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Analysis: Will terrorists go nuclear?
The Middle East Times ^ | July 7, 2008 | Claude Salhani

Posted on 07/19/2008 1:51:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

One recurring question that has been at the forefront of most intelligence agencies since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by al-Qaida on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon just 1 mile outside Washington concerns the ongoing efforts by terrorist groups to acquire weapons of mass destruction: chemical, biological and mostly nuclear.

Each of the NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) weapons comes with a certain advantage and disadvantage -- for the terrorist, that is.

Of the three sorts, biological weapons are quite possibly the easiest to safely reproduce in a lab, assuming one knows what to do. A biological agent, as a weapon of mass destruction or as a terror weapon, is the least expensive as well as the easiest to disseminate. A bio-agent does not need a delivery mechanism and can be transported by a single person. It can pass through customs and border guards undetected, given that it is odorless and colorless.

All that is needed to spread an epidemic of botulism, for example, or mad cow disease, is to hang around a truck stop for a few hours until a semi pulling a load of cattle on its way to market in a nearby town drives in. Wait until the driver leaves his load unattended, then scrub a previously infected rag around the railings and the mouths of a few of the cattle, and let nature do the rest. The disadvantage, for the terrorist, is that the person carrying the rag is most likely to become contaminated himself (or herself). But with no shortages of jihadists queuing up to become "martyrs," finding two or three volunteers willing to die a horrible, slow and excruciatingly painful death should be no problem.

From a financial and cost-effective perspective, biological agents remain most likely the cheapest and, in all probability, the most likely agent of mass destruction to become available to terror groups.

In their haste to leave training camps and bases of operation in Afghanistan in the wake of rapidly advancing U.S. forces, al-Qaida agents left behind piles of documents, including videotapes showing tests and effects of chemical agents on animals.

Chemical weapons are more cumbersome to produce; they require larger amounts to cause enough damage to leave a psychological scar; and they require a delivery mechanism, such as an artillery shell.

Realistically, a bio-agent can cause far more deaths than a nuclear weapon, because it is not limited geographically, unlike a nuclear bomb. For example, an infected truck driver in Omaha infects a U.S. Army sergeant he met in a diner outside Tulsa, Okla. The GI travels by plane to New York, where he changes planes and boards one bound for Frankfurt. Again he changes planes, this time flying to Kuwait, where he joins up with several members of his unit heading into Iraq. Along the way the GI will have infected scores of people at every airport between Omaha and Baghdad. Those people in turn would have traveled on to Australia, South America, Canada, every European city and other parts of the world. Within a few days people from Sydney to Seattle could start dying.

A nuclear device, on the other hand, would completely devastate the immediate area and, depending on its size, would contaminate everything in a radius of several miles, but the damage would be confined to the immediate area of detonation, plus the fallout zone; in addition, depending on the wind direction and speed, radioactive particles could be carried hundreds, if not thousands, of miles. But psychologically the image of a nuclear blast carries greater impact.

Brian Michael Jenkins, who has just released a book titled "Will Terrorists Go Nuclear?" writes, "There is no doubt that the idea of nuclear weapons may appeal to terrorists." However, Jenkins stresses: "Nuclear terror can also have another insidious effect, one that imperils our very democracy. Terrorism does pose a terrible danger, but our fear of real and imagined threats must not persuade us to diminish our freedoms or our core values. There is no tradeoff between security and liberty. One does not exist without the other."

As Jenkins points out, it is important to differentiate between real and existing threats. A perfect illustration is his description of al-Qaida: "Al-Qaida may have succeeded in becoming the world's first terrorist nuclear power without possessing a single nuclear weapon."


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedanukes; alqaida; globaljihad; iran; islam; jihad; mohammedanism; nuclear; terrorism; wot
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The Middle East would be a sheet of glass the next day, unless you-know-who is elected, then we'll probably apologize for thinking that a Muslim might have been the culprit.
1 posted on 07/19/2008 1:51:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hijacking a LPG super tanker and detonating it in a major harbor would be nearly as destructive as nuke.

In regards to nukes and bio, some folk like to say that it can’t be done with “cave tech” like what the islamotards have on hand. You know the cave tech they’re talking about... it’s slightly better than the late ‘50s, early ‘60s tech that churned out those really big hydrogen bombs.

Anyone ever find out what happened to those hundreds, if not thousands, of former Soviet scientists that migrated out after the wall came down?

Another question...
how many Fat Man or Little Boy sized bombs could fit in a standard issue shipping container? The tech that those were built by wouldn’t even rise to the level of current “cave tech”.


2 posted on 07/19/2008 2:06:23 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> or mad cow disease...

Or, if the terrorists aren’t complete idiots, select something that isn’t lethal to humans but highly contageous and devastating to economies. Such as foot-and-mouth disease, for example.

I am astonished that they haven’t tried this one out yet.


3 posted on 07/19/2008 2:25:29 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Grimmy

A liquefied petroeum tanker ship detonation would leave one ugly harbor for quite some time... but it would probably burn, not fully explode utilizing all of the potential chemical energy, and would probably fail to do much damage to the city outside of the port-side. It certainly wouldn’t have the body-count (few ports are within 5 miles of the population center) or the long-term effects of an actual nuclear attack... unless you meant a dirty-bomb assembled by the usual Middle East morons. It might approach that kind of damage.


4 posted on 07/19/2008 2:26:11 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: Grimmy

> Hijacking a LPG super tanker and detonating it in a major harbor would be nearly as destructive as nuke.

Detonating a medium-sized grain elevator, or setting a sugar refinery alight, would do more than plenty of damage, without requiring any special level of technology.

Detonating a port grain-handling facility would be mighty inconvenient, and would require a level of technology bordering between the moronic and the imbecilic.

An e.coli outbreak would be childishly simple to engineer, and could be done over and over and over again, defying detection until lots of people were very ill.

Foot-and-mouth disease? An outbreak would be nearly impossible to contain in a place like the United States. With no risk to the terrorist, and no easy way to stop it happening again and again and again.


5 posted on 07/19/2008 2:32:37 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All that is needed to spread an epidemic of botulism, for example, [...] is to hang around a truck stop for a few hours until a semi pulling a load of cattle on its way to market in a nearby town drives in. Wait until the driver leaves his load unattended, then scrub a previously infected rag around the railings and the mouths of a few of the cattle, and let nature do the rest.

This article is filled with scientific inaccuracies and misleading statements.

Without getting too technical, let me point out that botulism cannot be spread as described here.

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/botulism/index.asp

The pathogenic bacteria Clostidium botulinum is an anaerob, which means that it connot thrive in an oxygen-laden environment. (However, its spores are a natural component of the soil, where it can survive in a dormant state.) The neurotoxin, botulin, which the organism produces, is what kills you. It cannot be used to "infect" cattle, etc. which then might spread it to consumers. As such, it is not infectious.

Regards,

7 posted on 07/19/2008 3:40:27 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Middle East would be a sheet of glass the next day

Wishful thinking, even if McCain is POTUS. Since we as well as the world import a huge percent of their oil from the ME.

Heck, they could even attack our major institutions like our financial, military and political structures and not get nuked....................Oh, yeah. Been there already!!!

8 posted on 07/19/2008 4:07:51 AM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; swarthyguy
The Middle East would be a sheet of glass the next day...

Somehow, I doubt it. Seeing Saudi Arabia and Pakistan being rewarded as they are, after 9-11, what makes you think the ME would be nuked?

Besides, what would nuking one's own energy source do to one's economy?

9 posted on 07/19/2008 4:09:28 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Teacher317
"...unless you meant a dirty-bomb assembled by the usual Midde East morons. It might approach that kind of damage."

You are underestimating them. The 'morons' are just cannon-fodder that the real players use. Think of them as 'smart bombs' but with human brains. The real players- the ISI (not exactly M.E, but they are a player, nonetheless), etc., are not as moronic as you might imagine. Read about them; they are an extremely dangerous and determined bunch.

10 posted on 07/19/2008 4:15:57 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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The big attack is a big pr deal and deadly. But if anyone remembers what those two guys did a few years ago, sniping and shooting people all over the country and how disturbing it was, it is suggestive that constant small attacks over the country would be devastating. Just a constant chipping away at the sense of safety. I think anonymous shootings agt malls, service stations, busstops, school yards would be hideous, unpredictable and lead to everyone feeling terrorized.


11 posted on 07/19/2008 4:19:02 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Analysis: Will terrorists hijack passanger jets and fly them into major government and financial assets?


12 posted on 07/19/2008 4:20:10 AM PDT by Eddie01 (Freeper ID clue: I spy something blue and cold)
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To: cajungirl
The big attack is a big pr deal and deadly. But if anyone remembers what those two guys did a few years ago, sniping and shooting people all over the country and how disturbing it was, it is suggestive that constant small attacks over the country would be devastating. Just a constant chipping away at the sense of safety. I think anonymous shootings agt malls, service stations, busstops, school yards would be hideous, unpredictable and lead to everyone feeling terrorized.

This wouldn't work too well. After a while, people get used to it. That's what happened in Israel and India.

13 posted on 07/19/2008 4:21:30 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even a smallpox attack won’t have the effect as a nuke going off in 2 or 3 cities, and the threat that more are coming.

Nuclear attack is without a doubt, far FAR worse than the other options. A bio attack would be bad, but could possibly be no worse than the tomato scare or anthrax attack. It *can* be contained typically.

A few nukes going off randomly, and threats that any city will be next, will cause intense chaos (justifiably so) that can’t be imagined yet.


15 posted on 07/19/2008 4:36:54 AM PDT by MartinStyles
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To: alexander_busek
"botulism cannot be spread as described here."

Nor can BSE (Mad Cow Disease). The incubation time in humans can be decades, and there is no way the pathogens could make the traverse described.

16 posted on 07/19/2008 4:38:33 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More than bio-terror, mega-arson scares me. Terrorists could burn millions of acres with virtually no technology whatsoever, if they hit at the right time and place.


17 posted on 07/19/2008 5:03:40 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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Yes. Next dumb question please.

"But how will they get them?" Iran will give them away, as soon as they have 25 or so left for themselves. While the west does nothing.

18 posted on 07/19/2008 5:05:12 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I fear is economic terrorism, we are seeing a form of it right now and we have no defense for it.


19 posted on 07/19/2008 5:24:26 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (The world WILL be cleaner, safer and more productive without Islam.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I’d try a highly communicable diseasein an area of low resistance. Small pox spread in San Francisco bath houses for a start/ Maybe plague? That is relatively easy.


20 posted on 07/19/2008 5:37:58 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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