I should have said that it is impossible for a Christian to be part of their endorsement and/or advancement and still be pleasing to God.
Christ's purpose was not political and I never said that it was. But when we are aligned with Christ, through saving faith, our hearts and minds are renewed and transformed so that we do not find the "hope" and "change" offered by a socialist homosexual-agenda-pushing abortionist acceptable or appealing.
In regards to being "devisive", what I mean is that I don't want it to be an issue when I'm witnessing to someone. If someone doesn't like conservatives for whatever reason then I don't want that to be an issue between them and their salvation
Man...you seem to be all over the place.
So don't bring up politics when giving the Gospel. I find your comment really strange, anyways. So...do you hold to a firm position on anything lest someone be offended? The entire article is about left wing "Christians" voting for Obama. McLaren and his ilk are not afraid to espouse their false teachings and opinions - political and/or otherwise.
Besides...The Gospel is offensive in itself. The world hates Christ and His Gospel. It will offend them. Does that prevent you from giving the biblical Gospel?
And...I think that some people are more concerned, today, about not potentially offending people than they are about not offending God.
By the way McLaren does not believe: in a literal hell, that homosexuality is a sin, that the Church has ever presented the real Gospel, that Universalism is virtuous, that the rapture will occur, and many other key doctrines of historic orthodox Christianity. He is not one to follow. In fact, Romans tells us to mark him and avoid him.
By the way, to believe that you could come between someone and their salvation is, I believe, biblically impossible. Read John 6:38-44, John 1:12, and Acts 13:48. All that the Father gives to the Son will come to Him and He will raise them up at the last day. Man cannot thwart the work of God and salvation is a work of God.
Is it possible for a Christian to make a mistake?
So...you agree that it would be a mistake for a Christian to vote for Obama, now? Earlier, you seemed to be advocating that it would be "throwing stones" to make such a judgement. Don't you think that some people mind find your judgement offensive?
Guilliani got no traction as a Republican candidate because of his liberal views and Schwartzeneggar is bankrupting Califorinia - fiscally and morally. Christian or non-Christian, alike, are crazy for supporting either of these gentleman.
Agreed.
I should have said that it is impossible for a Christian to be part of their endorsement and/or advancement and still be pleasing to God.
Agreed.
Christ's purpose was not political and I never said that it was. But when we are aligned with Christ, through saving faith, our hearts and minds are renewed and transformed so that we do not find the "hope" and "change" offered by a socialist homosexual-agenda-pushing abortionist acceptable or appealing.
I agree with that too.
Man...you seem to be all over the place.
I have ADD. :)
So don't bring up politics when giving the Gospel. I find your comment really strange, anyways. So...do you hold to a firm position on anything lest someone be offended? The entire article is about left wing "Christians" voting for Obama. McLaren and his ilk are not afraid to espouse their false teachings and opinions - political and/or otherwise.
And we should confront them and correct them for Christ's sake not for a political party's sake. My concern is that the face of Christianity in popular culture is political and centered around abortion and homosexuality and that's not the core of Christianity.
Do we have free will in accepting grace? I believe so and if that's the case then it would seem to matter how we are perceived. If we have no free will in this regard then it doesn't matter.
Before I was saved I had a negative view of Christianity because I didn't understand it. When I was at the lowest point in my life I was loved by real Christians and my eyes were opened to Christ and I accepted Christ. (I was raised as a "Christian" but didn't have a relationship with Christ and became atheist during my early adulthood.)
Besides...The Gospel is offensive in itself. The world hates Christ and His Gospel. It will offend them. Does that prevent you from giving the biblical Gospel?
Of course I wouldn't be prevented from sharing the Gospel because it is offensive, but I disagree that it is offensive. I think it's beautifull.
And...I think that some people are more concerned, today, about not potentially offending people than they are about not offending God.
You may be right about that, and that's a problem.
By the way McLaren does not believe: in a literal hell, that homosexuality is a sin, that the Church has ever presented the real Gospel, that Universalism is virtuous, that the rapture will occur, and many other key doctrines of historic orthodox Christianity. He is not one to follow. In fact, Romans tells us to mark him and avoid him.
By the way, to believe that you could come between someone and their salvation is, I believe, biblically impossible. Read John 6:38-44, John 1:12, and Acts 13:48. All that the Father gives to the Son will come to Him and He will raise them up at the last day. Man cannot thwart the work of God and salvation is a work of God.
I won't disagree with that but something I'm confused about is the importance of being a witness if there is no effect (besides obviously being commanded to do so). Honestly that confuses me.
There are people in my bible study group who have differing positions on free will and it allways seems to come up.
So...you agree that it would be a mistake for a Christian to vote for Obama, now?
I allways have. When did I suggest otherwise? Again my very broad point is that I have concerns about our faith and politics.
Earlier, you seemed to be advocating that it would be "throwing stones" to make such a judgement. Don't you think that some people mind find your judgement offensive?
The "throwing stones" comment was in regards to the point that Christians don't sin.
Guilliani got no traction as a Republican candidate because of his liberal views and Schwartzeneggar is bankrupting Califorinia - fiscally and morally. Christian or non-Christian, alike, are crazy for supporting either of these gentleman.
I agree with that.