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Commission: New War Powers for Congress
The Hill ^ | 07/08/08 | Michael O’Brien

Posted on 07/08/2008 1:02:49 PM PDT by K-oneTexas



A bipartisan commission of high-profile congressional and White House alumni released a report Tuesday calling for the repeal of the 1973 War Powers Resolution. The National War Powers Commission, co-chaired by former Secretaries of State James Baker (R) and Warren Christopher (D), wants the next Congress to enact the War Power Consultation Act. This act would require the president to “consult” with a defined, permanent joint committee of congressional leaders before engaging in a “significant armed conflict” lasting longer than a week. “This is a practical solution to a theoretical debate,” Baker said. He noted that the conclusions of the committee were unanimous, and said the rule of law is “undermined” by the current War Powers Resolution. “From the standpoint of Congress, [the new act] gives Congress a seat at the table in deciding whether or not to go to war,” Christopher said. The act would establish a “Joint Congressional Consultation Committee,” consisting of the Speaker of the House, the Senate majority leader, the minority leaders of both chambers and the chairmen and ranking members of the House and Senate Foreign Affairs, Armed Services, Intelligence and Appropriations committees, with which the president would have to consult before going to war. The new law would require the Congress to pass a concurrent resolution approving the conflict within 30 days of the consultation if it does not expressly authorize the conflict or declare war. If such a resolution were to fail, the Congress could opt to pass a resolution of disapproval. If that resolution was approved, the president would have the option of vetoing it. Congress could then attempt to override the veto. It’s unclear exactly what might happen in that scenario, although the report suggests the override would not be binding on the president.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; president; warpowers
Editor's Note: It's official, James Baker has lost his mind. To suggest such a usurpation of the Executive Branch's constitutionally mandated charge, to completely ignore the fact that the president holds a dual role as both president and Commander-in-Chief, to disregard that the Framers specifically charged one man and not a committee with commanding the military, is either the height of ignorance or a deliberate attempt to circumvent the Constitution. If Congress doesn't want to support a military action engaged by the Commander-in-Chief they have the power to defund that engagement. That's all they are constitutionally enabled to do. This act, this suggestion is unconstitutional at the very least and an act of the Fifth Column at it's best.
1 posted on 07/08/2008 1:02:49 PM PDT by K-oneTexas
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To: K-oneTexas

So if we want to invade a country to protect ourselves we have to give Congress 30 days to leak the date and time of the invasion?


2 posted on 07/08/2008 1:08:10 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: rocksblues

Government of The Commission, by The Commission and for The Commission ... so the President is no more. :)


3 posted on 07/08/2008 1:17:16 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
“From the standpoint of Congress, [the new act] gives Congress a seat at the table in deciding whether or not to go to war,” Christopher said.

Constitutionally Congress should have the sole seat at the table in deciding whether or not to go to war. Article I, Section 9.

4 posted on 07/08/2008 1:22:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: K-oneTexas

Separated at birth?

5 posted on 07/08/2008 1:24:16 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
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To: K-oneTexas

This is silly beyond silly.

This pretends that the reason we are in Iraq is that congress wasn’t consulted. Bush never did anything without consulting with them. They voted for it. They voted for it again and again.

And, remember, it was they who passed the resolution calling for the overthrow of Saddam. What did they think they were saying?

But I also remember that after they voted for war, several high-profile Dems ran straight outside from their “yes” vote to jump in front of a camera to speak out against the war they had moments before voted to commence.

There is no legal or constitutional corrective for this kind of mendacity. The law works. The constitution works. The people who voted for the war are trying to claim they had no responsibility for it. But they are lying, of course, and no law in the world can un-lie a lie.


6 posted on 07/08/2008 1:28:51 PM PDT by marron
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To: K-oneTexas
Strict constructionists who don't want the judiciary making up rights and legislating from the bench also have to confront the fact that the Constitution requires that Congress declare war. We have to reconcile that with the modern world where US troops are stationed throughout the world, and can be called into conflict on a moment's notice.

In 1789, it would have been inconceivable for the President to initiate a war, because he would have had to muster an army and the funds to pay for that army, and then march or sail them somewhere. That process took weeks or months, at least. A declaration of war to precede that action was not an unwieldy limit on the process, and was expected.

Now, with ICBMs, cruise missiles, strategic air forces, a ground force stationed all over and a navy that covers the globe, the President, purporting to use his power as commander in chief, can initiate what the Constitution would have envisioned to be a war on a moment's notice and without Congressional approval. The problem was ignored after WW2. During Vietnam, the anti-war movement made a stink about it, and Congress decided it needed to have a say in initiating wars. The War Powers Act was the result. It allows the President to initiate military conflicts, but if they escalate to a certain level, the President has to come to Congress for approval after a period of time. Congress' approval is the functional equivalent of a declaration of war.

The issue that could arise is what happens when the President, as Commander in Chief, initiates an action that creates a condition of war. For example, an attack on Iran, a sovereign nation, would generate a response, and we would be at war. Should the President not have an authorization from Congress before waging war on his own? (Note that Bush did get such authorization before Iraq, and Bush 41 also got authorization before the Gulf War.)

I think the Constitution requires an authorization before initiating action that will create a state of war. I don't think it's an optimum way to deal with threats in the modern world. You can't, for example, telegraph to the Iranians that you are going to attack them; you want to surprise them. But to be consistent, we have to follow the Constitution, even when we wish it was worded differently. If we want the President to be able to start wars on his own, we need an amendment. Otherwise, resolutions for authorization such as the Iraq War resolution, are the best compromise. The President can get authorization for a war that has not started yet, and he can then start it at a time of his choosing.

The President does not need authorization or approval of actions to defend the nation or our military. If we are attacked, a state of war exists that was declared by another entity against us. The President, as commander in chief, can and should defend us against a war declared by others. He just can't initiate a war. Congress can refuse to fund it if they disagree with the President.

In summary, the War Powers Act has worked pretty well since the 70s at allowing flexibility in a modern setting while staying true to the Constitution's structure. I don't know what problem this proposal is attempting to fix, but if the proposal gives Congress more oversight in the management of war, that would be crazy. As the Editor's Note states, Congress' role after war begins is to sit back and let the CinC fight it. They can pull funding if they are not happy.

7 posted on 07/08/2008 1:40:04 PM PDT by Defiant (Leave it to the Dems to nominate someone so bad I may be forced to vote for McCain.)
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To: Defiant
I wholeheartedly agree, especially with the Editor's Note ("As the Editor's Note states, Congress' role after war begins is to sit back and let the CinC fight it. They can pull funding if they are not happy.")

I think this is an attempt by those on both sides of the aisle (Dem/Libs and Bush 41 stalwarts) to slap Bush 43. The problem I see is that if it is approved it would hamper the fighting of a war as Congress would be "overly" involved. Do Dems really want that with a Dem President. Wasn't Bubba's War (Kosovo) even called a 'Just War'? Didn't Bubba lob missiles at camels and an aspirin factory without a war (just to take the news off his peccadillo)?

Sorry, my mind wanders and I get ahead of things.
8 posted on 07/08/2008 1:46:24 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Non-Sequitur

I believe you meant Section 8, but good point. Formal declaration of war is an enumerated power of the Congress. The President is empowered only to either sign it or veto.


9 posted on 07/08/2008 1:48:49 PM PDT by CowboyJay (There's always 2012...)
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To: Defiant
The whole concept of “war” has become obsolete. War departments over the world were converted into “defense” departments. No war has been declared by the U.S. since WWII and I'm not aware any other country has made a formal declaration of war since then. Maybe when the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948?

So, it's daft to try to reinvent an outdated concept. They're just a bunch of Bush-haters creating a system they hope would have thwarted him from going into Iraq. But Congress was asked to vote on that and said yes. Oh, never mind!

10 posted on 07/08/2008 1:49:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: colorado tanker
Osama Bin Laden declared war on the US in 1998. But you are right, most other nations do not declare war; that was a concept of European nations that has since gone out of favor.

I think having Congress authorize the President to wage war meets the requirements of the Constitution--it is the functional equivalent of a Congressional declaration of war. The only difference is that we are not actually at war when the resolution passes; we are just authorizing the President to initiate it at a later time if he so chooses. In essence, Congress has delegated the actual initiation of war to the President, for that particular conflict. There's no formal "declaration", but when the President acts following Congressional authorization, a. war exists; and b. Congress approved it.

One corollary would be that if Congress rescinds an authorization BEFORE war has begun, then the President no longer is authorized to act. Once war has begun, however, the President as commander in chief is responsible for fighting it, and cannot be made to stop. Congress' role is to fund or defund it, and to approve any treaty that results.

11 posted on 07/08/2008 2:00:58 PM PDT by Defiant (Leave it to the Dems to nominate someone so bad I may be forced to vote for McCain.)
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To: Defiant

Awesome analysis bump.


12 posted on 07/08/2008 2:14:11 PM PDT by andyandval
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To: K-oneTexas

Congress has the Constitutional power to Declare War. This ought to make enemies think twice about Death to America parades. But, Congress hasn’t used its power to Declare War in so long they might not be aware they already have the power.


13 posted on 07/08/2008 2:17:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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