Posted on 07/27/2008 7:16:35 PM PDT by BlackVeil
(NECN/ABC) - A second person has died as a result of the church shooting in Tennessee, 61-year-old Linda Kraeger, who passed away several hours later in a hospital.
At the time of the shooting, church members were watching a children's production of "Annie."
Eyewitnesses say one of those killed -- 60-year-old Greg McKendry -- jumped in front of the gunman's bullet to protect other parishioners.
Churchgoers quickly tackled the gunman and held him until police arrived.
There were about 200 people in the church at the time of the shooting.
The shooter, Jim D. Adkisson, is being charged with first degree murder and is held on $1 million bond.
C'mon Max... thats a bit much...
K town is a very safe place even if we do have our share of kooks, renegades and gang bangers...
We also have citizens who will stand up to them...
To all on the Tn boards....Prayers to the families of those who where taken away today...So sad
I don't know this man, but his last act was one of selflessness. What better lesson to leave?
God rest his soul.
God save Knoxville, TN
Same old story, the nice neighbor turned out to be a murderer.
yes it is tragic. sad that we are getting laws to take guns away instead of arming our citizenry.
Knoxville sounds like a pretty decent place to me actually, if the people who live there are willing to jump in front of a man with a shotgun and tackle him to stop him from shooting people. There are crazies everywhere, it’s the behavior of the ordinary folks that make someplace a good place to live or visit or not. This community showed its true colors today and they were good ones. May the two victims rest in peace.
Prayers for him and his family.
The Unitarian Church is not a Christian Church, and does not claim to be. If you want, you can accuse every Unitarian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, and Buddhist religious organization of not following Christian doctrine, and they will say “We don’t. Your point?”
Anyway, prayers for the fallen.
My guess is the guy met the same fate as islamic terrorists.
He did die doing good(which is nice), but, if his choice of churches is any indication, he died without knowing Christ.
Death without Christ = eternal separation from God = Hell
Did the shooting take place at that point in the Unitarian service where they handle critically endangered reptiles whose habitat has been plundered by Bush's cronies?
Totally correct.
Nothing official yet, but the News Sentinel is reporting that they found a “manifesto” in his car.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/
Apparently, he has some sort of beef with the liberal views of the Church.
It’s idiots like this who give us a bad name. Ballot box. Pen. Telephone. These are the weapons we use.
They don't believe that Jesus is God, as defined in John 1:1. Christians believe in the Deity of Christ.
Biblically speaking, the best prayer that can be said for these folks is that they repent of their sin and ask for the sacrifice of Jesus apply to their sin debt. Jesus is God, not just an example. The problem between them and God is their sin. And Jesus's sacrifice on the Cross is the answer to that problem.
I realize that's what I said is probably not the most "sensitive" or "caring" thing to say at a time like this but it's Scripturally accurate.
As long as I'm in Bible accuracy mode, it doesn't do any good to pray for the souls of the dead. It's in the here and now where we respond to God's gift of faith in Jesus or not. I'll supply Scripture on this if asked.
There are a lot of things that are accurate to say at any given time. Knowing when the appropriate time to say or write them is, and how best to do so, takes the labored attention of love and genuine concern for the people and not the argument. If your daughter comes to you and asks "Daddy, am I ugly?" and she is not very attractive at all, do you think love is best served by saying "Why, yes, honey, you are ugly." You can take all kinds of cold comfort in the fact that you did not lie and were accurate, but you will have missed an opportunity to help your daughter build upon her inner beauty and any interest she will ever have in coming to you about her most deep-seated fears and concerns. You will have won the award for "Mr. Honesty," and lost the more important award for "Super-Dad."
If your comments are offensive or insensitive, the very people you are wanting to win to your argument could not care less about your accuracy. Your comments were, in my opinion, ham-handed and insensitive. No one (again, in my opinion) is attracted to your position due to this.
When Jesus was telling the apostles how people would know who were his true disciples, his refrain was, over and over again in the gospel of John, "they will know you by your love for one another." Is that how people know you on these kind of threads - ones about tragedy and horrible loss of life? Is that the reputation you have earned? Once you have earned that kind of trust with people, then you will know in your heart when the proper time to confront doctrinal (and important) disputes or errors. This thread is not the right one.
it doesn't do any good to pray for the souls of the dead.
I looked back at my post looking for even a hint of me suggesting you or anyone else do so and I cannot divine that in any of my posts. Perhaps I am overlooking something, or maybe you are confusing my post with another.
I’m not sure that I need to apologize for anything I said. I posted what I did in order to clear up some questions about Unitarians that were appearing on the thread.
You make a good point about “they will know you by your love for one another.” But technically speaking, Unitarians aren’t Christians, which is the original point I made.
One component of Biblical love is telling the truth. And that’s what I did. It may seem harsh, but I’ll take care of that in a minute.
So, right, I’m not winning any “Super-Dad” warm-fuzzy-love points. I’m not “Super-Dad” in this situation because I don’t personally know any of the victims.
Let’s be honest here: unless I really missed something in your post on this thread, you have absolutely no connection to any of the victims in this tragedy, either.
If you have a personal connection to the tragedy, I offer my condolences to you and the families.
As a result, I can be dispassionate about the tragedy and have a fair amount of objectivity about it.
What I did was to inform the thread about Unitarianism. It isn’t Christian.
And being a Christian and aware of what God says about situations about like this, I said what I did. And I’d do it again. I’ll provide Bible references if asked.
Biblically speaking, the biggest tragedy here is that there is a group of 200 or so Unitarians that are uninformed, ignorant or worse as to the knowledge of true salvation from their sins. And that’s independent of the Christian-hating gunman.
You’re right - the prayer for the dead was in reference to another post on the thread. Sorry for the confusion.
He did die doing good(which is nice), but, if his choice of churches is any indication, he died without knowing Christ.
Death without Christ = eternal separation from God = Hell
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
-John 15:13
Good luck spreading the love, Bosco.
Greater love is great, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that is a ticket to Heaven.
“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” — John 14:6
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