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Posted on 07/25/2008 2:55:53 PM PDT by LAforme2008
Did you know that your safety and security depend on gay men and lesbians?
An estimated 65,000 gay men and lesbians serve in the U.S. armed forces, though by law they cannot be open about their sexuality. As we fight two wars, our military is stretched thin. Those gay and lesbian soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and members of the Coast Guard are essential.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Where’s the barf alert?
We in the US Military , both active, Reserve and retired can do with out the anal proclivities of said perverts.
This is even less honest, if that’s possible, than saying the success of the US was built ‘on the backs’ of southern slaves.
This is even less honest, if that’s possible, than saying the success of the US was built ‘on the backs’ of southern slaves.
“An estimated 65,000...”
Doubtful. Unless there are 64,000 really good chefs in the military.
Estimated by whom, and with what methodology?
Hey now, why are you asking logical followup questions?
“An estimated 65,000 gay men and lesbians serve in the U.S. armed forces, though by law they cannot be open about their sexuality.”
So, in the spirit of tolerance, I say to the 65,000 gay men and lesbians that serve or wish to serve...we are not interested in you being open about your sexuality — it is your issue, you deal with it.
Dumb this down and politize it all you want — the military has entirely way bigger fish to fry than to worry about whether or not Adam and Steve “feel good about their gayness.” Your Father should have done his job and raised you right.
Give me a break...if you want to be...be. Leave the rest of us out of it.
By making us deal with it you are asking us to sign on to your disgustingly anti social and immoral behavior — keep it to yourself please — and tolerate my choice to not tolerate your choice.
Serving is a privilege and some folks are just simply not cut out for military service. Period. Thank you, have a nice day!
I would be just as save and secure if they were not there. It might even be safer and more secure.
IF there are 65,000 gays in the US Armed forces then Iraq and Afghanistan should have their interiors well decorated by the time we leave - while the queers are out decorating the real men are getting decorated.
Those are the kinds of folks who would actually believe there are 65,000 active, practicing homosexuals in the US military.
Ah, yes, queer eye for the Infantry guy...got it.
but you’ll notice that this article was written by “a rear admiral, retired in June after 32 years of military service. His last position in active duty was deputy commander of the Navy Expeditionary Combat Command, which has 9,000 sailors serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
I'm guessing he, and others, are doing all of those things eh!
(Now that he's a retiree - wink, wink)
“but you’ll notice that this article was written by “a rear admiral, retired in June after 32 years of military service.”
So what, he is in the clear minority on this issue, within the military. He is actually the radical fringe. There will always be political sellouts, looking to get nominated for Secretary of Defense or some Undersecretary in an Obama Administration. Below is a gem from this “general”.
“Sadly, we just don’t recognize the gay service members among us for who they are.”
That is an example of a piss poor commander. He doesn’t care about the mission. He cares about a job in an Obama Admin. Should conservative and liberals be noted as they collect their bronze stars (I’d love to see that breakdown)? How about meat eaters versus vegans or married versus single soldiers? I can see it now, “congrats to Donnie Wu, asian gay man, for going above and beyond the call of duty.
He’s probably already working for Obama anyway, I’d almost bank on it. Gaybees of a feather, flocking together. Let’s ask Sinclair about “don’t ask and don’t tell”. Figures that Obama would support this as well lol.
Hum, interesting. He was an admiral, correct. He served for 32 years correct. He was the deputy commander (reservist) of the Navy Expeditionary Combat Command 9,000 sailors...okay.
So, does he know how many were gay or lesbian? This is a really very important issue?
Because of if he did, and did not take the appropriate action — he, should have been held accountable for his failure to act and to provide this information to his ISIC so that the appropriate NCIS investigation could have been conducted — interesting point you bring up.
And his ISIC should have relieved him for failing to execise the appropriate actions to maintain good order and discipline in accordance with the UCMJ...if he was aware of gays and lesbians serving in his command.
Otherwise, lets just assume, he didn’t know.
I think I’m on to something here.
Given Sinclair’s claims, will Obama support the military’s longstanding “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military?”
To get that account he'd have to violate the don't ask/don't tell policy wouldn't he. Guy needs to be courtmartialed (or whatever we do to retired admirals.)
LOL, I should have a friend who is a deep mole at DU, go off on this for fun...he and a friend are Prophet452 or something and Hydra.
A rear admiral?
Sometimes, the jokes just write themselves.
Somebody has an interesting history of latent gay interest.
The military, the first line of defense for the nation, is NO PLACE for social engineering. Thank you Bill Clinton, for mainstreaming deviancy...
Nice zot too, HH...
More like a “rear-ended Admiral...”
(I CRACK myself up sometimes...I really do...)
Okay, maybe I’m being to kind...I was trying to lead you down a path here, so I will just cut to the chase.
So, if the number 65,000 (we will say for the sake of argument) is how many are currently serving and the point of this little exercise is to try and determine how many gays or lesbians are not joining because the military is opposed to gays serving in the military? We don’t know. But, we are currently meeting our recruiting goals — hum, interesting, even with Don’t ask, Don’t tell.
What we do know is that recruiting, who, using your words and the article are supposedly having a hard time recruiting (which just isn’t a fact) — So, new question to chew on, how much harder do you think recruiting becomes if I am signing a contract to go into a unit with a bunch of people that I think have a mental disability/illness.
How many hetero’s don’t join because gays and lesbians are allowed to serve openly - see, to me, that is the question. That to me is the national security issue at hand, just how negitively does openly gay and lesbian service members impact recruiting and retention and how many hetero’s would leave the service because of disgusting and immoral behavior on board the ship or in the barracks...hum...which scenario would be more damaging to national security...
So, the real question here is, risk offending a few gays or lesbians or risk screwing with one of the most exquisite all volunteer forces ever assembled in the history of all mankind. But, this is washington, so, if it ani’t broke, don’t fix it until it is.
I am thankful that Dad carried the BAR back in the day, before homosexuality was in vogue.
Make a hole...Chief coming through, big time.
“So, the real question here is, risk offending a few gays or lesbians or risk screwing with one of the most exquisite all volunteer forces ever assembled in the history of all mankind...”
Good one, Chief. The best summation I’ve heard yet. At the end of the day, it is about the National Security of every man, woman and child in this country; the military is NOT a playground for deviant activists who want to undermine every facet of society.
To my mind, that is the ONLY reason they go into the Service in the first place - as a political/subversive/activist stunt to undermine it.
“One Man Zot”...it was a veritable BARRAGE...still shaking off the concussion...lifted me right out of the slit trench...HA!
10 Dunkin Donuts that this scumbag writer is already on the Obama list of approved officer that are supporting him. He is shilling for a job in the Messiah Apostleship of the Archangel.
My bad...meant to send that last one to LAforme2008.
I was on active duty when slick willie made that announcement to, we all got a good laugh...it didn’t change a thing anywhere I’ve ever been - if you were gay, you damn sure didn’t talk about around us...you kept that to yourself because we damn sure didn’t want to hear about it.
Eventually, if there are enough of them not having kids — won’t they just become extinct?
I was lucky enough to serve at the end of Carter’s frig up and Reagan turning the military around in the early 80s in the 82nd ABN.
Those guys would throw you out of an airplane with no chute just for drinking red wine, so coming out as a gay could have been slightly dangerous to anybody who dare. I mean can you picture a gay guy jumping out of an airplane lol.
“can you picture a gay guy jumping out of an airplane”
No!
No doubt.
Dems, Deviants, and Dictators...a TRUE Love Triangle...
“...Eventually, if there are enough of them not having kids — won’t they just become extinct?...”
That’s why they’re so fanatically trying to penetrate the adoption agencies.
They KNOW it’s a suicide lifestyle. They can perpetuate themselves only by adopting and/or perverting others.
Pretty damned sick.
Signing off...head bouncing off keyboard...work tomorrow, getting up at 0430 hrs...
Appreciate all of you. God bless, Keep The Faith. This is OUR country, at the end of the day. Remember that. We ARE sufficient for the day...
I would be just as save and secure if they were not there
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Maybe but with hundreds of thousand of documents that need interpreting and just sitting in boxes it doesn’t make sense to deny a gay interpreter the opportunity to contribute to the security of their country. I refer to gay Arabs and those of Iranian heritage denied interpreter jobs. There are other disciplines badly in need. But, I guess if it makes macho men feel better when they’re showering (why do most straight men think all gays are after their bods?) then we gotta protect those irrational fears.
Maybe thats why they join...to learn new 'recruiting' techniques ???
reminded me of the old joke...
How do you separeate the 'men' from the 'boys' in the irannnian navy ???...
A CROWBAR ...
The great possum-squashing and beer storm of 1962.
Reflections on the remains of my country.
By Fred Reed
Sell a gun to get cash to buy this book or trade one for this book. It is that good of a read !!!
Answers and grins galore !!!
“..Sell a gun ...”
OUCH!!! What you said!!!! [cringing in horror] That’d be like selling my KIDS, and...hey, wait a minute...you may be on to something THERE...HA!
I’ve read “Fred on Everything”, his website. He’s got some good insight, a tad cranky, and reveling in his curmudgeon-ness...
The point was not homophobic but trying to point out that if the gays were not there we still would be safe just the same as if any other group was denied. The point is that there is nothing magical about gays that would make us safe. I have had homosexuality forced down my throat and am rebellious.
“I’ll respect differences of informed opinion but it’s obvious you aren’t too informed. Sexual identity has little to do with ones ability to jump out of an airplane. One really must live a sheltered life to make a statement like the one above.”
You obviously have no idea of the rigor and discipline that a combat arms infantryman requires, let alone an airborne infantrman or marine. Jumping out of an airplane is just the beginning. Then you go on forced marches with heavy rucks with 3-4 hours sleep and for dessert you get to to ambushes, fire and maneuver, recon, etc.
I’m sortty but it is you that displays ignorance on the subject. The fact is that gay men as a rule are overly emotional and have feminine tendencies and the bulk of them simply couldn’t handle it.
They aren’t physically and psychologically qualified. But, even if they were, we can’t ruin the military’s lack of cohesion with the intangible of having gay people in the military. The military have made this point over and over again. People have gaydar as they say. This is not social engineering lab time. As you can see from Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting limited counterinsurgencies are difficult assignments. On top of that you would have them have to deal with the assimilation of sexual deviants.
The rules are set up. It is the way it is. Basically, don’t “ACT UP”, just do your job. If it is known, it causes problems in the military and most are found out in the units where only men work anyway.
Thirdly, the rules are the rules. I’m sure that the women suing McDonalds good wear their muslim headgear and do a fine job of handling the french fryer. Why not make an exception for a fast order fry cook? There are rules. Gays know the rules for the military as well.
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