Skip to comments.Why did the US Lose the Vietnam War?
Posted on 07/22/2008 4:25:19 PM PDT by shrinkermd
The truth is often overlooked in a sea of lies and mischaracterizations. The truth is not someones opinion or away of looking at something, it is simply the truth.
Gen. Giap planned and directed military operations against the French and defeated them in 1954 in the battle of Dien Bien Phu. The NVA under the command of Gen, Giap planned the now famed and offten lied about Tet Offensive against the United States in 1968. In his book Gen. Giap plainly shows that the NVA had few supplies and had been defeated in battle time and time again. The NVA moral was so low by 1968 that the Tet Offensive was the last hope of victory. Gen. Giap and the NVA saw the Tet offensive as a failure and were on their knees ready to surrender. At that time their were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casuaties and the war was about to end and the NVA were prepared to accept defeat when CBS news Anchor Walter Cronkite came on tv and proclaimed the NVA had won the Tet Offensive. The NVA were totaly suprised by this and the news that the U.S. embassy has been overrun. In reality, the NVA did'nt gain access to the embassy, there were some VC shot dead nearby. Futher reports told of riots and protests in the streets of America. According the the Gen. Giap, these distortions and lies inspired the NVA to fight on with the knowledge the protester in the U.S. would help hand them a victory they knew they could'nt win on the field of battle. Remember, at that time fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties. we lost because of lies and distortion of the plain truth by our media and those who use it for their own political gain. The lies and protesters actually prolonged the war and killed thousands more on both sides. Kinda sounds like The protest and media agenda for Irag does'nt it?
Here are some various opinion on why (and whether) the US lost the war in Vietnam:
Then, two years later, the North violated their own treaty and invaded.
We simple did not re-engage and continued a percipitous withdrawal.
It was a shameful display by our politicians. We lost politically as almost all of the enemy leaders wrote in their memoirs, even though they admitted to losing time and again, and abjectly, militarily on the battlefield.
It has taken us decades to overcome it and now we have a candidate who wants to repeat the same mistake again.
Democrat Congress defunded South Vietnam, and it fell.
Bull Sh**. The only answer to this is that the US did NOT lose the war. The politicians forced a withdrawal on us. The Vietcong was done, we won but the MSM lied and more soldiers died. There are no various answers, only one truthful answer. The US was betrayed by the left wing media and by communist a**hats such as Jane Fonda. I was there, I lived through it. Tout your “it depends on your point of view” somewhere else. We lost because the frickin’ communist traitors here in the US forced it on us.
ABC, CBS, NBC, NYT...
Yes, I agree, but the conventional wisdom is we did lose the VietNam War. The MSM, colleges, universities and many others frequently refer to the war as lost, and I would guess that this has convinced the majority of the population of this view.
"At the time of the peace agreement the United States agreed to replace equipment on a one-by-one basis," he said. "But the United States did not keep its word. Is an American's word reliable these days?" He continued, "The United States did not keep its promise to help us fight for freedom and it was in the same fight that the United States lost 50,000 of its young men."
God bless you my friend. My dad was also there and it was with him till the day he died. The only answer is the Communist left and the media. Walter Kronasswipe.
There is one thing about it which struck me as the only thing that mattered. The French were out numbered something like 100 to 1 and fought about as well as any soldiers have ever fought. The Communists were not brilliant or brave or anything heroic. They simply overwhelmed the French. After they won, they then demonstrated real brutality toward their victims.
The reason Saigon fell was also the fact that the South Vietnamese Army had no arms with which to fight for their own country, courtesy of the US Congress controlled by Democrats reneging on treaty obligations.
Gerald Ford took over as U.S. president on August 9, 1974 after President Nixon resigned due to the Watergate scandal. At this time, Congress cut financial aid to South Vietnam from $1 billion a year to $700 million. The U.S. midterm elections in 1974 brought in a new Congress dominated by Democrats who were even more determined to confront the president on the war. Congress immediately voted in restrictions on funding and military activities to be phased in through 1975 and to culminate in a total cutoff of funding in 1976.
..the only thing we lost in Viet Nam was a propaganda war.
We simply withdrew and the political left made sure that the Communists defeated S. Viet Nam--We Did Not Lose...
Thank you for your service in time of war. My DEROS was 17 May 1969. I have never thought we lost, but almost everyone I know professionally does believe we lost.
If the MSM wanted truth, they could ask Senators McCain and Obama whether they believe the US lost the VietNam War. That would be an answer worth listening to.
The Vietnam War was a win.
The purpose was to stop the advance of Communism. North Vietnam could have been taken in any given three week period, but that was not the purpose.
Communism stopped right there. The Leftists and Fellow Travellers never saw that and still don’t.
12. We lost the war because John Kerry only stayed 3 months. Had he stayed the full tour of duty, he would have won the war by himself.
A few million Cambodians would care to disagree:
Oh yeah, they can't.
The question should be, “How did the US lose the Vietnam War after winning it?”
Answer: the commie-symp Congress
Give the man a cigar—as long as it’s not a Cuban cigar.
God bless you for your service. I know we never lost. Thanks for your support.
Why did ted kennedy leave a young girl to drown,why did walter cronkite stand up and point at a map?
We lost in Vietnam because we took too long. The American people stuck by us for nearly eight long years as our government diddled (LBJ choosing which targets we could strike in the North, etc.), our combat leadership failed to adapt to the enemy's tactics or just reacted too slowly, and bit by bit, the enemy won the propaganda war by influencing the "peace" movement, our media, then the American people.
Our leaders completely underestimated the size, capabilities and resiliency of the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong and wasted incalculable amounts of lives and treasure by applying inappropriate weapons and tactics in what was a true counterinsurgency war. The South Vietnamese were good people and they deserved to be saved from the Communists but we did not succeed.
I will never regret fighting in the Vietnam War nor stop cherishing the fellow soldier, sailors and Marines that fought there with me, but unless we ferret out and face the truths of that war, we will not have faithfully served this generation of warriors.
After hearing that, "Uncle Walt" went on the air with his "Broadcast from Vietnam" and told the American people
We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi's winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that-negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms. For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.
To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.
This is Walter Cronkite. Good night.
Thus began the age of the MSM dictating US policy, both abroad and domestic having never been elected or appointed by the American people.
Ooo! Ooo! I know the answer to that one: Because Walter Cronkeit lied every night to SeeBS’s huge, gullible audience, telling them that the US was losing the war, thus eroding support of our military during wartime.
Giap couldn’t believe his good fortune in having dolts such as LBJ and McNamara in charge of the war, and the Left in charge of the rabble on both our coasts.
Why in the world would any sane voter put a Democrat in office as CIC after the disastrous experiences we have had?
Yes, the present divisions date from then, when the Dems were taken over by the McGovernites and threw out the Jackson Democrats.
Find out how someone feels about the Vietnam War and abortion and you pretty much know where they stand these days.
My opinion is not widely shared. But, the Dominoes did not fall. Communism fell.
It's kinda like their template for Iraq...
The real answer begins with a clear understanding that the ‘Vietnam War’ [sic] was actually the Vietnam campaign in WW III (a.k.a. the Cold War).
The campaign was a military success, but treasonous elements in the United States Congress prevented the accords which lead to the American withdrawal from being carried out: we were supposed to bomb the bejeezus out of North Vietnam if they invaded after we pulled out, and we didn’t.
As a result the fruits of the successful military campaign were lost and South Vietnam fell under Communist domination.
Again thanks to all WW III vets, whatever campaign you served in, and congratulations on whatever role you played in the victory we won with the collapse of the Soviet Union.
We fought the entire war on their rules. we could have won it easily and quickly but we simply refused to do what was necessary.
Sort of like trying to win a prize fight with one arm tied behind your back.
May I recommend the Soviet’s Afghan war as their high water mark, after which they fell?
Success against South Vietnam generally enhanced the Communists cause. Afghanistan crushed them.
Thanks Ronaldus Magnus, Maggie and il Papa.
I like your answer the best, but it needs some modification. Initially, the US public supports the military in a war, but that support is gradually undermined by the the traitors in our midst. Thus, we have a fairly limited opportunity to do whatever is necessary to defeat the enemy, before the guilt-trippers take over.
Clearly, we were not willing to risk nuclear war with the USSR over Vietnam. And short of that, we are stuck fighting a holding operation, that can only sap the enemy until political pressures from the traitors pull us out. We should have flattened Fallujah the very minute that pictures of dead burnt bodies of Americans were hanging from that bridge, the American people understood that.
The simple truth is, during the initial surge, you can get away with whatever you want, unless it would provoke an equal and opposite reaction from the other side. Any President who doesn't understand this has no business sending our armed forces into battle in a place that we have no intention of keeping.
Exactly right. The blood of those slaughtered when S. Viet Nam fell is on the heads of the Media Marxists and the Democratic Congress people who forced us into failure.
Thw war was lost because the Democrat-controlled Congress cut off all funding for it and left our South Vietnamese allies hanging, all the while USSR and the ChiComs were bankrolling the NVA. The Democrat-controlled Congress also threatened to cut off funding for US operations if there was no end to US involvement by the end of 1972 (the “cease fire” was signed in January, 1973). I remember that very well, because I was in the US Air Force, in Air Force Intelligence (it was called the USAFSS back in those days). The Democrats castrated our military and were complicit in the slaughter of the South Vietnamese. I have hated Democrats since that time.
To all you guys, thanks for the response, we know we won and history will show it someday. We may be dead and gone but history will show it.
Haiphong harbor is an unusual harbor. It is man made not natural. It needed to be dredged if large ships carrying the materials of war were to enter this harbor. All we needed to was BOMB THE DREDGING EQUIPMENT,and if it was replaced bomb it again. The politicians who were no more than traitors REFUSED to allow the DREDGING equipment to bombed. Our so called allies and who knows maybe traitorous profiteers among never lost the ability to provide the North war supplies through Haiphong Harbor.
Then there is the US media who were probably the biggest traitors to the US causeI have never trusted the media since then. To hear that Krankheit ("sickness", to give the German spelling of Walter's name) was in the forefront just angers me the more.
We think we lost the war In Vietnam? It was after all only one half of a former french slave colony. But in 1945 we think we won yet we lost to russia central and eastern europe, and China.
We lost the Viet Nam conflict only because of public opinion that was manipulated by Walter Cronkite and the rest of the media. Period.
Jon Carry’s treasonous pals in the Demagogue Party forced a cut-off of funding and supplies which did the work for the communist scum.
Your question asks how. There are a lot of different parts of the answer to that question. As a veteran of the war, I have my own opinions. But for a summary of the basic facts concerning the end of the Vietnam War, the wikipedia article is not bad:
At bottom, it is very difficult to defeat an opponent with effectively limitless material resources in critical war materials and a determination to win so strong that it will sacrifice substantial portions of its own population to secure victory. It is doubly difficult for the defender when he loses the material support needed to fight such an onslaught through the perfidy of its main ally.
Since the US Congress controlled the purse strings at the time, it must bear the lion's share of the responsibility for “losing” the war.
At the end, the South Vietnamese were poorly led militarily and politically. But this is just to say people can become confused and can panic in the midst of a existential crisis. Where they were properly equipped and lead (such as the 18th ARVN Divison defense at Xuan Loc), the South Vietnamese fought with skill and determination.
WE lost the war because we for whatever reasons abandoned the battle field.
My take, it was that the American psyche could not cope with how far the Viet Cong would take it.
They endured 1.5 million lost, and they were willing to strap bombs on their children (4 years old) and send them out into a firefight.
If a man has a consciousness, and he took children down, that has to do something to him.
I was not there, I am a US Army Air Cav Viet Nam Era Vet and I served with a lot of those guys.
Yes, we had it won militarily.
But the MEDIA and the DEMONRATS snatched defeat from the mouth of victory - because BOTH are fellow traveling communists who could not stand to see their comrades defeated.
other good source materials (IMHO)
Three Big Lies About the Vietnam War
by Michael Medved (2-AUDIO CD DISC SET)
(VOA saw this documentary a couple of years ago. One of the interviewees was
a young history prof from one of the California State Univ. campi.
I was shocked that he didn’t just parrot the liberal line about
Vietnam. While the summary below says Tet cost the USA the war...
it was a good documentary and a fairer view of those crisis days of
The Tet Offensive than found in 99% of the MSM. I was sort of suprised
that the complacency of the US command before Tet sounds about like
the calm before The Battle of The Bulge.)
Declassified - Tet Offensive (History Channel)
It began with a suicide attack on the U.S. Embassy Compound.
It ended with some 80,000 casualties, and though technically
the Americans won the battle, it essentially cost them the war—
and claimed President Johnson’s political career. The year was 1968
and this decisive military action came to be known as the Tet Offensive.
Newly uncovered materials, including long-ignored CIA warnings of
a sneak attack, help reveal the story of the battle that broke the
stalemate in Southeast Asia.