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Why did the US Lose the Vietnam War?
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Posted on 07/22/2008 4:25:19 PM PDT by shrinkermd

The truth is often overlooked in a sea of lies and mischaracterizations. The truth is not someones opinion or away of looking at something, it is simply the truth.

Gen. Giap planned and directed military operations against the French and defeated them in 1954 in the battle of Dien Bien Phu. The NVA under the command of Gen, Giap planned the now famed and offten lied about Tet Offensive against the United States in 1968. In his book Gen. Giap plainly shows that the NVA had few supplies and had been defeated in battle time and time again. The NVA moral was so low by 1968 that the Tet Offensive was the last hope of victory. Gen. Giap and the NVA saw the Tet offensive as a failure and were on their knees ready to surrender. At that time their were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casuaties and the war was about to end and the NVA were prepared to accept defeat when CBS news Anchor Walter Cronkite came on tv and proclaimed the NVA had won the Tet Offensive. The NVA were totaly suprised by this and the news that the U.S. embassy has been overrun. In reality, the NVA did'nt gain access to the embassy, there were some VC shot dead nearby. Futher reports told of riots and protests in the streets of America. According the the Gen. Giap, these distortions and lies inspired the NVA to fight on with the knowledge the protester in the U.S. would help hand them a victory they knew they could'nt win on the field of battle. Remember, at that time fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties. we lost because of lies and distortion of the plain truth by our media and those who use it for their own political gain. The lies and protesters actually prolonged the war and killed thousands more on both sides. Kinda sounds like The protest and media agenda for Irag does'nt it?

Here are some various opinion on why (and whether) the US lost the war in Vietnam:

  1. We lost the war because of America's foreign policy. It was to stop the spread of Communism, not do be rid of it. They would have been able to destroy Communism in many different times like the Korean War. Lyndon B. Johnson didn't want to be rid of Communism because that would make us sound like an Empire again like with the Philipines in the Spanish American War and right now in Iraq. We lost the war because of forfeit. Johnson said no to being rid of Communism like Truman said no to McArthur in the Korean War. We had an open door and a 100% chance of destroying Communism, but we didn't have the permission.

  2. The United States did lose the Vietnam War. They were not able to overthrow communism which was their aim as presented to the public. Pulling out is a loose term for admitting defeat. The VC were vastly superior in their tactics and numbers. They had cause to be at war, many of the GI's believed Americans did not. There is no denying it, America lost the Vietnam War.

  3. The United States pulled out of the Vietnam war. We did not lose it. Technically, we were not at war, we were advisors but the Congressional approval to fight in Vietnam was not given. If anyone lost it was the people of Laos and Cambodia who came under Communist rule after the war.

  4. Lack of interest. No one was that interested in stopping the Communists agression in the Far East. And as the war went on the cost in blood & treasure seemed extreme and fruitless. Didn't lose,just withdrew. We could have won a better deal on tungsten,rubber,chromium,China containment,security. You can't please everyone, but it helps. Kept going that long with the support of China, Russia & the U.S. allies. + the draft was ended c. 1970 that made the war more tolerable; then war crimes & napalm tuned off the rest.

  5. The only reason the US lost was because we withdrew from there. The US won every battle but the Vietnamese were willing to sacrifice many more lives than the US.

  6. They lost because the politicians did not let the military do their job. They made decisions that should have been made by generals. Politicians should not make tactical decisions.

  7. The people of South Vietnam did not want to fight that war and the U.S.A. didn't want to fight that whole war for them without much help from them.

  8. Some of these answers are so deluded. America lost the war in vietnam for various reasons. A few of the reasons are listed below, providing some idea of what happened in Vietnam even if it is a shallow overview: The US troops completely underestimated the VC,who were skilled jungle fighters, and also had mass peasant support. The American tactic 'search and destroy' increased VC support. As one soldier said "If they weren�t VC before we got there, they sure as hell were by the time we left"

  9. I don't think that some of these answers were from deluded people. There are several reasons as to why we didn't win the war. There is truth in most of the answers given. True, we alienated a lot of the Vietnamese because of atrocities but we weren't the ones that were going into villages and disembowling the leaders or raping their women or taking a machette to babies. The VC did that. Yes, there were some unfortunate incidents like Me Lai but that is one incident compared to thousands of atrocities that the enemy soldiers did. Second, the US military was extremely handicapped by both the war planners and the US media. In order to make bombing runs we had to contact a war planner back in the States to get permission to make a bombing run. Then we were not allowed to bomb anything close to a civilian area no matter how strategically important it was because we were humane enough to want to not injure the North Vietnamese civilians. Were the North Vietnamese that concerned about not hurting anyone? Absolutley not. They had no compassion whatsoever. They placed no value whatsoever on human life. Sometimes when they would attack to try to overrun our bases the first wave of soldiers' purpose was to die on top the barbed wire perimeter so that their fellow comrades could walk over their bodies and enter the compound. They were so fanatical they would fight till the last man was dead. As far as the Vietcong being a skilled fighting force that is a crock. They were poor, not very well trained, deluded people who were virtually eliminated after they made a massive attempt in 1968 to take over the country. They were temporary successful but once the US military got to work, end of story. We literally slaughtered them. Then there is the US media who were probably the biggest traitors to the US cause and have a lot of our young men and womens blood on their hands. It seems so strange that when we would announce to the media that we were going to make a bombing run to a certain location that when the bombers would get there that the enemy soldiers would be gone. And the media also helped to stir up the anti-war movement back home thus being an ally of our own enemy. Right before we decided to pull out of the war we had the North close to surrendering. But you won't hear that from the news media. We had killed close to a million enemy soldiers.

  10. The US did not lose the war. The Paris accords were signed and all but 1,500 U.S troops were still in Vietnam when Saigon fell. The reason Saigon fell was also the fact that the South Vietnamese Army was not willing to stand and fight for their own country.

  11. America didnt lose the war in terms of politics. THe Paris Agreement states that the US won as troops were still in vietnam at the time. In terms of casualties and deaths, however, I think it was pretty equal going.


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How a person, especially a politician, answers this question determines how they see America and how they see the Iraq War.
1 posted on 07/22/2008 4:25:19 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
America did not lose the war militarily. We fought and bombed the North to the negotiating table where a peace was struck that was very favorable to the South and the US. We then began withdrawing and for all intents and purposes, the war had been won.

Then, two years later, the North violated their own treaty and invaded.

We simple did not re-engage and continued a percipitous withdrawal.

It was a shameful display by our politicians. We lost politically as almost all of the enemy leaders wrote in their memoirs, even though they admitted to losing time and again, and abjectly, militarily on the battlefield.

It has taken us decades to overcome it and now we have a candidate who wants to repeat the same mistake again.

2 posted on 07/22/2008 4:29:51 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: shrinkermd

Democrat Congress defunded South Vietnam, and it fell.


3 posted on 07/22/2008 4:29:58 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: shrinkermd

Bull Sh**. The only answer to this is that the US did NOT lose the war. The politicians forced a withdrawal on us. The Vietcong was done, we won but the MSM lied and more soldiers died. There are no various answers, only one truthful answer. The US was betrayed by the left wing media and by communist a**hats such as Jane Fonda. I was there, I lived through it. Tout your “it depends on your point of view” somewhere else. We lost because the frickin’ communist traitors here in the US forced it on us.


4 posted on 07/22/2008 4:31:17 PM PDT by calex59
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To: shrinkermd

ABC, CBS, NBC, NYT...


5 posted on 07/22/2008 4:32:12 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: Jeff Head

Yes, I agree, but the conventional wisdom is we did lose the VietNam War. The MSM, colleges, universities and many others frequently refer to the war as lost, and I would guess that this has convinced the majority of the population of this view.


6 posted on 07/22/2008 4:32:42 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Uncle Miltie
An embittered and tearful President Thieu resigned on the same day, declaring that the United States had betrayed South Vietnam. In a scathing attack on the US, he suggested U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had tricked him into signing the Paris peace agreement two years ago, promising military aid which then failed to materialise.

"At the time of the peace agreement the United States agreed to replace equipment on a one-by-one basis," he said. "But the United States did not keep its word. Is an American's word reliable these days?" He continued, "The United States did not keep its promise to help us fight for freedom and it was in the same fight that the United States lost 50,000 of its young men."[121]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

7 posted on 07/22/2008 4:32:55 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: calex59

God bless you my friend. My dad was also there and it was with him till the day he died. The only answer is the Communist left and the media. Walter Kronasswipe.


8 posted on 07/22/2008 4:34:40 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: shrinkermd
There was a program about Dien Bien Phu on TV several years ago. I had never really studied the battle and still don't know that much about it.

There is one thing about it which struck me as the only thing that mattered. The French were out numbered something like 100 to 1 and fought about as well as any soldiers have ever fought. The Communists were not brilliant or brave or anything heroic. They simply overwhelmed the French. After they won, they then demonstrated real brutality toward their victims.

9 posted on 07/22/2008 4:34:42 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: calex59

Amen.


10 posted on 07/22/2008 4:34:51 PM PDT by pipecorp ( Al Lahsucks (boat steersman ) hell)
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To: shrinkermd
The reason Saigon fell was also the fact that the South Vietnamese Army was not willing to stand and fight for their own country.

The reason Saigon fell was also the fact that the South Vietnamese Army had no arms with which to fight for their own country, courtesy of the US Congress controlled by Democrats reneging on treaty obligations.

11 posted on 07/22/2008 4:34:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Gerald Ford took over as U.S. president on August 9, 1974 after President Nixon resigned due to the Watergate scandal. At this time, Congress cut financial aid to South Vietnam from $1 billion a year to $700 million. The U.S. midterm elections in 1974 brought in a new Congress dominated by Democrats who were even more determined to confront the president on the war. Congress immediately voted in restrictions on funding and military activities to be phased in through 1975 and to culminate in a total cutoff of funding in 1976.


12 posted on 07/22/2008 4:35:24 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: shrinkermd
Lose the Vietnam War?

..the only thing we lost in Viet Nam was a propaganda war.

We simply withdrew and the political left made sure that the Communists defeated S. Viet Nam--We Did Not Lose...

13 posted on 07/22/2008 4:36:04 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: calex59

Thank you for your service in time of war. My DEROS was 17 May 1969. I have never thought we lost, but almost everyone I know professionally does believe we lost.

If the MSM wanted truth, they could ask Senators McCain and Obama whether they believe the US lost the VietNam War. That would be an answer worth listening to.


14 posted on 07/22/2008 4:36:49 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

The Vietnam War was a win.

The purpose was to stop the advance of Communism. North Vietnam could have been taken in any given three week period, but that was not the purpose.

Communism stopped right there. The Leftists and Fellow Travellers never saw that and still don’t.


15 posted on 07/22/2008 4:36:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: shrinkermd

12. We lost the war because John Kerry only stayed 3 months. Had he stayed the full tour of duty, he would have won the war by himself.


16 posted on 07/22/2008 4:37:12 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: RightWhale
"The Vietnam War was a win. Communism stopped right there."

A few million Cambodians would care to disagree:

Oh yeah, they can't.

17 posted on 07/22/2008 4:39:09 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: shrinkermd

The question should be, “How did the US lose the Vietnam War after winning it?”

Answer: the commie-symp Congress


18 posted on 07/22/2008 4:42:05 PM PDT by KingSnorky
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To: Uncle Miltie

Give the man a cigar—as long as it’s not a Cuban cigar.


19 posted on 07/22/2008 4:42:24 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: shrinkermd
Thank you for your service in time of war. My DEROS was 17 May 1969. I have never thought we lost, but almost everyone I know professionally does believe we lost. If the MSM wanted truth, they could ask Senators McCain and Obama whether they believe the US lost the VietNam War. That would be an answer worth listening to.

God bless you for your service. I know we never lost. Thanks for your support.

20 posted on 07/22/2008 4:42:36 PM PDT by calex59
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To: shrinkermd

Why did ted kennedy leave a young girl to drown,why did walter cronkite stand up and point at a map?


21 posted on 07/22/2008 4:43:16 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: shrinkermd
Nice letter, but not very well researched.

We lost in Vietnam because we took too long. The American people stuck by us for nearly eight long years as our government diddled (LBJ choosing which targets we could strike in the North, etc.), our combat leadership failed to adapt to the enemy's tactics or just reacted too slowly, and bit by bit, the enemy won the propaganda war by influencing the "peace" movement, our media, then the American people.

Our leaders completely underestimated the size, capabilities and resiliency of the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong and wasted incalculable amounts of lives and treasure by applying inappropriate weapons and tactics in what was a true counterinsurgency war. The South Vietnamese were good people and they deserved to be saved from the Communists but we did not succeed.

I will never regret fighting in the Vietnam War nor stop cherishing the fellow soldier, sailors and Marines that fought there with me, but unless we ferret out and face the truths of that war, we will not have faithfully served this generation of warriors.

22 posted on 07/22/2008 4:43:31 PM PDT by Chinstrap61a
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To: shrinkermd
Missing the most important reason. After the Tet Offensive, Walter Cronkite met with General Westmoreland and other high ranking US military commanders who told him the Vietcong had been basically wiped out and the NVA was completely defensive and had NO offensive capabilities.

After hearing that, "Uncle Walt" went on the air with his "Broadcast from Vietnam" and told the American people

We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi's winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that-negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms. For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.

To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.

This is Walter Cronkite. Good night.

Thus began the age of the MSM dictating US policy, both abroad and domestic having never been elected or appointed by the American people.

23 posted on 07/22/2008 4:43:46 PM PDT by txroadkill (Liberals believe that the only oppressed people in Cuba are the terrorist in GitMo)
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To: shrinkermd

Ooo! Ooo! I know the answer to that one: Because Walter Cronkeit lied every night to SeeBS’s huge, gullible audience, telling them that the US was losing the war, thus eroding support of our military during wartime.

Giap couldn’t believe his good fortune in having dolts such as LBJ and McNamara in charge of the war, and the Left in charge of the rabble on both our coasts.

Why in the world would any sane voter put a Democrat in office as CIC after the disastrous experiences we have had?


24 posted on 07/22/2008 4:44:55 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: shrinkermd
How a person, especially a politician, answers this question determines how they see America and how they see the Iraq War.

Yes, the present divisions date from then, when the Dems were taken over by the McGovernites and threw out the Jackson Democrats.

Find out how someone feels about the Vietnam War and abortion and you pretty much know where they stand these days.

25 posted on 07/22/2008 4:45:30 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: Uncle Miltie

My opinion is not widely shared. But, the Dominoes did not fall. Communism fell.


26 posted on 07/22/2008 4:47:35 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: shrinkermd
I take every opportunity with my own kids, their friends, on forums, and in my conversations with anyone who indicates such a belief to educate tham as regards the truth.
27 posted on 07/22/2008 4:47:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: shrinkermd
"We" didn't lose the war. The Democrat Congress did by pulling our promised funding for military aid and supplies for the South Vietnamese. You can't fight an invading army with pleas for peace.

It's kinda like their template for Iraq...

28 posted on 07/22/2008 4:48:00 PM PDT by Gritty (The record is clear. At every opportunity, the American hard left has sided with the enemy-J.R.Dunn)
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To: shrinkermd

The real answer begins with a clear understanding that the ‘Vietnam War’ [sic] was actually the Vietnam campaign in WW III (a.k.a. the Cold War).

The campaign was a military success, but treasonous elements in the United States Congress prevented the accords which lead to the American withdrawal from being carried out: we were supposed to bomb the bejeezus out of North Vietnam if they invaded after we pulled out, and we didn’t.

As a result the fruits of the successful military campaign were lost and South Vietnam fell under Communist domination.

Again thanks to all WW III vets, whatever campaign you served in, and congratulations on whatever role you played in the victory we won with the collapse of the Soviet Union.


29 posted on 07/22/2008 4:48:53 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: kittymyrib
The main problem was simply fighting it not to win. I think McArthur said something about that in the Korean War.

We fought the entire war on their rules. we could have won it easily and quickly but we simply refused to do what was necessary.

Sort of like trying to win a prize fight with one arm tied behind your back.

30 posted on 07/22/2008 4:48:58 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: shrinkermd
we didn't lose... we QUIT!!!
32 posted on 07/22/2008 4:57:05 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: RightWhale

May I recommend the Soviet’s Afghan war as their high water mark, after which they fell?

Success against South Vietnam generally enhanced the Communists cause. Afghanistan crushed them.

Thanks Ronaldus Magnus, Maggie and il Papa.


33 posted on 07/22/2008 4:58:22 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: calex59
We lost because the frickin’ communist traitors here in the US forced it on us.

I like your answer the best, but it needs some modification. Initially, the US public supports the military in a war, but that support is gradually undermined by the the traitors in our midst. Thus, we have a fairly limited opportunity to do whatever is necessary to defeat the enemy, before the guilt-trippers take over.

Clearly, we were not willing to risk nuclear war with the USSR over Vietnam. And short of that, we are stuck fighting a holding operation, that can only sap the enemy until political pressures from the traitors pull us out. We should have flattened Fallujah the very minute that pictures of dead burnt bodies of Americans were hanging from that bridge, the American people understood that.

The simple truth is, during the initial surge, you can get away with whatever you want, unless it would provoke an equal and opposite reaction from the other side. Any President who doesn't understand this has no business sending our armed forces into battle in a place that we have no intention of keeping.

34 posted on 07/22/2008 5:04:55 PM PDT by hunter112 (The 'straight talk express' gets the straight finger express from me.)
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To: calex59

Exactly right. The blood of those slaughtered when S. Viet Nam fell is on the heads of the Media Marxists and the Democratic Congress people who forced us into failure.


35 posted on 07/22/2008 5:21:38 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Tony Snow founnd out - to live is Christ, to die is gain....Thanks be to God for Tony's life!)
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To: Jeff Head

Thw war was lost because the Democrat-controlled Congress cut off all funding for it and left our South Vietnamese allies hanging, all the while USSR and the ChiComs were bankrolling the NVA. The Democrat-controlled Congress also threatened to cut off funding for US operations if there was no end to US involvement by the end of 1972 (the “cease fire” was signed in January, 1973). I remember that very well, because I was in the US Air Force, in Air Force Intelligence (it was called the USAFSS back in those days). The Democrats castrated our military and were complicit in the slaughter of the South Vietnamese. I have hated Democrats since that time.


36 posted on 07/22/2008 5:30:14 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: calex59

Amen, bro.


37 posted on 07/22/2008 5:33:48 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: doc1019; hunter112; Freedom'sWorthIt

To all you guys, thanks for the response, we know we won and history will show it someday. We may be dead and gone but history will show it.


38 posted on 07/22/2008 5:38:19 PM PDT by calex59
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To: shrinkermd
We lost the war because we allowed our military to be driven to achieve POLITICAL objectives instead of MILITARY objectives. That was a great disservice to our best and brightest.

Haiphong harbor is an unusual harbor. It is man made not natural. It needed to be dredged if large ships carrying the materials of war were to enter this harbor. All we needed to was BOMB THE DREDGING EQUIPMENT,and if it was replaced bomb it again. The politicians who were no more than traitors REFUSED to allow the DREDGING equipment to bombed. Our so called allies and who knows maybe traitorous profiteers among never lost the ability to provide the North war supplies through Haiphong Harbor.

39 posted on 07/22/2008 5:42:02 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: shrinkermd

Walter Crankcase.


40 posted on 07/22/2008 5:44:22 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: shrinkermd
In my first-hand stateside experience, #9 has it:
Then there is the US media who were probably the biggest traitors to the US cause
I have never trusted the media since then. To hear that Krankheit ("sickness", to give the German spelling of Walter's name) was in the forefront just angers me the more.
41 posted on 07/22/2008 5:45:25 PM PDT by sionnsar (There is life after TEC |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: shrinkermd

We think we lost the war In Vietnam? It was after all only one half of a former french slave colony. But in 1945 we think we won yet we lost to russia central and eastern europe, and China.


42 posted on 07/22/2008 5:55:54 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: shrinkermd

We lost the Viet Nam conflict only because of public opinion that was manipulated by Walter Cronkite and the rest of the media. Period.


43 posted on 07/22/2008 6:02:57 PM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" white guy)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Jon Carry’s treasonous pals in the Demagogue Party forced a cut-off of funding and supplies which did the work for the communist scum.


44 posted on 07/22/2008 6:06:54 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMESSIAH: "Pay no attention to that pitiful little man behind the curtain!")
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To: shrinkermd
Yes, “We” (the United States collectively) lost the Vietnam War. That is simply to state the obvious.

Your question asks how. There are a lot of different parts of the answer to that question. As a veteran of the war, I have my own opinions. But for a summary of the basic facts concerning the end of the Vietnam War, the wikipedia article is not bad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war#Final_North_Vietnamese_offensive

At bottom, it is very difficult to defeat an opponent with effectively limitless material resources in critical war materials and a determination to win so strong that it will sacrifice substantial portions of its own population to secure victory. It is doubly difficult for the defender when he loses the material support needed to fight such an onslaught through the perfidy of its main ally.

Since the US Congress controlled the purse strings at the time, it must bear the lion's share of the responsibility for “losing” the war.

At the end, the South Vietnamese were poorly led militarily and politically. But this is just to say people can become confused and can panic in the midst of a existential crisis. Where they were properly equipped and lead (such as the 18th ARVN Divison defense at Xuan Loc), the South Vietnamese fought with skill and determination.

45 posted on 07/22/2008 6:07:32 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: txroadkill
"the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster

Good ol' Uncle Walter, hallucinating again after drinking the LSD-laced leftist Koolaid.

We had it just about won, until Walter and the liberal media propagandized the public into allowing the Democrats to piss it all away.

Someone should do a serious study of liberal hysteria over the past few decades, including the recent hyperventilating by Albore. It's unreal how many liberals display no basic rationality at all when they are trying to arouse public passions via demagogic fraud.
46 posted on 07/22/2008 6:12:56 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMESSIAH: "Pay no attention to that pitiful little man behind the curtain!")
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To: shrinkermd

WE lost the war because we for whatever reasons abandoned the battle field.

My take, it was that the American psyche could not cope with how far the Viet Cong would take it.

They endured 1.5 million lost, and they were willing to strap bombs on their children (4 years old) and send them out into a firefight.

If a man has a consciousness, and he took children down, that has to do something to him.

I was not there, I am a US Army Air Cav Viet Nam Era Vet and I served with a lot of those guys.


47 posted on 07/22/2008 6:15:57 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: calex59

Yes, we had it won militarily.

But the MEDIA and the DEMONRATS snatched defeat from the mouth of victory - because BOTH are fellow traveling communists who could not stand to see their comrades defeated.


48 posted on 07/22/2008 6:17:22 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Tony Snow founnd out - to live is Christ, to die is gain....Thanks be to God for Tony's life!)
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To: shrinkermd

other good source materials (IMHO)

Three Big Lies About the Vietnam War
by Michael Medved (2-AUDIO CD DISC SET)
https://www.treefarmtapes.com/catalog/product.asp?productid=14142

(VOA saw this documentary a couple of years ago. One of the interviewees was
a young history prof from one of the California State Univ. campi.
I was shocked that he didn’t just parrot the liberal line about
Vietnam. While the summary below says Tet cost the USA the war...
it was a good documentary and a fairer view of those crisis days of
The Tet Offensive than found in 99% of the MSM. I was sort of suprised
that the complacency of the US command before Tet sounds about like
the calm before The Battle of The Bulge.)

Declassified - Tet Offensive (History Channel)
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=103320&name=Declassified+DVD+Collection


It began with a suicide attack on the U.S. Embassy Compound.
It ended with some 80,000 casualties, and though technically
the Americans won the battle, it essentially cost them the war—
and claimed President Johnson’s political career. The year was 1968
and this decisive military action came to be known as the Tet Offensive.
Newly uncovered materials, including long-ignored CIA warnings of
a sneak attack, help reveal the story of the battle that broke the
stalemate in Southeast Asia.


49 posted on 07/22/2008 6:22:02 PM PDT by VOA
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To: shrinkermd
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50 posted on 07/22/2008 7:10:06 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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