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New Vision for Schools Proposes Broad Role
New York Times ^ | July 14, 2008 | Sam Dillon

Posted on 07/14/2008 8:22:04 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Randi Weingarten, the New Yorker who is rising to become president of the American Federation of Teachers, says she wants to replace President Bush’s focus on standardized testing with a vision of public schools as community centers that help poor students succeed by offering not only solid classroom lessons but also medical and other services.

Ms. Weingarten, 50, is running unopposed for the presidency of the national teachers union, whose delegates at an annual convention in Chicago are expected to elect her Monday. In a speech prepared for delivery after the vote, Ms. Weingarten criticizes No Child Left Behind, President Bush’s signature domestic initiative, which is defended staunchly by Margaret Spellings, the secretary of education.

Ms. Weingarten, saying the law “is too badly broken to be fixed,” lays out a “new vision of schools for the 21st century.”

“Can you imagine a federal law that promoted community schools — schools that serve the neediest children by bringing together under one roof all the services and activities they and their families need?” Ms. Weingarten is expected to ask in the speech, a copy of which was provided by the union to The New York Times.

“Imagine schools that are open all day and offer after-school and evening recreational activities, child care and preschool, tutoring and homework assistance,” the speech reads. “Schools that include dental, medical and counseling clinics.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aft; education; nclb; publicschools; socialism; unions
This is the vision of teachers' unions and much of the Democratic party: give the public schools more money, make them less accountable, and broaden their mission, effectively making them substitute parents.
1 posted on 07/14/2008 8:22:05 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
Proposes Broad Role

The place is run by broads already. All the men have been run out of the schools.
2 posted on 07/14/2008 8:24:46 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: reaganaut1
Anything that forces teachers (an a whole school) must be a bad thing.

How about “Shut up and TEACH” ???

3 posted on 07/14/2008 8:26:28 AM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: reaganaut1

“New Vision for Schools Proposes Broad Role”
Should read, Broad Rule.” This broad wants to rule, and she will get to, unopposed! ? for her. What about the smart kids? The ones who want to learn? They’re totally left out of the equation!


4 posted on 07/14/2008 8:26:36 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Locomotive Breath
The place is run by broads already. All the men have been run out of the schools.

Lol! And the ones who haven't have probably been girly-ized or are the community boytoys.

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5 posted on 07/14/2008 8:26:55 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (maybe apes evolved from people.)
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To: reaganaut1
..to be held to a measurable standard, that is...
6 posted on 07/14/2008 8:27:40 AM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
The ones who want to learn? They’re totally left out of the equation!

They must be prevented from hurting the self-esteem of the others.

7 posted on 07/14/2008 8:28:35 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (maybe apes evolved from people.)
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To: reaganaut1

Wow! Throw in a few cots and they could call them orphanages.


8 posted on 07/14/2008 8:28:51 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Barack Hussein Obama=Jimmy Carter Part Douche)
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To: reaganaut1

“This is the vision of teachers’ unions and much of the Democratic party: give the public schools more money, make them less accountable..”

Who cares if Johnny can read, at least we prevented him from getting AIDs by handing out condoms.


9 posted on 07/14/2008 8:29:26 AM PDT by y6162
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To: metmom

MM, probably of interest to one of the lists. This is pretty scary.


10 posted on 07/14/2008 8:30:52 AM PDT by JenB
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To: y6162

“By laying out that expansive vision of government’s role in the public schools, Ms. Weingarten “
Should read, “By laying out that expensive vision of government’s role in the public schools, Ms. Weingarten “
Lot of poor spelling in the article!


11 posted on 07/14/2008 8:31:39 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: reaganaut1
Randi Weingarten is also the same person quoted by John Stossel as wanting teachers to "work 6 hours and 40 minutes a week, just like everyone else in America."

The woman is so out of touch with reality, that she could ONLY be an academic/politician.

12 posted on 07/14/2008 8:32:53 AM PDT by wbill
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To: reaganaut1

What a crock. The liberal fanatics of academia cannot teach, don’t care to teach, and only indoctrinate. The government education system is a total disaster, WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY for their actions (again welcome to liberalism).

And they want to expand “their role”? Role of what? Failure? Indoctrination? Illiteracy? Lack of comprehension? Lack of math skills? Lack of preparedness for college? Is THIS what they want to expand?

God help us. If I had to educate my kids again, they would NEVER SET FOOT in a government school EVER!


13 posted on 07/14/2008 8:33:27 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Locomotive Breath

And what schools did Randi send her kids to? A requirement for all public school teachers, administrators, and support staff should be that they must send their children to the public schools in the district in which they teach.


14 posted on 07/14/2008 8:33:43 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: reaganaut1

I agree with her. I think we should get back to community teaching too...like in the old days. A one room school built by the community. One teacher hired by the community that answers to the community. Everyone eats before coming to school, packs a lunch and goes home after school. Shoes optional :’)


15 posted on 07/14/2008 8:37:31 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: wbill
The woman is so out of touch with reality, that she could ONLY be an academic/politician.

And she's running UNOPPOSED for the presidency of the teachers union. Which I'm sure is a result of her overwhelming popularity within that fine organization.

MM (in TX)

16 posted on 07/14/2008 8:37:58 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: reaganaut1
In NYC we have such a facility. It's the juvenile correctional center on Rikers Island. Seriously, as a 25 year NYC teacher it is an understatement to say how appalled I am at Randi's fantasy. While it is true that there are some kids who do not benefit by going home, the idea that the schools will provide total care is a monstrosity. While there are some that wil see this as fascistic or communistic, and they could not be criticized for doing so, I think this kind of notion comes from a kinder and gentler origin, though equally controlling.

In communities with large Jewish populations it was and is not uncommon to see those neighborhoods devoid of children in the Summer. Going to camp is a rite of pasage for many kids, and in the NY area more so for Jewish kids. For adults this was continued by the vacation resorts in The Catskills. Each day and night filled with planned activities.

Randi comes from this culture and probably has many positive feelings about her experiences. The majority of the Jewish teachers I work with have only good things to say about camp, and are bemused about why others don't feel they missed anything by not going.So when Randi sees the schools and at risk kids she sees a communal activity as a solution. Others in the profession, with the same background, feel the same way. Others latch on with the sense that this is only a first step to creating a model and controlled society. Presto we have Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascistic society brought to life.

17 posted on 07/14/2008 8:41:19 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: reaganaut1

FReepers should be a lot more frightened by this than is reflected in any of the comments I have read to this point. That is the truly sad commentary.


18 posted on 07/14/2008 8:42:10 AM PDT by CSM (Hey if a small tax increase didn't work, a bigger tax increase should not work even BETTER!)
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To: reaganaut1
Ms. Weingarten, saying the law “is too badly broken to be fixed,” lays out a “new vision of schools for the 21st century.”

Free daycare.

All-day schooling from age 3.

Gov't provided meals and healthcare.

Tracking and job training.

This proposal is a vision of the 20th century. It was tried in Russia.

Maybe the teachers aren't familiar with the outcome of that social experiment.

19 posted on 07/14/2008 8:43:43 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: MississippiMan
Remember that those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, administrate. And those who can't administrate, dictate policy.

You figure out where she sits on the "competency totem pole".

20 posted on 07/14/2008 8:53:20 AM PDT by wbill
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To: MississippiMan; All

Here’s the Stossell article on Ms. Weingarten....worth a read. This woman is a real fruit loop.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2_22_06_JS.htm


21 posted on 07/14/2008 8:57:40 AM PDT by wbill
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To: reaganaut1
Robert Reich proposed exactly this sort of nonsense during the Clinton Years. He called it the "One Stop" Center something 'er other. Why he even had those out on parole checking in with their parole officers at pub ed schools.

Democrats, you can always count on them to turn anything into a jail.

22 posted on 07/14/2008 8:58:25 AM PDT by Alia
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To: reaganaut1

Now all she needs to do is propose making the return of the children to their homes at night optional, left to the discretion of the teachers and administrators, and her utopian vision will be complete.


23 posted on 07/14/2008 9:01:32 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: reaganaut1
When I went to grammar school...1950...We had a school nurse, we had physicals, eye check ups, hearing check ups, lice checkups and got A PINT of milk for breakfast.

We all went to the Eastman dental dispensary and had our teeth cleaned and other necessary care...all free.

We were also given paper and pencils as needed.

Teachers were dedicated and it wasn't all about the money. Teachers are WAY overpaid with out of sight pensions.

24 posted on 07/14/2008 9:06:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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25 posted on 07/14/2008 9:33:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: reaganaut1

Outsourced parenting!!

Just what the busy working parent[s] need[s]!!

You can still enjoy Christmas mornings, birthdays, Thanksgiving dinners, and all the joyful events of life with your children, but without any of the drudgery of actually rearing them!!

No longer will you have to concern yourself with making sure your children do their homework, arranging those annoying dental visits, or even feeding them!!

Just make sure you get them to the schoolhouse door on time every morning, and have a place for them to put down their heads after a vigorous game of Midnight Basketball, and all your parenting headaches will be taken away by our outsourced parenting professionals!!


26 posted on 07/14/2008 9:52:56 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Yes! Give them more responsibility considering they have done so well with what they already have! Then one day, they can bemoan anew why our children are not succeeding academically. They can say that too much is expected of them. And another generation of experiments are down the drain while the educators are retired and moved to a safe part of town.


27 posted on 07/14/2008 9:56:32 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: VeniVidiVici

Profound thought on many levels.


28 posted on 07/14/2008 12:08:27 PM PDT by georgiagirl_pam
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To: reaganaut1

The hospitals, the courts, the schools, and the prisons are all part of the same institution of the state. This should be gradually swimming into focus with the help of Ms. Weingarten and other officers of the state.


29 posted on 07/14/2008 12:14:04 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: reaganaut1

The Teacher’s Unions have never been about the education of children, simply the forward movement of a socialist agenda.


30 posted on 07/14/2008 12:48:24 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: reaganaut1

I talked to a friend of mine who is an educational researcher. He said that NCLB is a noble idea that could work if done right. According to him it all comes down to whether or not the tests are anygood and many aren’t. Each state gets to set their own tests and some states do a much better job than others.

A bad test increases the chance of a decent school being labeled as failing and a bad school as passing. He also said a bad test could actually make education worse in some cases if students spend so much time being prepped for a test with little validity. An example he cited was a test that was too narrow in content. If a teacher, as many do with these sanctions, spends a good portion of their time teaching to a test that doesn’t test enough then the students will be shortchanged because they will lose out on useful information.

He said states have also been monkeying around with the figures whether it be by setting lower standards for passage or through statistical tricks. We need, at least in my view, to cut off those loopholes and set a national standard about what information a student should know and what skills they should have.


31 posted on 07/15/2008 8:02:03 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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32 posted on 07/15/2008 7:24:31 PM PDT by Amelia
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Kind of funny...over on this thread, several posters opined that the only way to improve some schools would be to give the students new parents...
33 posted on 07/15/2008 7:29:46 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: xcamel
or..."Shut up, and LET 'em TEACH!"
34 posted on 07/15/2008 7:31:35 PM PDT by bannie
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He said states have also been monkeying around with the figures whether it be by setting lower standards for passage or through statistical tricks. We need, at least in my view, to cut off those loopholes and set a national standard about what information a student should know and what skills they should have.

My view also...of course, a lot of conservatives would consider that more federal involvement in education, and would oppose national standards...

35 posted on 07/15/2008 7:44:12 PM PDT by Amelia
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Wow! Throw in a few cots and they could call them orphanages.

Exactly - Georgia started a Pre-K program a few years ago with Lottery Money. The purpose was to help the kids who do not get any parenting at home learn their colors and numbers and letters, because, believe it or not, some study somewhere showed that kids who have parents who teach them the basics at home actually do better in school. Georgia educrats realized that the parents who don't want to parent could never be convinced to parent (after all - the single moms need more kids to up their welfare stipend and can't be bothered with actually parenting) - so they decided that government could parent the kids better. (Given some of the kids in our rural Title 1 school, I can almost become a liberal and believe that government could be a better parent in some situations.)

HOWEVER, I have noticed that alot of the kids who actually make it into the pre-k program (it is chosen by lottery because there are only a few spaces) are children who have both college-educated-parents at home, but the mom needs more personal time and really can't fool with the 4 year old - when can she fit her run in? Plus, she is tired of paying for the mother's morning out all five days of the week and the sitter for after the "mother's morning out" also adds to the cost. She could buy a new bike or workout clothes with that savings. At least in rural Georgia, the influential parents in town always "happen" to find a pre-k space funded by taxpayers.

Do you see the irony in the two types of parents I described who don't actually want to parent?

36 posted on 07/15/2008 7:52:40 PM PDT by too much time (Were any educrats proficient at math in school?)
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To: reaganaut1

The Dental van comes to our schools several times a month for the students who have “Peachcare” - Georgia-taxpayer-funded healthcare. Some kids are able to get braces with Peachcare. I explained to my kids a couple of years ago that the reason they had to wait for braces was because I was busy paying for the Peachcare kids braces. I then had to tell them not to share that at school.


37 posted on 07/15/2008 7:56:09 PM PDT by too much time (Were any educrats proficient at math in school?)
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To: reaganaut1
Lord help us - would the AFT and NEA just be happy to have the kids born in test tubes and then raised in centers ala "Brave New World?"

The sad part of this whole thing is that there are some parents that after they read this will think it's a good idea. As it is now, the school is the mother and the US Gov't is the day. And trust me, gov't agencies make piss poor parents.

38 posted on 07/15/2008 8:06:27 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA; too much time
And yet here is a story about children who don't get breakfast and lunch in the summer without special programs targeting them...

I'm not sure where food stamps fit into this mix and why those families can't use them to buy nutritious foods in the summer (and fall, winter, & spring for that matter...)

I do know that I drove 30 miles in the middle of the day through semi-rural areas near here earlier this week and passed at least 3 of these programs.

39 posted on 07/16/2008 4:49:41 AM PDT by Amelia
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