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Organization on the defensive over its name (La Raza - The Race - NCLR , San Diego convention )
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 7/15/08 | Hiram Soto

Posted on 07/15/2008 3:47:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO – The National Council of La Raza spends most of its time protecting and advancing the rights of Latinos through advocacy and community work. But as it wraps up its convention downtown, it has found itself defending its name.

That's because activists who oppose illegal immigration are saying in e-mails, during street protests and through the media that “La Raza” means “The Race,” and have been calling the organization a hate group.

The accusations have prompted soul-searching among NCLR supporters as to what the name actually means and stands for. Most say the situation is the result of a word lost in translation.

In the past few days, organizers have addressed the issue at news conferences and on their Web site, where they explain their interpretation of the name.

“While it is true that one meaning of 'raza' in Spanish is indeed 'race,' . . . words can and do have multiple meanings,” reads the statement. “ 'La raza' means 'the people' or 'the community.'

“Translating our name as 'the race' is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. 'Hispanic' is an ethnicity, not a race. . . . Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.”

Still, raza can mean different things to different people, even Spanish speakers. For some it means family and community, while for others it represents the language and customs of Latinos.

During a speech Sunday, Sen. Barack Obama described “la raza” as “big enough to embrace the notion that we are all part of a greater community.”

“It's a very subjective term,” said Bernardo Ferdman, a professor at the Marshall Goldsmith School of Management at Alliant University, who teaches about diversity in the workplace.

“The concept of race that people use in the United States is not the same as the one used in Latin America. People talk about the human race, the human races, and the race meaning the people, or el pueblo, so it has several meanings.”

Several Latin American countries celebrate Oct. 12 as Dia de la Raza – Columbus Day in the United States – commemorating the beginning of a mixture between Spaniards and the native populations.

The interpretation of the term among protesters outside the convention center was that “raza” stood for exclusion and divisiveness.

“It's flat-out racism,” said Dominique Harkay, who opposes illegal immigration. “If they want to change that perception, they should change their name.”

The NCLR's president, Janet Murguía, has acknowledged that there have been conversations about changing the name. It has been difficult because of the name's historical weight, Murguía said.

The organization was born in 1968 under the name Southwest Council of La Raza during a time when Latinos had little social representation and their issues were mostly ignored.

Many members feel they should be true to their roots and stick with the name.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; convention; defensive; hispanderama; immigrantlist; immigration; laraza; magicnegro; mccain; nclr; obama; obamaspeaksebonics; organization; sandiego; stampoutillegals; therace

1 posted on 07/15/2008 3:47:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

What a flat-out lie. Someone needs to ask Obama how to say, “people” or “community” in Spanish.


2 posted on 07/15/2008 3:52:22 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: NormsRevenge

Sorry, I don’t buy their obfuscations. La raza means the race and is a racist term.


3 posted on 07/15/2008 3:55:27 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

La Raza is a racist organization. Why do you think they chose the name?


4 posted on 07/15/2008 3:56:33 PM PDT by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: NormsRevenge
“It's flat-out racism,” said Dominique Harkay, who opposes illegal immigration. “If they want to change that perception, they should change their name.”

Changing their name doesn't change their agenda.

Handgun Control, Inc. becomes Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence; Democratic Socialists of America becomes Progressive Caucus....Leftists love to cover up what they really are. Don't encourage them.

Oh, and Jihad means "internal struggle". Nothing to worry about.

5 posted on 07/15/2008 3:58:42 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: NormsRevenge
So, the argument is that la raza loses something in translation. So do our laws, the constitution in particular. That is perhaps the most compelling argument for having English as our national language.
6 posted on 07/15/2008 3:59:33 PM PDT by yooling (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: Owl558
Do that and show him the stamp.


7 posted on 07/15/2008 4:01:54 PM PDT by Clock King (Under revision...)
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To: NormsRevenge
“It's a very subjective term,” said Bernardo Ferdman, ... who teaches about diversity in the workplace.

I teach diversity, too...

8 posted on 07/15/2008 4:05:01 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Wanted: Designated Driver for November 5th voting party)
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To: Tarpon

Why are we taxpayers funding that racist orgainization. I, for one, am sick of it—my tax dollars going to racists!


9 posted on 07/15/2008 4:13:19 PM PDT by notaliberal (Christ Our Hope!)
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To: NormsRevenge
“While it is true that one meaning of 'raza' in Spanish is indeed 'race,' . . . words can and do have multiple meanings,” reads the statement. “ 'La raza' means 'the people' or 'the community.'

And "Nazi" can mean "warm fuzzy kitten."

Toro mierda. "Pueblo" means people, "communidad" means community, and "raza" means race.

Words have finite distinct meanings, even en espanol.

10 posted on 07/15/2008 4:14:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: NormsRevenge

“The National Council of La Raza spends most of its time protecting and advancing the rights of Latinos through advocacy and community work.”

Umm... not exactly. La Raza spends most of it’s time and energy planning for the armed insurrection in the areas of the US it has claimed as Aztlan.

La Raza also spends most of it’s funds arming communist guerrillas in south and central America.


11 posted on 07/15/2008 4:17:27 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Owl558
...how to say, “people” or “community” in Spanish. Some words come to mind: the people: la gente (the 'g' pronounced like an 'h') community - that's easy: la comunidad
12 posted on 07/15/2008 4:22:39 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (If you don't like your middle name, that's your problem.)
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To: Grimmy
La Raza also spends most of it’s funds arming communist guerrillas in south and central America.

Now that IS interesting (do you have a reference) since South and Central America are already Latino.

13 posted on 07/15/2008 4:31:02 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hmmmm...Why no mention of La Razas motto, Barack?
How about you, Soto?...

Why no mention of the fact that La Raza’s motto is:

“For the Race: Everything!..For others: Nothing!”

La Raza is a racist, Non-American-Mexican group of Militant Foreign Aliens.


14 posted on 07/15/2008 4:31:35 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: NormsRevenge
“Translating our name as 'the race' is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. 'Hispanic' is an ethnicity, not a race. . . . Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.” ..... Still, raza can mean different things to different people, even Spanish speakers. For some it means family and community, while for others it represents the language and customs of Latinos. ..... Several Latin American countries celebrate Oct. 12 as Dia de la Raza – Columbus Day in the United States – commemorating the beginning of a mixture between Spaniards and the native populations.

In Mexico, "la raza" is used to specifically refer to the Mestizo "race" formed by the intermarriage of Spaniards with the local Indians. The term has nothing to do with non-Mestizo Spanish-speaking countries.

A Cuban asked about "la raza" would want to know what "raza" you were taking about. The "negros"? The "blancos"? The "Indios"?

15 posted on 07/15/2008 4:32:41 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: NormsRevenge

A hate group maybe, but a racist group clearly and on par with KKK, NAACP, ACLU, and RAinbow coalition.


16 posted on 07/15/2008 5:23:24 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: Tarpon; Unam Sanctam

“The Race” - That’s like a NASCAR thing, right?


17 posted on 07/15/2008 5:28:33 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“While it is true that one meaning of ‘raza’ in Spanish is indeed ‘race”

That is all that need be said. Hate group.


18 posted on 07/15/2008 6:58:23 PM PDT by Grunthor (Soon to be a major world religion.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

No linkable reference atm. La Raza is very active in the area where I live. They don’t tend to be all that quiet or careful in their fundraising objectives, especially on college campuses.

And, Latino is only half of what they’re about. This is an organization that was built according to the communist revolutionary handbook. The race angle is a recruiting gimmick and a propaganda hook, as much as it is a rabid racial/class war thing.


19 posted on 07/15/2008 6:59:29 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: NormsRevenge; PARodrig; Clemenza

If that is so, how come membership to la raza is limited to Mexicans and other hispanics such as myself are discouraged from joining?


20 posted on 07/15/2008 7:24:14 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: NormsRevenge

Let me get this straight. This group has a name that in it’s essence generates skeptisism and doubt in peoples minds as to their motives...and will continue to do so.

Many conservatives on FR are opposed to the aims and goals of this group and would like to minimize their influence in any way they can.

So, many FReepers are therefore demanding they change their name to something like “Cute and Fluffy Hispanics for the Well Being and Happiness of Everyone”.

I just don’t get it. Why is that so many conservatives can’t think strategically or long term? “La Raza” is a gift that will keep on giving for a long time and they turn sommersaults to make it go away.


21 posted on 07/15/2008 7:25:54 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Cacique; NormsRevenge; PARodrig

Because “La Raza Cosmica” is a uniquely Mexican concept developed by Jose Vasconcelos nearly a century ago. The concept came out of the cultural portion of the Mexican Revolution, and asserted that the Mexicans possessed both the rational values of the European, and the spiritual values of the Indians, hence “the cosmic race/La Raza Cosmica.” Ever since, the term “La Raza” has been synonymous with “the people” in the Mexican public sphere.


22 posted on 07/15/2008 7:27:44 PM PDT by Clemenza (We are a REPUBLIC, not a "Will of the People" Mobocracy)
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To: Bob J

“La Raza” is a gift that will keep on giving for a long time and they turn sommersaults to make it go away.”

Yeah they will give like crazy, especially with big ole pander bears like Juanito, huh?


23 posted on 07/15/2008 9:35:58 PM PDT by Grunthor (Soon to be a major world religion.)
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To: Grunthor

So your strategy to defeating them is getting them to change their name?


24 posted on 07/15/2008 10:05:08 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: NormsRevenge
Then name the damn thing "El Pueblo", or "La Communidad", comprende, vatos?.

Jackass liars, that LA RAZA.

"THE RACE"...>"THE RACE"...>"THE RACE"...>"THE RACE"...>"THE RACE"...>"THE RACE"...

25 posted on 07/16/2008 2:45:51 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Accepting the REALITY & trying to reverse America's slow global economic decline, is true patriotism)
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To: Bob J

No. My strategy for defeating them is to elect a POTUS that counts them as part of his F***ING BASE!


26 posted on 07/16/2008 8:26:30 AM PDT by Grunthor (Soon to be a major world religion.)
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27 posted on 07/16/2008 9:21:33 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: NormsRevenge

The Left is not a monolith by any means it is comprised of cults and NCLR is but one of many, it just happens to larger and louder than some of the failing, faultering ones like feminism. None of these cults could withstand any scrutiny or inquiry beyond what a Chrissy Matthews could give.


28 posted on 07/17/2008 8:33:32 AM PDT by junta (White liberals the soft underbelly of the fat pig known as the Democratic party. apologies to pigs)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The National Council of La Raza spends most of its time protecting and advancing the rights of Latinos through advocacy and community work."

Oh OK, So then by this logic having an advocacy group for whites that protects and advances the rights of whites should be just dandy to LaRaza or any of these other race based groups. I am beginning to wonder if many white Americans are just flat out stupid.

29 posted on 07/17/2008 8:37:40 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Travis McGee
Toro mierda. "Pueblo" means people, "communidad" means community, and "raza" means race.

?? "pueblo" is town. "gente" is people.

30 posted on 07/17/2008 9:30:48 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: Bob J
So, many FReepers are therefore demanding they change their name to something like “Cute and Fluffy Hispanics for the Well Being and Happiness of Everyone”.

Many? Where?

31 posted on 07/17/2008 9:36:29 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Yup, the way "race", as a word, is used in the United States is different than the way "race", as a word, is used in Latin America.

That's because, as it turns out, the United states is NOT Latin America.

If they want to be here they've gotta' learn to use the language we use. Otherwise, they can go down home and use their own darned words their own way in their own place.

Until they figure out what to call their organization the rest of us will rightly consider it to be a virulently racist organization that hates Americans.

32 posted on 07/17/2008 4:09:11 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

“Pueblo” m people; common people; town or village

“Gente” f people; folks; race; nation

Switch gears to “town,” and you get poblacion; pueblo; villa in that order.

From my “The New College Spanish and English Dictionary”

Ever hear the chant, “!El pueblo, unido, nunca sera vencido!”? Google it, and get a million hits. There are semantic differences, but both pueple and gente mean people. And pueblo is also one of the words for town.


33 posted on 07/17/2008 5:41:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

Pueple? That’s a new one. Language shifting mid word.


34 posted on 07/17/2008 5:43:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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