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Organization on the defensive over its name (La Raza - The Race - NCLR , San Diego convention )
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 7/15/08 | Hiram Soto

Posted on 07/15/2008 3:47:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO – The National Council of La Raza spends most of its time protecting and advancing the rights of Latinos through advocacy and community work. But as it wraps up its convention downtown, it has found itself defending its name.

That's because activists who oppose illegal immigration are saying in e-mails, during street protests and through the media that “La Raza” means “The Race,” and have been calling the organization a hate group.

The accusations have prompted soul-searching among NCLR supporters as to what the name actually means and stands for. Most say the situation is the result of a word lost in translation.

In the past few days, organizers have addressed the issue at news conferences and on their Web site, where they explain their interpretation of the name.

“While it is true that one meaning of 'raza' in Spanish is indeed 'race,' . . . words can and do have multiple meanings,” reads the statement. “ 'La raza' means 'the people' or 'the community.'

“Translating our name as 'the race' is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. 'Hispanic' is an ethnicity, not a race. . . . Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.”

Still, raza can mean different things to different people, even Spanish speakers. For some it means family and community, while for others it represents the language and customs of Latinos.

During a speech Sunday, Sen. Barack Obama described “la raza” as “big enough to embrace the notion that we are all part of a greater community.”

“It's a very subjective term,” said Bernardo Ferdman, a professor at the Marshall Goldsmith School of Management at Alliant University, who teaches about diversity in the workplace.

“The concept of race that people use in the United States is not the same as the one used in Latin America. People talk about the human race, the human races, and the race meaning the people, or el pueblo, so it has several meanings.”

Several Latin American countries celebrate Oct. 12 as Dia de la Raza – Columbus Day in the United States – commemorating the beginning of a mixture between Spaniards and the native populations.

The interpretation of the term among protesters outside the convention center was that “raza” stood for exclusion and divisiveness.

“It's flat-out racism,” said Dominique Harkay, who opposes illegal immigration. “If they want to change that perception, they should change their name.”

The NCLR's president, Janet Murguía, has acknowledged that there have been conversations about changing the name. It has been difficult because of the name's historical weight, Murguía said.

The organization was born in 1968 under the name Southwest Council of La Raza during a time when Latinos had little social representation and their issues were mostly ignored.

Many members feel they should be true to their roots and stick with the name.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; convention; defensive; hispanderama; immigrantlist; immigration; laraza; magicnegro; mccain; nclr; obama; obamaspeaksebonics; organization; sandiego; stampoutillegals; therace
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1 posted on 07/15/2008 3:47:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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What a flat-out lie. Someone needs to ask Obama how to say, “people” or “community” in Spanish.


2 posted on 07/15/2008 3:52:22 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: NormsRevenge

Sorry, I don’t buy their obfuscations. La raza means the race and is a racist term.


3 posted on 07/15/2008 3:55:27 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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La Raza is a racist organization. Why do you think they chose the name?


4 posted on 07/15/2008 3:56:33 PM PDT by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: NormsRevenge
“It's flat-out racism,” said Dominique Harkay, who opposes illegal immigration. “If they want to change that perception, they should change their name.”

Changing their name doesn't change their agenda.

Handgun Control, Inc. becomes Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence; Democratic Socialists of America becomes Progressive Caucus....Leftists love to cover up what they really are. Don't encourage them.

Oh, and Jihad means "internal struggle". Nothing to worry about.

5 posted on 07/15/2008 3:58:42 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: NormsRevenge
So, the argument is that la raza loses something in translation. So do our laws, the constitution in particular. That is perhaps the most compelling argument for having English as our national language.
6 posted on 07/15/2008 3:59:33 PM PDT by yooling (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: Owl558
Do that and show him the stamp.


7 posted on 07/15/2008 4:01:54 PM PDT by Clock King (Under revision...)
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To: NormsRevenge
“It's a very subjective term,” said Bernardo Ferdman, ... who teaches about diversity in the workplace.

I teach diversity, too...

8 posted on 07/15/2008 4:05:01 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Wanted: Designated Driver for November 5th voting party)
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To: Tarpon

Why are we taxpayers funding that racist orgainization. I, for one, am sick of it—my tax dollars going to racists!


9 posted on 07/15/2008 4:13:19 PM PDT by notaliberal (Christ Our Hope!)
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To: NormsRevenge
“While it is true that one meaning of 'raza' in Spanish is indeed 'race,' . . . words can and do have multiple meanings,” reads the statement. “ 'La raza' means 'the people' or 'the community.'

And "Nazi" can mean "warm fuzzy kitten."

Toro mierda. "Pueblo" means people, "communidad" means community, and "raza" means race.

Words have finite distinct meanings, even en espanol.

10 posted on 07/15/2008 4:14:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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“The National Council of La Raza spends most of its time protecting and advancing the rights of Latinos through advocacy and community work.”

Umm... not exactly. La Raza spends most of it’s time and energy planning for the armed insurrection in the areas of the US it has claimed as Aztlan.

La Raza also spends most of it’s funds arming communist guerrillas in south and central America.


11 posted on 07/15/2008 4:17:27 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Owl558
...how to say, “people” or “community” in Spanish. Some words come to mind: the people: la gente (the 'g' pronounced like an 'h') community - that's easy: la comunidad
12 posted on 07/15/2008 4:22:39 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (If you don't like your middle name, that's your problem.)
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La Raza also spends most of it’s funds arming communist guerrillas in south and central America.

Now that IS interesting (do you have a reference) since South and Central America are already Latino.

13 posted on 07/15/2008 4:31:02 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hmmmm...Why no mention of La Razas motto, Barack?
How about you, Soto?...

Why no mention of the fact that La Raza’s motto is:

“For the Race: Everything!..For others: Nothing!”

La Raza is a racist, Non-American-Mexican group of Militant Foreign Aliens.


14 posted on 07/15/2008 4:31:35 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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“Translating our name as 'the race' is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. 'Hispanic' is an ethnicity, not a race. . . . Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.” ..... Still, raza can mean different things to different people, even Spanish speakers. For some it means family and community, while for others it represents the language and customs of Latinos. ..... Several Latin American countries celebrate Oct. 12 as Dia de la Raza – Columbus Day in the United States – commemorating the beginning of a mixture between Spaniards and the native populations.

In Mexico, "la raza" is used to specifically refer to the Mestizo "race" formed by the intermarriage of Spaniards with the local Indians. The term has nothing to do with non-Mestizo Spanish-speaking countries.

A Cuban asked about "la raza" would want to know what "raza" you were taking about. The "negros"? The "blancos"? The "Indios"?

15 posted on 07/15/2008 4:32:41 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: NormsRevenge

A hate group maybe, but a racist group clearly and on par with KKK, NAACP, ACLU, and RAinbow coalition.


16 posted on 07/15/2008 5:23:24 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: Tarpon; Unam Sanctam

“The Race” - That’s like a NASCAR thing, right?


17 posted on 07/15/2008 5:28:33 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“While it is true that one meaning of ‘raza’ in Spanish is indeed ‘race”

That is all that need be said. Hate group.


18 posted on 07/15/2008 6:58:23 PM PDT by Grunthor (Soon to be a major world religion.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

No linkable reference atm. La Raza is very active in the area where I live. They don’t tend to be all that quiet or careful in their fundraising objectives, especially on college campuses.

And, Latino is only half of what they’re about. This is an organization that was built according to the communist revolutionary handbook. The race angle is a recruiting gimmick and a propaganda hook, as much as it is a rabid racial/class war thing.


19 posted on 07/15/2008 6:59:29 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: NormsRevenge; PARodrig; Clemenza

If that is so, how come membership to la raza is limited to Mexicans and other hispanics such as myself are discouraged from joining?


20 posted on 07/15/2008 7:24:14 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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