[Uncle Ralph]

At IslamTomorrow.com Sheik Yusuf Estes writes:

"Revert" As Opposed to "Convert" [to Islam]

I like to use the word "revert" as opposed to the word "convert" as it more suits the occasion of a person returning back to his natural condition at birth. The baby is born in true surrender, submission, obedience and peace with his Creator. And this is the desirable position of the Muslim, to be in peace and submission to the Will of Allah (God in English). Instead of thinking in terms of "converting" people over to Islam, it is better understood that they are simply returning back to their natural state at birth. And this is from the teachings of our beloved prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him. (Muslims should always say "Peace be upon him/them" when referring to any of the prophets).

Like A Baby

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Every child is born on the "fitrah" (natural inclination) of "Islam" (surrender, submission and peace to the Creator on His Terms). And it is their parents who raise them up to be Jews, Christians or fire worshippers."

From the Sheik's perspective, EVERYONE is BORN Muslim.

So what the hey?

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

That was one of the most amazing things I learned in Saudi. According to Islam, yes we are all born Islamic but some turn away. I don't have the exact reference still but they did tell me that if a Muslim kills a reverter before they come back to Islam, the Muslim goes to hell. How they difference between killing a reverter and an infidel isn't exactly clear to them. They mostly give an “ I’ll get back to you on that one “ answer to that question.

[piasa]

He might be right-- babies are completely selfish ..."it's all about me" is the mindset. They cry at all hours to be fed, cuddled and cleaned and all without any concern for the needs of others. They poop in their own pants, wet beds, and spit up on people trying to help them.

They have to be taught to be patient, to be respectful, to be honest, to clean up their own messes, to selflessly do things for others, to resist peer pressure, to resist the urge to hit their siblings, etc.

[popdonnelly]

“The baby is born in true surrender, submission, obedience and peace with his Creator.”

What babies does the Sheik know? I guess his wife (wives) does (do) all the child raising.