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Posted on 08/02/2008 12:56:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
If we pass laws to allow anyone to cross, then it will all be "legal." You have to be more specific about what you oppose.
Many claim that the illegal immigrants drive down wages here...and that they are taking jobs from Americans. Would not the unaborted have done that? Or do you disagree with the premise?
I'm just asking, not disagreeing.
They are real people who we are missing because they were murdered.
The billions of womb people who were lost before their mothers knew they were pregnant are also in heaven. They also will be loved forever by The LORD and all who share heaven with them eternally. But, they were not murdered. Only God has the right to give and take innocent life, not man.
They still coulda been on Facebook.
Your premise has not occurred yet.
I am against people coming here illegally. It is not theoretical--they are net social service users, and causing a drain on our society. The justice system, the medical system,the education sysytem, and the social services systems are being strained by an invasion of people who should not be here, but in their home countries.
I think that is specific enough.
We cannot know what America would be like with the missing 60 million people, It could have developed in many different scenarios.
However we know what the reality is today.
Too many are incapable of following the reasoning. It doesn’t even help to make it plainer, like telling them that you have three fiurst grade classes in a school. One class is taken away so that only the remianing two are allowed to continue on to High School graduation. You ask them, what would the graduating class have been like if the eliminated first graders were allowed to stay in the school system? It is a blank wall to them, they see no correlation, even when you add that the class removed from the school were all shot in the head and dumped into a mass grave. The violation of the principle of ‘endowed with the unalienable right to LIFE’ means nothing to such minds, for it is the government or court which tells them what are rights.
You are right and some of them were also killed out of their rightful time because of birth control pills which cause many otherwise viable embryos to not be able to connect to the uterine wall and they therefore they are killed. Many parents will be shocked and grieved to meet their sons and daughters in heaven that died at their hands.
Why would they be grieved? They gave their kid a first-class ticket to heaven--being united with the Lord without delay!
Seems like the best gift a parent could give a child, if what some say is true! While that doesn't make it less of a sin of the parents, it's a great deal from the kids' point of view. After all, if they truly want to know the experiences of temporal life on this earth, and they truly are in heaven, they should be able to do so at their whim.
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It’s always great to hear of young people who are pro-life!
“Friends I never knew” is not silly. I conceived two children I never knew -— they were miscarried before 10 weeks -— and I will miss them for the rest of my liife.
"The Mother," Gwendolyn Brooks (1945)
Abortions will not let you forget.
You remember the children you got that you did not get,
The damp small pulps with a little or with no hair,
The singers and workers that never handled the air.
You will never neglect or beat
Them, or silence or buy with a sweet.
You will never wind up the sucking-thumb
Or scuttle off ghosts that come.
You will never leave them, controlling your luscious sigh,
Return for a snack of them, with gobbling mother-eye.
I have heard in the voices of the wind
the voices of my dim killed children.
I have contracted. I have eased
My dim dears at the breasts they could never suck.
I have said, Sweets, if I sinned, if I seized
Your luck
And your lives from your unfinished reach,
If I stole your births and your names,
Your straight baby tears and your games,
Your stilted or lovely loves, your tumults, your mar- riages, aches, and your deaths,
If I poisoned the beginnings of your breaths,
Believe that even in my deliberateness I was not deliberate.
Though why should I whine,
Whine that the crime was other than mine?--
Since anyhow you are dead.
Or rather, or instead,
You were never made.
But that too, I am afraid,
Is faulty: oh, what shall I say, how is the truth to be said?
You were born, you had body, you died.
It is just that you never giggled or planned or cried.
Believe me, I loved you all.
Believe me, I knew you, though faintly, and I loved, I loved you
All.
Agreed. And I am sorry to hear of your miscarriages. I can hope you will someday get to know them in heaven.
And I hope that anyone reading my comments understands that I am just bringing up points that I believe should be considered, as the battle isn't to convince those who are already against abortion--so ignoring these questions isn't going to cut it when they are being asked by those "in the middle" or brought up by the abortion-on-demand crowd.
It is not necessary to "feel" this: people are emotionally different, probably for biological or hormonal or brain-wiring reasons, and emotional sensitivity is not a moral category: "feeling" the loss of others' lives is not a moral virtue per se, nor is a lack of feeling about this a vice.
However, we should acknowledge the loss whether we feel it or not. Whether they are unborn babies, or citizens of 40 nations killed on 9/11 at the WTC, or random people being blown up by suicide bombers at a market in Israel, --- we don't know these poeple either, but it is decent to acknowledge that their deaths were the result of criminal aggression, and their absence leaves a hole in the human race.
BTW, I appreciate your reference to "It's a Wonderful Life," and I think that shows the true function of art: to train the emotions so that we do "feel" what we know: so that the truly lovable invokes love; the admirable, admiration; the horrible, horror; the outrageous, outrage; the pitiful, pity.
BTTT!
How many idiots were lying in wait for a thread about abortion to take the side of Barack Obama????? How do pro-abort idiots get to remain at FR?
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