with no idea of what i vicious cycle they were about to repeat. I guess what I am getting as is, abortion is NOT a black and white subject. In fact all most every part of life is a gray area. You may feel like you have room to judge someone, but remember - EVERYONE has something in there life that they are not only ashamed of but don’t have the courage or strength to admit in a public setting. When you vocalize your moral beliefs someone is bound to be offended. While freedom of speech is one of our countries greatest freedoms, it is undoubtedly the reason that hate and intolerance in our society is widely accepted. When you make statements to a religious kind about the impending doom of mankind you may be saying it within ear shot of someone who you could have led to Christ but seeing the kind of “Christian†life you are leading, they want nothing to do with it. A long the way you have lost site of the fact that there is only one being that has the power to judge a single living being, it’s not YOU! It’s Christ! so walk proud with your head held high that you are superior to someone else because you’ve never walked a mile in their shoes. You too shall be judged and the final judgment against you may not be kind!
“I suppose after 1973 we could now tidy up every undesirable problem by snuffing out the evidence of said problem. The poor little unborn who was the burden, the inconvenience, the embarrassment - now could be quietly done away with - no messy details to deal with?”
I hardly feel like a 12 year old that is molested and raped feels it is a burden, an inconvenience, an embarrassment to give birth to a child. They probably feel violated, disgusting and embarrassed. I think that if you were the mother of said 12 year old you'd feel a little differently!
I'm agnostic, so I’m not too current on what's new in the bible, but last I knew - the bible verse went “Judge not, that ye be not judged” No where in the following verses does it say “except those YOU consider to be murders.” I believe it was said in Psalms “God Himself is judge.” if that leaves room for pro-lifers to think that they get to sneak judgments in too, in the book of Romans it says “Only God, as the Supreme Ruler, has the right to so judge men and determine their eternal destinies.” It seems like, for whatever reason followers of the pro-life movement think that they get some say in what God decides for Dr. Tiller and the willing participants in his clinical endeavors.
(unfortunately, the bible was shoved down my throat since I was old enough to speak, which resulted in a move to a truer lifestyle as agnostic. The books of the scriptures are right though, if you want to check it out.)
“Using euphemisms like ‘providing a service’ serves to sanitize and distance one from the actual, unspeakable horror which occurs on a daily basis.”
I'm not sanitizing anything, I work in the medical field and I know all about the little limbs being ripped from the little torso and the brains being sucked out through a hole in the back of the skull during a parcial-birth abortion. Just like the woman in the tape claiming that the Sella stabbed the child in the chest with a “utensil” and it stopped moving. Some details maybe played up or made more gruesome than they truly are. Abortion is a bloody, nasty, sad mess, yes. The fact is the “educational literature” provided by pro-life followers at protest if more often than not played up and made more gruesome to be more shocking a disgusting. I will say it's not 100% propaganda, but saying it's less than 50% is just as untrue! Someone in the medical field would not use the term “utensil” in the operating room they will tell you “utensils are for eating dinner, instruments are for saving lives”
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