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Dinko Sakic, Who Led WWII (Croatian)Death Camp, Dies at 86
NYT ^ | 7/23/08 | DOUGLAS MARTIN

Posted on 07/24/2008 4:34:58 PM PDT by Bokababe

Dinko Sakic arrived at the concentration camp known as the “Auschwitz of the Balkans” riding a white horse, wearing a tailored black uniform with polished black boots and carrying a whip and a submachine gun, survivors remembered.

His brazenness continued even after Croatia went down to defeat with Nazi Germany, its ally. He fled to Argentina, where he lived for a half century under his real name, making no attempt to hide. In his last decade of freedom, he gave interviews saying he was proud of what he had done and would gladly do it again......

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: croatia; deathcamps; obituary; ustashi; wwii
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Guys like him walked around free for 60 years. Most of them dies of natural causes in their homes, not in prison.
1 posted on 07/24/2008 4:34:59 PM PDT by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe

I’m shocked that the “Long Arm” of Israel did not snuff this murdering scum out.


2 posted on 07/24/2008 4:36:23 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Bokababe

Glad he’s dead. He’ll be in a worse prison from now until, well, eternity.


3 posted on 07/24/2008 4:36:27 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

4 posted on 07/24/2008 4:37:21 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

Is Obama going to pay his respects?


5 posted on 07/24/2008 4:38:50 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: AmericaUnited
"I’m shocked that the “Long Arm” of Israel did not snuff this murdering scum out."

Most like him never saw the inside of a prison. This guy's boss, Andrija Artukovic, lived openly in the US until the mid-1980's when he was finally deported. But everyone had known who he was and what he had done for all those years.

6 posted on 07/24/2008 4:42:48 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: mass55th

Maybe he can place a wreath on his tomb, with an Obama 08 banner across it.


7 posted on 07/24/2008 4:47:13 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Bokababe
He was the protégé of Vjekoslav Luburic, the leader of all Croatian concentration camps, including Jasenovac, a sprawling 150-square-mile conglomeration of several camps. It quickly became known for a brutality that shocked even visiting Nazi officials, one of whom likened it to Dante’s hell. Camp employees devised a knife for the express purpose of slitting throats.

It must have taken quite a lot to "shock Nazi officials".

8 posted on 07/24/2008 4:47:32 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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Off to his just reward.

9 posted on 07/24/2008 4:53:47 PM PDT by SJackson (Barack Obama will not be coming to us, I don't know why, Spokesperson US military hospital Landstuhl)
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To: Bokababe

There are so many real soldiers that risk their lives for their country in battles against other soldiers (who have the ability to shoot back). Then you get guys like this, armed with submachine guns brutalizing unarmed mostly starving men, women, and children. How brave. Not only was Sakic a sadist, but also a candy ass.


10 posted on 07/24/2008 4:57:51 PM PDT by Rosemont ($4+ for gas. Can we drill now?)
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To: Bokababe

I did some checking... this guy WAS in fact charged and convicted of war crimes in 1999. He was sentenced to 20 years which was the maximum in Croatia at the time...


11 posted on 07/24/2008 4:59:41 PM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: mass55th

only if it is “appropriate”


12 posted on 07/24/2008 5:00:35 PM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: Always Right; mass55th; Bokababe

“Maybe he can place a wreath on his tomb, with an Obama 08 banner across it.”

Yeah, just like Reagan did at Bitburg, right?


13 posted on 07/24/2008 5:01:19 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Rosemont
There are so many real soldiers that risk their lives for their country in battles against other soldiers (who have the ability to shoot back). Then you get guys like this, armed with submachine guns brutalizing unarmed mostly starving men, women, and children. How brave. Not only was Sakic a sadist, but also a candy ass.

This was a constant moral issue on the Eastern Front. Wehrmacht combat units frequently complained about Einsatzkommandos swaggering about the rear and acting tough by rounding up and killing civilians who couldn't shoot back.

14 posted on 07/24/2008 5:07:17 PM PDT by fso301
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To: John123
"I did some checking... this guy WAS in fact charged and convicted of war crimes in 1999. He was sentenced to 20 years which was the maximum in Croatia at the time..."

Yes, that's true and the article should ave been clearer about that. But as the article mentioned:

"Many news reports said Croatia decided to extradite Mr. Sakic only to keep him out of the hands of Serbs in the remnants of Yugoslavia, which was also trying to bring him to trial."

There is another Ustashe like Sakic still out there. His name is Milivoj Asner. He is #4 on Operation Last Chance's most wanted list. He was last seen at a Croatian soccer match in Austria, where Austrai claims "he is too sick to stand trial". A reporter tracked Asner & his wife walking around town and sipping wine at the bars for over an hour -- "too sick" indeed.

15 posted on 07/24/2008 5:15:31 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: AmericaUnited

Actually, an Israeli family bought his ticket to Argentina since he freed them from the Jasenovac camp. They didn’t have to since that was after the war, but they decided to help him out since he helped them out.


16 posted on 07/24/2008 5:44:34 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Rosemont

Actually, most of those in the camp were captured Communists.


17 posted on 07/24/2008 5:45:17 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian

Actually you are full of BS right now! Decent man knows when to shut his mouth!


18 posted on 07/24/2008 6:18:10 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: BabaYaga
Should we go to the documents provided by the prosecution during the Sakic trial?

Did you know that every witness at the Sakic trial was a Partizan?

19 posted on 07/24/2008 6:21:15 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: All
What was Jasenovac?

What one can find among numerous links on jasenovac-info.com was this interesting quote:

Excerpt from a speech by Mile Budak in 1941 on the role of "Islamic Croats" in the Independent State of Croatia. This was adopted as policy by the Ustase.
The NDH is an Islamic state wherever our people belong to the Islamic faith. I emphasize this because it is necessary to know that we are a state of two creeds, Catholic and Muslim. We know how big is the role our church has played in our history and therefore we cling to it. We would have held to it even only for political reasons, for it has been the only bulwark that Belgrade could never surmount... We Croats must be happy and proud that we have our faith and at the same time we must be aware that our brother Muslims are also the purest Croats, as our revered leader Ante Pavelic has already declared.

Nevertheless, ustashas didn`t care much for muslim civilians also as they "respected" mostley SS Handzar and other fascistic muslim troups.

from www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org":

"The Ustaša authorities established numerous concentration camps in Croatia between 1941 and 1945.

The Ustaša established Croatia’s first concentration camps in the spring of 1941. Among them were Koprivnica, Pag Island, Jadovno, Krušcica (located in Bosnia-Herzegovina), Ðakovo, Tenje, and Loborgrad. By October 1942, the Ustaša authorities had closed all of these camps. Between August 1941 and February 1942, the Ustaša established the Jasenovac complex of camps—Krapje, Brocica, Ciglana, Kozara, and Stara Gradiška. Krapje and Brocica were closed in November 1941. Ciglana, Kozara, and Stara Gradiška were dismantled in April 1945 as the Ustaša fled the approaching Yugoslav partisans."

No wonder for shameless appologists since it stil is not well known worldwide. Croatian government nowdays stil uses perfid ways to minimize sufferings and some again argue about the "number" of the victims in whole the complex of Jasenovac DEATH CAMPS even on the museum site, what was not very hard since they can always claim "communist propaganda" and because of the fact that most of the official records, documents, books with names of people from orthodox curches and other pre-war institutions were neatly destroyed.

“Far more than shameless.”

20 posted on 07/24/2008 6:58:54 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: Diocletian
Not before you deal with THE VICTIMS LIST
21 posted on 07/24/2008 7:23:17 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: BabaYaga; SJackson; dennisw; Bokababe; kosta50
The worst thing is that The Unites States Holocaust Memorial Museum spreads Nazi revisionist propaganda and claims that

"number of victims murdered by the Ustaša in Jasenovac during World War II between 56,000 and 97,000."

This forgery is an act of Holocaust diminishing or holocaust denial, depending on the angle. Here is how it works.

USHMM admits that Jasenovac system of extermination camps consisted of 5 sites spread along the Sava River, from Jasenovac village to confluence of Sava and Una rivers. Initially, the killings were done in Jasenovac brickworks. The site was inconvenient, because it was visible from nearby railway. The bulk of killings was done in Donja Gradina extermination site, situated on confluence of Sava and Una river, on the left bank of Sava river. Some 400 000 Serbs, Roma and Jews were murdered there. Site was chosen because Ustashas believed that marshes will destroy evidence within 10 years. USHMM uses the small number of people murdered in Jasenovac village as a total. It is the same as if someone used the number of people killed in Auscwitz I and claimed that only 70 000 people were murdered in Auschwitz, disregarding one million plus murdered in Birkenau and Manowitz.

I believe there must be a way to prosecute those in USHMM who are responsible for this Nazi revisionist forgery.

It is worth noting that The USHMM invited infamous Holocaust denier to the Official Museum Dedication.

22 posted on 07/24/2008 7:45:25 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Diocletian
Actually, an Israeli family bought his ticket to Argentina since he freed them from the Jasenovac camp. They didn’t have to since that was after the war, but they decided to help him out since he helped them out.

...

Actually, most of those in the camp were captured Communists.

You're sugar coating, Dio...Who are you trying to kid? :-)

23 posted on 07/24/2008 7:53:20 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Diocletian

Here’s the problem, Dio — the following is the testimony of the Jewish representative in Zagreb at the Eichmann trial. This isn’t a Serb or a communist or a paid propagandist or someone who got anything for his testimony. This is someone who was credible enough to be regarded as a valuable witness:

“During the 1961 trial of Adolf Eichmann, Alexander Arnon (secretary of the Jewish Community in Zagreb) testified about the treatment of Jews in Yugoslavia during the war. Alexander Arnon’s testimony included the following:

“ Q. One more question: I am not sure that I heard correctly when you said that in one camp hundreds of thousands of Serbs were exterminated?

A. Hundreds of thousands.

Q. In what year was that?

A. Beginning in 1941, and until the end.

Q. And who killed them?

A. The Ustashi.

This is stuff that you can’t make up or twist. It breaks my heart that this is the case, but it just is.

— Alexander Arnon testifying at the Trial of Adolf Eichmann


24 posted on 07/24/2008 10:48:28 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Diocletian; All
"This is stuff that you can’t make up or twist. It breaks my heart that this is the case, but it just is."

Sorry, but this should have come after the testimony, not as part of it.

25 posted on 07/24/2008 10:54:44 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Diocletian

Sounds like he bribed them, pure and simple.

Croatia needs to come clean with its harboring of war criminals. You guys could learn a lot from the Serbs and their recent arrest of Karadzic!

LOL!


26 posted on 07/25/2008 5:29:01 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Diocletian
"Actually, most of those in the camp were captured Communists."

Right, and here's what "communists" look like:


27 posted on 07/25/2008 9:32:56 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: BabaYaga; Bokababe; getoffmylawn; montyspython; Ravnagora
Ah yes, the purported "Victims List". On this supposed list of victims of Jasenovac I found 46 of my own relatives who of course never were in Jasenovac, never were arrested by the Ustashe, and a few who were Ustashe. On this list that you've provided, you can find my greatgrandparents who were killed by a British bombing raid, my father's uncle who as a Domobran was killed in Hercegovina fighting the Partisans, and about a dozen relatives who were hung by the Partisans plus a few more relatives who were killed by the Partisans after Bleiburg during the Death Marches.

And these clowns at the "Jasenovac Research Institute" have the temerity to list them as victims of the Ustashe. Wow.

The list is complete garbage as is this organization.

28 posted on 07/25/2008 11:10:24 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Bokababe

Without stats his words mean nothing.


29 posted on 07/25/2008 11:11:13 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: DTA

Actually, they’re just rejecting the revisionist history of the Communists under Tito who grossly inflated the numbers. Good for the Holocaust Museum!


30 posted on 07/25/2008 11:12:21 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: All
In the Kozara region - mountain and submountain villages the formal antifascist units gathered just few thousand partizans 2 or 3000 of them. The majority of those forcely involved in uprising Battle of Kozara in 1942. (also known as THIRD OFFENSIVE: KOZARA) were civilians who paid the bloodiest prize, because almost the entire population of this part of western Bosnia, extremely volnerable mostley serbian territory, tens of thousans of civilians have been executed on spot or sent to ustasha death camps. Most of the partizans wounded or not, were also executed and some of them menaged to get through the enemy encirclement. The killings of inocents by ustashas already started at Kozara region in 1941 and in full scale alltogether with Germans in search for "banditen".

Kozara (the movie, not translated, but one doesn`t have to know the language to understand).

In my library there`s a book "Kozara" written by Mladen Oljaca (article in serbian), my distant relative, about the battle and enemy punishment operations, agony of civilians and fighters (also mentions my family as my mom told me).
I tried to read it once some years ago, but I just couldnt...by the time I read the introduction chapter (writen by author of novel who was a boy during the war, returned in Kozara after 20 years and his impressions), when read the lines that even after 2 decades they found numerous remainings of battle (guns, ammunition leftovers, even human skeletons in woods), I closed it.
He is also co-writer of The Peaks of Zelengora (Vrhovi Zelengore) movie, where is presented the one part of Sutjeska offensive (Battle of Sutjeska) and famous battle on Ljubin grob the strategic position which was defended by Montenegrin brigade.

31 posted on 07/25/2008 11:14:26 AM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: Rosemont
Then you get guys like this, armed with submachine guns brutalizing unarmed mostly starving men, women, and children. How brave. Not only was Sakic a sadist, but also a candy ass.

Good point. Death camp gaurds were generally well-connected politically, and true believers in the cause. But they didn't believe in the cause enough to actually be willing to put their butts on the line in the Eastern Front or defending against the Allied invasion in the West.

I wonder what the average German soldier, freezing on the Eastern Front, thought of guys whose dedication to their country only extended to murdering unarmed prisoners.

32 posted on 07/25/2008 11:22:27 AM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: BabaYaga

The Kozara campaign was a joint one conducted by the German Wehrmacht, Ustashi and Domobran troops, and the Serbian Chetniks under Major Radic.


33 posted on 07/25/2008 11:26:15 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Bokababe

I said the majority, not all.


34 posted on 07/25/2008 11:27:03 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: All
Translation from jasenovac-info.com:

"Jasenovac", documentary with english subtitle.

Children murdered in the Independant state of Croatia 1941/1945..
Partial evidence for around 20 000 serbian, jewish, roma and other killed children.
Received from the Museum of genocide victims, Belgrade, Serbia.
The data are not of definitive nature and have the following structure:
- name of killed child,
- name of parents,
- last name,
- birth place,
- year of birth,
- year of death,
- the place where the child was killed,
- executors

Informative supplement:
Partial list of victims 1941-1945. from the territory of former Yugoslavia (646.177 known names).

35 posted on 07/25/2008 11:37:46 AM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: BabaYaga
Partial list of victims 1941-1945. from the territory of former Yugoslavia (646.177 known names).

Funny list. That'd be akin to listing German soldiers who died on the Eastern Front as victims of Treblinka.

36 posted on 07/25/2008 11:44:30 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: DTA
Not a lot of choice during those days in the Balkans. You were either a Nazi or a Communist. Churchill wanted to open the Italian Front to include the Balkans but Roosevelt did not want to offend Uncle Joe Stalin, so the Iron Curtain dropped a few hundred miles to the west of where it should have and over many millions more people.
37 posted on 07/25/2008 11:50:58 AM PDT by We Dare Defend Our Rights
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To: Diocletian; All
Croat death camp commander buried in Nazi gear

July 25, 2008

SERBIANNA

Croatian commander of the notorious WWII Nazi Ustasa concentration camp in Jasenovac, Dinko Sakic was buried in the full Ustasa uniform confirms Father Vjekoslav Lasic, Croatian Catholic priest.

Dinko Sakic and his wife Nada in Ustasa uniform.

"God has forgiven Sakic all that was not in sync with God's law, if he did anything like that," said Lasic at the funeral of Sakic.

Lasic said that he was proud to have seen Sakic dressed in the WWII Ustasa uniform while in Dubrava hospital where he died.

Father Vjekoslav Lasic at the Sakic burial in Zagreb, Croatia.

"Independent State of Croatia is the foundation of today's homeland of Croatia," said Lasic.

Ustasa were Croatian Nazis who declared Croatia independent and went on to kill over million of Serbs, Jews and Roma in WWII. Killing was done in several concentration camps such as Jasenovac and Stara Gradiska.

Dinko Sakic was commander of both concentration camps. Sakic's wife, Nada, was half sister of a notorious Croat murderer Maks Luburic. After WWII, Sakic fled to Argentina where he opened a textile factory.

Sakic was extradited to Croatia in 1998 where he was sentence only 20 years for his crimes.

Father Lasic who led the Catholic burial for Sakic held numerous masses in the past for the leader of the Ustasa Ante Pavelic.

"[E]very honorable Croat is proud of the name of Dinko Sakic," said Lasic at the funeral.

38 posted on 07/25/2008 11:57:14 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Diocletian
Can you provide some evidence of that? If you do, it would be best that you write and send it to JRI to correct it, because they surely do not belong in the Victims list of fascism but to another one. I found about 80 victims from my grandfathers family and that just for one last name.

Making the mockery out of victims and calling list "garbage" or funny is telling more about you and your approach, then anything about the subject.

39 posted on 07/25/2008 11:57:39 AM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: Cacique

Argentine Ustashi ping!


40 posted on 07/25/2008 11:58:45 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Bokababe

And they were defended by the Croatian-American community as “anti-communist heroes.”


41 posted on 07/25/2008 11:59:20 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Diocletian

BS. Typical Croat-American propaganda that they Ustashe were “anti-communist heroes.” Most of the Serbs at Jasno were NOT communist party members.


42 posted on 07/25/2008 12:00:50 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: BabaYaga
When this list came out, letters were sent to the JRI and an article published in Slobodna Dalmacija (amongst other news outlets) in which dozens upon dozens of examples were listed showing the list to be hilariously wrong.

If just I could find 46 relatives on that list who shouldn't be there, imagine how many in total are wrong!

I'm not going to post the names of my relatives, but anyone with any knowledge of the history will realize that Croatians from Hercegovina were not executed by the Ustashe.

The JRI has made a mockery of this list by padding the numbers with people who don't belong on it.

43 posted on 07/25/2008 12:04:39 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: We Dare Defend Our Rights
You are right about the choice, but you should know that til the end of the war only 10% of parizan troups became communists and at the beginning 1% at most. After the war those who stayed as government or military employee had to join communistic party liked it or not. Most of the demobilized partizans after the war were forcly retired (even those who wanted to serve in the army) especially ones who opposed new regime, because they were dissapointed and sure that that was not what they have fought for.
44 posted on 07/25/2008 12:16:34 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: BabaYaga

My grandfather was one of them, Tito threw him in jail even though he was a prvi borac because he dared to call Tito on his bullshit.


45 posted on 07/25/2008 12:28:38 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: DTA
Before the US Holocaust Museum opened, for about a year, an ad was run in the American Srborbran (American Serbian newspaper)asking for original documents and items from Serbs documenting the genocide of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies killed in the WWII Independent State of Croatia. There was a guy named Anthony Diorio who was with the Museum who was requesting this. I remember the ad saying that he knew about the Ustase and Jasenovac and all of it, and wanted to bring to light this genocide for the American people. I don't know who, if anyone, sent him anything.

But a year later, the museum opening was on TV, and when I saw Tudjman sitting there, I almost kicked in the TV set.

I called the Museum the next day and asked for "Anthony Diorio", only to be told that he "was no longer with the USHM". When I gave the receptionist an earful about scandal of Tudjman being there, she said that she had recieved hundreds of calls with the same complaint but the US State Department chose the guests, the Museum had nothing to do with it.

I later learned that the State Department funds & manages the Museum -- so in short, it is a State Department "political tool" -- nothing more or less.

46 posted on 07/25/2008 12:57:55 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Diocletian
Like I said it shoul be corrected, but you said it in very bad way, like it was deliberately put there just to make list more numerous. Belive me, I do not know any sane person of any nation that wants to multiply victims of his/hers nation just to gain some political goal. All I want is that this horrible truth finely find the way to be revealed and heared. Serbs do not need to overblow or exagarate events or victims, because their antifascistic victims and sufferings are already big and painful. Other nations antifasictic troups and civilians also paid the prize in that bloody war, but not in that scale as serbian.

By the end of the war some fascistic troups tried to change sides and avoid prosecution and their dead to be counted as victims of fascism. Some of fascists were murdered by partizans, some fled away through "rat channels", some forcely or willingly joined partizans keeping low profile and even joined communistic party.

The data of living throughout pre-war Yugoslavia in some regions, in churches, administrative institutions, magistrates, were almost completely destroyed as well as thousands of entire families, their relatives and survivors testimonials could provide just partial evidence of facts, names of victims, places or executors. That doesn`t make the victims list small, but in mostley incomplete and in few cases incorrect.

By cleaning the list of those who actually were fascists during the war, the names of their victims can not be erazed. Again, by claiming you`ve found "sensational" truth that it has some names of "other side" by mistake, you certainly can not call it "garbage" because it is insulting for those who belong there and nobody can make them dissapear no matter of any kind of manipulation.

47 posted on 07/25/2008 1:05:39 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: Bokababe
The main reason why Tudjman went from supporting Yugoslavia and being a communist to supporting Croatian independence and being against communism is because he discovered the manipulations with the numbers of war dead by the communists when he was made head of the JNA's historical museum while he was still with the JNA.

He realized that the communists were lying by grossly inflating the numbers of war dead and Milovan Djilas, Yugoslav Politburo member, confirmed that this was the case.

48 posted on 07/25/2008 1:13:24 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: BabaYaga
Like I said it should be corrected, but you said it in very bad way, like it was deliberately put there just to make list more numerous.

Of course it was done deliberately. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of WW2 Yugoslavia would realize how ridiculous the list is...and researchers especially should know. They tried to pull a fast one and got caught.

Belive me, I do not know any sane person of any nation that wants to multiply victims of his/hers nation just to gain some political goal.

That's precisely what Tito's regime did with the number of war dead for the sake of reparations. Milovan Djilas, Yugoslav Politburo member, confirmed this to be the case.

Again, by claiming you`ve found "sensational" truth that it has some names of "other side" by mistake, you certainly can not call it "garbage" because it is insulting for those who belong there and nobody can make them dissapear no matter of any kind of manipulation.

I'm not trying to make anyone disappear. I'm just pointing out that the JRI are a bunch of liars.

49 posted on 07/25/2008 1:17:00 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: montyspython

My grandfather also, they almost sent them to Goli Otok for getting into a fight with some brazen general, but luckely they let him be and just denied him title of the National hero. He was also prvoborac (first-fighter, the mark for the partizans who entered in troups in the beginning of war - 1941.), in partizans as 14 years old boy from Kozara and invalid before reaching 20.


50 posted on 07/25/2008 1:38:51 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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