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Obama Praised Wright, Criticized Traditional Black Churches (Says These Churches Are "Homophobic"
CNSNews ^ | May 29, 2008 | Penny Starr

Posted on 07/05/2008 9:22:19 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

In an Apr. 10 interview with The Advocate magazine, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said "homophobic" messages are coming from the pulpits of black churches because "most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in their interpretations of Scripture." In the same interview, Obama praised the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor and long-time spiritual adviser, for being on the right side of the homosexual debate.

... Obama volunteered that his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was "very good on gay and lesbian issues."

... Black leaders and clregy reacted to Obama's remarks to The Advocate, saying they contradict the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

"The new definition of 'homophobic' means anyone who stands against homosexuality as a sin is homophobic," Rev. Ken Hutcherson, founder and senior pastor of Antioch Bible Church in Redmond Wash., told Cybercast News Servive. "That gives two choices to African-American pastors. They can either be Scriptural and demand righteousness from their flock, or they can drop Scripture and righteousness and support homosexuality."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2008; barackobama; blackchurch; election; electionpresident; elections; homosexualagenda; jeremiahwright; moralabsolutes; obama; obamatruthfile; religiousleft; revwright; sin; wright
Obama decides to bash black Christians, and engage in an anti-Christian rant. I guess we could say that Barack Obama is Christophobic. I mean, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Mychal Massie, chairman of the black conservative think tank Project 21, and Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson took Obama to task as well.

1 posted on 07/05/2008 9:22:19 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: All

Obama has quoted scripture while on the campaign trail, talks about his faith and the Bible, so he needs to provide scriptures from the Bible that condone homosexuality.

BTW, there aren’t any scriptures that condone homosexuality.


2 posted on 07/05/2008 9:24:12 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: wagglebee; scripter

Moral Absolutes ping.


3 posted on 07/05/2008 9:26:34 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
"Homophobic"

No wonder Barack Hussein visited Larry Sinclair for play time more than one. He is not afraid of homosexuals.
4 posted on 07/05/2008 9:26:41 AM PDT by jrooney (Obama's mentor says God Da*n America. That explains Obama's refusal to put his hand over his heart.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’m glad to see he is praising Rev. Wright again. We need Jerimiah back in the news cylce.


5 posted on 07/05/2008 9:27:49 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Keep talkin’ Barry, keep talkin’.

You are your own worst enemy.


6 posted on 07/05/2008 9:27:57 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
BTW, there aren’t any scriptures that condone homosexuality.

Well Obama says Jesus preached acceptance of homosexuality.

Blasphemer!! should be his middle name, not Hussein.

Barack Blasphemer Obama.

7 posted on 07/05/2008 9:30:14 AM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

How do you interpret the Bible saying homosexuality is wrong? Is it up for interpretation?

Oh yeah, these are the people who interpret the Constitution.


8 posted on 07/05/2008 9:31:24 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in their interpretations of Scripture

God's truth is eternal, unchanging. The only acceptable "interpretation" is going back to the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek, to try to tease out subtleties that our language does not capture well. If Obama seems to believe that the Bible is a "living document" in the same sense that he obvioiusly believes the Constitution to be a "living document," he's as much a Christian as he is a Constitutionalist.

9 posted on 07/05/2008 9:32:18 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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10 posted on 07/05/2008 9:32:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
BTW, there aren’t any scriptures that condone homosexuality.

I beg to differ. There are plenty of scriptures that not only support homosexuality but promote it as well. It just takes someone with the great intellectual capacity for nuance to understand them.

11 posted on 07/05/2008 9:38:25 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Obama praised the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor and long-time spiritual adviser, for being on the right side of the homosexual debate.

Sorry, Obama. If you're on the side opposite of what God has stated, you might as well forget about being right.

12 posted on 07/05/2008 9:38:54 AM PDT by Faith
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To: autumnraine; All

Those that say that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality (when in fact, it does) have yet to provide one scripture that condones homosexuality, from either the New or Old Testament/Torah.

Barack Obama would put people on the courts like the Governor of Colorado who signed legislation that would fine businesses that display church flyers, literature, etc, deemed to be anti-homosexual.

Obama would no doubt like to ram his vision down the throats of churches and Americans that have taken a stand for righteousness (and engaged in free speech) for centuries in America.

Obama is for free speech, right?


13 posted on 07/05/2008 9:39:22 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Larry Sinclair’s statements note that the Choir Director of Obie’s church claimed a relationship with Obie. Wonder why Obie accused all other black church’s of being Homophobic?
thats VERY Un Christianlike behavior and very despicable behavior for a self-proclaimed Uniter and PO**S want-abe!
The Director, a Mr. Young, met an untimely death that appears to be a homicide a year or two ago.


14 posted on 07/05/2008 9:39:23 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: tbpiper
Nuance... lol.

The Apostle Peter said something about those who would come that would wrest the scriptures from their original meaning.

I've never seen one word from Jesus in the scriptures where he condoned homosexuality.

15 posted on 07/05/2008 9:41:33 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama has a habit of saying completely contradictory things to different groups as if either he hasn’t heard of the internet and the pajama media or as if he believes each group will think to themselves, “He’s lying to those other groups to get elected but I know he’s telling the truth to me.” Are we really that stupid?


16 posted on 07/05/2008 9:43:14 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said "homophobic" messages are coming from
the pulpits of black churches because "most African-American
churches are still fairly traditional in their interpretations of Scripture.


Thanks Senator Obama!
For admitting (by implication) that it's the gay-oriented churches
that are the ones with the screwed-up interpretation of the scriptures!
17 posted on 07/05/2008 9:44:52 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

File under -— More trash talk from Hussein


18 posted on 07/05/2008 9:47:19 AM PDT by dennisw (Barack Obama: A Phony Smile in an Empty Suit)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I've never seen one word from Jesus in the scriptures where he condoned homosexuality.

Jesus would no doubt have loved the sinner, but admonished the sinner to go forth and sin no more. Obama seems to think that expecting repentance is "hate." He conflates the sin with the sinner.

19 posted on 07/05/2008 9:49:11 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Excellent points.


20 posted on 07/05/2008 9:53:35 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I've never seen one word from Jesus in the scriptures where he condoned homosexuality.

Completely agree. The Bible and for that matter, our Constitution, generally means what it says. When that causes someone difficulty in living a lifestyle, they will resort to 'higher criticism', nuance, and any other kind of intellectual gymnastics to make it mean what they want it to. I give for example someone questioning the utterly simple meaning of the word 'is'.

21 posted on 07/05/2008 10:01:24 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“I mean he’s one of the leaders in the African-American community of embracing, speaking out against homophobia, and talking about the importance of AIDS.”
So,,,,,, Obamy believes Wright’s statements that Whitey created Aids to decimate the Black population?


22 posted on 07/05/2008 10:03:17 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

didn’t you know the sermon on the mount condones homosexuality? (at least according to Obama, he has used this scripture in support of his pro homosexual agenda)


23 posted on 07/05/2008 10:09:46 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Once he said the Sermon On The Mount condoned homosexuality. Of course, if you read the Sermon On The Mount, you know that is not true.


24 posted on 07/05/2008 10:25:15 AM PDT by Pinkbell (Don't blame me, I supported Duncan Hunter.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
In an Apr. 10 interview with The Advocate magazine, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said "homophobic" messages are coming from the pulpits of black churches because "most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in their interpretations of Scripture." In the same interview, Obama praised the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor and long-time spiritual adviser, for being on the right side of the homosexual debate.


25 posted on 07/05/2008 10:26:02 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I wonder what Obama will do to traditional churches that don’t line up behind his agenda for government funding. I don’t trust him a bit.


26 posted on 07/05/2008 10:29:58 AM PDT by Pinkbell (Don't blame me, I supported Duncan Hunter.)
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To: tbpiper
It just takes someone with the great intellectual capacity for nuance to understand them.

You mean "context".

...(ponder)

...

Yes, that's something Obama keeps claiming about his own statements too.
I think he'd say just about anything to any group to please them.

PS: What's that tell you about the potential future of his foreign policies?
27 posted on 07/05/2008 10:46:56 AM PDT by Dominnae (This is my opinion, and worth every penny you paid for it.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I still would like to see Obamama on the cover of the Advocate.

That would be nice treat for those who still doubt his support for the LBGT society.


28 posted on 07/05/2008 11:05:37 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: Fox_Mulder77
Barack Blasphemer Obama.

I like the new name! And, obviously, if the Blasphemer can try to change that Scripture—which one next?

29 posted on 07/05/2008 11:11:36 AM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Rev. Ken Hutcherson..."That gives two choices to African-American pastors. They can either be Scriptural and demand righteousness from their flock, or they can drop Scripture and righteousness and support homosexuality."

The more one learns about the Tolerance United Church of Wright, the greater the percentage of homosexual members becomes evident. Combined with the theology they embrace, it's obvious that scripture means absolutely nothing to this church.

30 posted on 07/05/2008 2:10:43 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

He’s certainly full of put-downs - another fine example from his church, I suppose.


31 posted on 07/05/2008 2:13:44 PM PDT by JavaJumpy (Let's have a whinefest, shall we? Mark Levin)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Wasn't he a Malcolm fan at Occindental college?

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“I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites,” he wrote.

Yet, even through high school, he continued to vacillate between the twin strands of his racial identity.

“I learned to slip back and forth between my black and white worlds,” he wrote in “Dreams.” “One of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

Although Obama spent various portions of his youth living with his white maternal grandfather and Indonesian stepfather, he vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

Obama said he and other blacks were careful not to second-guess their own racial identity in front of whites.

“To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred,” he wrote.

After his sophomore year, Obama transferred to Columbia University. Later, looking back on his years in New York City, he recalled: “I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.”

His pessimism about race relations seemed to pervade his worldview.

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

32 posted on 07/05/2008 2:34:05 PM PDT by ameagle
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Homophobic! Homophobic! Bigot!

Say it enough and enough idiots may believe you.

Wise people had better be “homophobes.” Engaging in that behavior is the top means of transmission of HIV - a deadly virus, in case you haven't heard.

33 posted on 07/05/2008 6:37:18 PM PDT by fwdude (If marriage can mean anything, then marriage means nothing.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Jesus would no doubt have loved the sinner, but admonished the sinner to go forth and sin no more. Obama seems to think that expecting repentance is "hate." He conflates the sin with the sinner.

IMHO, Christianity might best be summed up as "God loves repentant sinners". Simple slogan that should be used more often in front of churches, since it immediately dispels claims that denouncing sin as bad goes against the commandment to love sinners. God loves repentant sinners; to deny sinners the knowledge that sin is bad is to deny them the means of redemption.

34 posted on 07/06/2008 2:51:51 PM PDT by supercat
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To: autumnraine; Laissez-faire capitalist

I’ve had the rather uncomfortable opportunity to discuss this issue with a Pastor (at my now former church).

Her explanation was that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality explicitly, but rather condemns the submission that was inherent to the acts at the time. Apparently she holds that if homosexuals treat each other as equals, the Bible says nothing about it.

She also indicated that since Jesus didn’t contradict that interpretation, she was inclined to hold to it. I simply pointed out that I couldn’t distinguish one part of the Lord’s word (the red letters) from the rest of the Bible. It’s either all God breathed or it’s all man.

Needless to say, I disagreed with the position.

I want to be clear on one point. I didn’t leave because of the pastor’s position on homosexuality, though I disagreed with it. I left because of the theological reasoning used to reach the position. That kind of reasoning leads to a wide array of abuses of the Word, and the creation of a Savior that is not also a King.


35 posted on 07/14/2008 8:15:32 AM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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