Snopes Shows Real Photo of Fonda And Kerry
Posted on 07/09/2008 10:07:48 PM PDT by kristinn
...How important is calumny today? In 2000, calumny effectively led to John McCain's defeat in South Carolina. That smear campaign against him used robo-calls and fliers, and e-mail also played an important role, as the New York Times reported in February 2000. Arguably, calumny defeated John Kerry in 2004, and the infamous Swift boat television ads of that summer were, importantly, preceded by an aggressive Internet campaign begun that January that included perhaps the first viral campaign e-mail: a computer-generated image of Kerry and Jane Fonda beside each other on a podium at an antiwar rally. The image originally emerged at the Web site FreeRepublic.com, and Fonda had not in fact been at the event. But the damage was done. Today we are seeing viral anti-Obama e-mails, some of which I have traced to some of the same origin points for the 2000 and 2004 smear campaigns.
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A right to free speech is no excuse for lying. While strongly protected rights of free speech are critical to a healthy democracy, rights bring responsibilities. Citizens should, as a standard practice, take responsibility for their views -- the matters of fact and principle that they wish to put before the public for consideration -- by appending their full, legal names to their expressions, even in blog posts. While there are times and places for anonymity, it should be the exception. Unfortunately, the Internet has brought us to a point where anonymity is the rule, not the exception. Rather than facilitating free speech, this is corrosive to democratic discourse. It's time to rebuild a responsible culture in which people speak in their full, legal names and honor the truth.
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A right to free speech is no excuse for lying.But apparently freedom of the press is...
The Wash Post link brought me back to this thread?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
There is not a free press in America other than talk radio and at times Fox, but Fox is changing also.
Snopes Shows Real Photo of Fonda And Kerry
''Free'' speech for me, but not for thee, evidently.
Danielle, ‘genius’ — you have only the most feeble association with facts yourself. Jon Carry’s problems were not about private calumnies, it was all about very publicly stated charges and criticisms to which he had no (adequate) answers. The “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” was comprised of around 200 patriotic, heroic war veterans who rose up against the vicious depraved calumnies that JOHN KERRY had directed against all Vietnam War veterans.
I’m wondering where Ms. Allen’s outrage is over the mainstream media using a ‘calumny’ in their attempt to destroy President Bush’s reelection bid in 2004 with the phony Texas Air National Guard documents. Or The Post’s incessant rumor-mongering about George W. Bush in 1999?
There was another photo that was very expertly photoshopped by Registered that was fake.
Arguably, calumny defeated John Kerry in 2004, and the infamous Swift boat television ads of that summer were, importantly, preceded by an aggressive Internet campaign begun that January that included perhaps the first viral campaign e-mail: a computer-generated image of Kerry and Jane Fonda beside each other on a podium at an antiwar rally. The image originally emerged at the Web site FreeRepublic.com, and Fonda had not in fact been at the event.
Horsesh**.
Utter rubbish
The Corbis photo, an authentic COLOR photo of Kerry and Fonda together at an antiAmerican (pro-North Vietnam war) rally (all of Jane Fonda's rhetoric was PRO-Communist victory over the US, including stateside)... anyway an authentic photo of them seated near each other had already surfaced.
The gag photo with caption was posted and almost immediately pulled. It seems that DUmmies did more to keep it alive on the internet because with it they could discredit (or at least cast doubt) on the real Corbis image (which for copyright reasons cannot be posted to FR).
Corbis and the presstitutes never seemed concerned that there is a parody photo of the REAL Corbis image that also has GWBush pasted into it.
The fake photo was strictly used by the Left to discredit the real one. FR did not tolerate the forged photo. Unlike SeeBS and their forged memos that AssPress also ran with for a week.
So, is Ms. Allen going to get JFK to sign the SF-180 and thereby disprove the SwiftVets television ads?
Regards,
TS
Good overview - Danielle Allen is about as credible and competent as Dan Rather and Mary Mapes.
That was *labeled* as a fake by Registered when he published it. The Left simply left that part out of their spin.
The real picture is posted above *and* on snopes.com (url to that is also above).
1. Out of the handful of people who heard this reported in the media, we all heard about it after we already voted and not for McCain. I asked dozens of Republicans and most didn't even hear about the fliers.
2. Wouldn't have mattered to me anyway.
We didn't want McCain then for some of the following reasons;
1. His part in the Keating Five scandal.
2. His ready acceptance of the Democrat crossover vote. The most common response from fellow Republicans “ Democrats don't choose our candidate”, something they forgot this year.
3. He was and still is just plain creepy.
* The people who printed the McCain smear fliers were most likely of the white sheet wearing variety and not known to have brains or be members of the Republican party.
Her writing is despicable. You almost sense even she doesn’t give credence to her own sentences.
calumny?
How does one cook it? Is it FRench, like Jean Claude sKerry?
does it go well with arugula? can one overcook it?
ad now as to your ?
The Wash Post link brought me back to this thread?
R U logged in?
Several things, the photos, real, fake, and sources for the composite are prohibited by their creators from appearing ON FR.
Which is odd because the only OWNER of the fake is the guy who created it, not the guy who’s photos he used. In the absence of a court order, the ownership of the image does not transfer.
The Lefties at Snopes got a notice from Corbis which made them revise their copyright information but I doubt they PAY Corbis for the image that they host on their own servers. And I know they aren’t paying the creator of the hoaxed image (which can be found here on Snopes where they kept the topic alive).
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp
Ms. Allen is niggardly with truth and facts. Though I’m sure that her use of obscure words is meant only to enlighten us hicks, who cling to guns, religion and the Constitution, I feel that her defense of Sen. McCain is disingenuous and duplicitous.
If memory serves, Registered caught absolute hell for it from all sides, and he pretty much disappeared because of it. So how much is enough for the leftists?
I seriously doubt that ANY journalists saw the photo when it was posted originally in that thread. As I say, it was generated and the post pulled rather quickly (someone probably rightfully hit the abuse button).
DU trolls did the rest.
Not sure that he ever “disappeared”. I know he continued to make graphics.
One of his mocked up Bush Iraqi dollars was on CNN or something when Baghdad fell.
It says “thank you for the wonderful spring rolls”. Nothing more, comrade. That wing of the Vietnam Heroes Museum is closed for repairs. No further questions! Tour over!!!
This is truly bizarre.. two Wapo articles on this subject? Both making heroes out of this woman who knows how to google? Both refusing to address the underlying claims? what shoddy journalism.
Yeah, I mean he disappeared from here right about that time.
Bull. The Registered composite was touted far and wide by MSM outlets as an example of dastardly Internet deception well before the Swift Vets even formed. To claim that the composite was a major factor in Kerry's defeat is grotesquely dishonest. Even the leftist professor Ken Light, who took the photo Registered used and eventually filed suit against him, admitted in the Washington Post on Feb. 28, 2004 that "the Internet has come as close as it gets to a correction. If you use a search engine... you find the hoax explanation before you see the photo itself."
There's no shortage of evidence that Kerry and Fonda did in fact work together to achieve a common goal: US defeat in Vietnam. The two radical activists used exactly the same tactic - lying about US war crimes in an effort that was carefully coordinated with the Vietnamese communists. D. Allen wants to pretend that a trivial incident involving fake "evidence" had a major impact, so she can ignore the real evidence against Kerry that really did change minds.
That "arguably" in front of her "calumny" charge against the Swift Vets is a nice bit of weasel-wording. Allen obviously has no qualms about using innuendo when she can't find evidence. When her "genius grant" expires, expect to see Ms. Allen pumping out slipshod research and leftist polemics someplace like Media Matters.
Like Publius, Silence Dogood, Poor Richard, etc.?
I keep missing commenting on the part of that story about the speakers. They actually listened to Donald Sutherland, the man who showed such “great” judgement with this decision when he took his part in “Animal House”;
“Donald Sutherland was so convinced of the movie’s lack of potential, that, when offered a percent of the gross or an upfront payment of $40,000, he took the upfront payment. Had he taken the gross percentage he would have been worth an additional $30-40 million.”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/trivia
Barack from Kenya or was it Indonesia?
He has a Muslim brother, I wonder about his mother.
He likes to toot his own horn, I wonder where he was born.
He has a lovely house, that's in a gangster's yard.
He thinks he'll become President, by playing the race card.
It is a little surprising, however, that the Washington Post is giving this scumbag an open-ended platform.
"D'oh!" What am I thinking.... No it's not.
ROFL. Good one doug.
All I see is a green smiley face.
Then click on the link...that’s why it’s there...for when pics get blocked or pulled.
DRUDGE: CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS KERRY CONVENTION FILM: WAR SCENES REENACTED
Drudge report ^ | 7/28/04 | Matt drudge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1180287/posts
“Fake but accurate” footage from John Kerry.
As usual someone else has to do Danielle's job for her.
Photo pulled copyright complaint.
The green smiley face is on the Snopes server too.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077764/posts
SOME PICTURES ARE FAKE! THIS ZOT WAS REAL!
Some dope, as told to Reddy Kilozot
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 5:45:32 PM by bushbananarepublic
www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp
To: bushbananarepublic
“Way to go Ace. FReeRepublic was first with the picture, first to discuss it and first to expose it as a fake. Try to keep up, will you?”
5 posted on Friday, February 13, 2004
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