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New Yorkers try to swallow calorie sticker shock
MSNBC ^ | 7/16/08 | Roni Caryn Rabin

Posted on 08/03/2008 8:25:52 AM PDT by mngran2

New Yorkers have been in the throes of sticker shock since this spring when the Big Apple became the first city in the country to implement a law forcing chain restaurants to post the calorie count of each food in the same size and font as the price.

Restaurants have not exhausted their legal challenges, but the city will start fining violators up to $2,000 beginning Friday, say officials with the city’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

While some sit-down chains and fast-food eateries are waiting until the last minute, coffee shops like Starbucks — home of the 470 calorie raspberry scone and 610 calorie cookie — have been replacing their menu boards and adding calorie tags to pastries in recent weeks. The result: Do a little eavesdropping in a New York City restaurant, and you may think you’ve stumbled into an Overeaters Anonymous meeting.

At T.G.I. Friday’s, one of the few sit-down chain restaurants to have already added calorie counts to menus, a group of young women gasped as they studied the menu, barely able to find a meal under 1,000 calories, never mind an appetizer or dessert. Both Stephanie Fowler and Lindsay Green asked about the suddenly popular Classic Sirloin — at 290 calories, it was one of the lowest calorie items on the menu — but learned the restaurant ran out by the time the dinner rush started.

Outside the Forest Hills’ Dunkin’ Donuts, Juan Restrepo, the 45-year-old owner of a construction company, said he was quitting corn muffins — 510 calories! — this time for good.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: calories; food; foodpolice; foodsupply; nannysrate; nannystate; newyork
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1 posted on 08/03/2008 8:25:52 AM PDT by mngran2
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To: mngran2
suddenly popular Classic Sirloin — at 290 calories, it was one of the lowest calorie items on the menu

Unless you eat some complex carbs along with it... I think the "sirloin" will just sit and rot in your intestines...

Too much infomation?

2 posted on 08/03/2008 8:31:08 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: mngran2

I have been trying to drop about 15 pounds and get in shape. Why is it that I am sympathetic to this?


3 posted on 08/03/2008 8:31:15 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: mngran2
Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

"Mental Hygiene" ???

4 posted on 08/03/2008 8:44:00 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: mngran2

I have no problem with this. Full disclosure. Now let’s mandate country-of-origin labels on ALL food. Not just fish.


5 posted on 08/03/2008 8:45:17 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Izzy Dunne

“”Mental Hygiene” ???”

Really. Strange choice of words.

Maybe it’s like the old saying, “clean mind, clean body, take your pick.”


6 posted on 08/03/2008 8:45:35 AM PDT by EggsAckley ( "the difference between Obama and Osama is just a little b.s.")
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To: mngran2

They should also post information about how much calories are burned by the simple act of walking or jogging.

Stupid liberals.


7 posted on 08/03/2008 8:47:38 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: Izzy Dunne

I think it refers to well washed brains :)


8 posted on 08/03/2008 8:51:44 AM PDT by xp38
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To: mngran2

I have no problem with this at all. As a matter of fact, this should be done everywhere. Disclosure is the conservative solution to this problem. The liberal tact would be mandate low calorie items on the menu. Every diner deserves to know what he/she is eating.


9 posted on 08/03/2008 8:53:36 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: mngran2
I'll take:

BK Whopper w/cheese 770
Large fries 500
Medium diet Coke 0 (have to cut back somewhere)

Total 1270 calories

10 posted on 08/03/2008 8:54:12 AM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: mngran2
... post the calorie count of each food in the same size and font as the price ...

I think it's an excellent idea for restaurants to provide that information, in fact I often choose Subway because they provide that information voluntarily, but I can't imagine what makes the city think they have a right to order restaurateurs (the owners of private property) to comply - except the typical politician's inflated sense of self-importance. I'd love to see all of NYC's restaurants follow the letter of the law in a manner that would give the do-gooders a heart attack faster than an oversized plate of Fettucini Alfredo. Quite a few high end restaurants have menus with no prices listed, and I would cheer if the rest deleted their prices and added a note: "prices removed to comply with the meddling of Section 81.50 of the New York City Health Code." If neither the price nor the calories are listed, then a lawyer could reasonably argue that the letter of the law has been followed. No doubt the restaurants would eventually lose, since you can't fight City Hall, but they'd have a good time playing with the regulators.

11 posted on 08/03/2008 8:55:13 AM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: mngran2

http://www.menshealth.com/eatthis/20-Worst-Foods/index.php

America’s 20 Worst Restaurant Meals (caloriewise)


12 posted on 08/03/2008 8:56:47 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Ben Reyes
They should also post information about how much calories are burned by the simple act of walking or jogging.

It's pretty disgusting when you read how hard you have to exercise to burn off what it took you minutes to eat. A 180 pound man burns about 100 calories a mile at a brisk 3.5mph. You'd have to walk 6 miles and kill two hours of your day just to burn off that one cookie.

13 posted on 08/03/2008 8:57:27 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: mngran2
...barely able to find a meal under 1,000 calories

If it's under 1,000 cal, it ain't a meal.

14 posted on 08/03/2008 8:58:01 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: RogerD
No doubt the restaurants would eventually lose, since you can't fight City Hall, but they'd have a good time playing with the regulators.

Well I guess if you consider paying attorneys by the hour a good time. Sounds about as fun to me as burning money. Wait...it's the same thing.

15 posted on 08/03/2008 8:59:55 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: John123
popular Classic Sirloin ...

Cholesterol is not good for you, either. So why not just ban food altogether?

16 posted on 08/03/2008 9:04:26 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
Cholesterol is not good for you, either.

Many folks will argue with you that Cholesterol in foods (meat, eggs...) is NOT dangerous... think of it this way... our ancestors would have all died off because they ate a diet rich in meat... the Eskimos would all be dead and their diet is primarily meat.

17 posted on 08/03/2008 9:14:23 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: Ben Reyes

They should also post information about how much calories are burned by the simple act of walking or jogging.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Approximately, 100 calories per mile.


18 posted on 08/03/2008 9:15:42 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: montag813
I have no problem with this. Full disclosure.

Agreed, but I do think the government should go first. How about the provide us with a label about how much waste is in the system, what % of my $ goes to graft and, oh yeah, country of origin might be a good idea here too.


19 posted on 08/03/2008 9:18:22 AM PDT by ProfoundMan (Pomegranate beer is a sign of the apocalypse.)
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To: NCjim

Total 1270 calories
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To walk that off ( 100 Kcal./hr.) is 12.7 miles of walking. At 3 to 4 miles per hour, that is 3 to 4 or more hours of walking.


20 posted on 08/03/2008 9:20:16 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: NCjim

Just eat half.


21 posted on 08/03/2008 9:20:22 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: mngran2

We live in an INFORMATION AGE. That said the idiots in charge cannot interpret IMPORTANT and BASIC information. The impotent morons can only pass stupid laws overwhelming a rotten bureaucratic system. I DON’T CARE ABOUT CALORIES, I WANT TO KNOW THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN OF WHAT I AM EATING.


22 posted on 08/03/2008 9:23:52 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: John123
Many folks will argue with you that Cholesterol in foods (meat, eggs...) is NOT dangerous... think of it this way... our ancestors would have all died off because they ate a diet rich in meat...

The average life expectancy at birth for Americans in 1900 was 50 years.

the Eskimos would all be dead and their diet is primarily meat.

The average life expectancy of an Inuit population in the 19th century was 43 years.

23 posted on 08/03/2008 9:24:54 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: mngran2

I don’t want it mandated, but I sure would appreciate it if every restaurant put the cals and fat next to each item right there on the menu.


24 posted on 08/03/2008 9:27:11 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: John123
Many folks will argue with you that Cholesterol in foods (meat, eggs...) is NOT dangerous... think of it this way... our ancestors would have all died off because they ate a diet rich in meat... the Eskimos would all be dead and their diet is primarily meat.

It seems that problems with serum cholesterol can be genetic. Your body manufactures cholesterol. Some people (like me) can eat eggs, red meat, butter without concern for cholesterol levels. The more important number is the HDL/LDL cholesterol ratios in your blood chemistry. Mine is excellent, so I don't worry about it.

Of course, not being obese and getting regular exercise don't hurt.

25 posted on 08/03/2008 9:27:13 AM PDT by FixedandDilated
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To: John123
our ancestors would have all died off because they ate a diet rich in meat..

OH NO!!!! My ancestors ate meat and THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!

But so are the ones who ate Shredded Wheat and Tofu, only they died with a permanent scowl on their faces from not being able to enjoy life or a good meal once in a while.

26 posted on 08/03/2008 9:30:42 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("My advice: Quit supporting the party that is symbolized by an ass." Ted Nugent)
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To: FixedandDilated

Absolutely! It sounds like you know what you are talking about. I am similar to you. I eat eggs and meat every day. I also eat lots of raw veggies and exercise too. But I think it is a myth that eating lean beef and eggs are dangerous to your cholesterol levels...


27 posted on 08/03/2008 9:32:10 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: ReignOfError

Very good... but you are comparing apples to oranges here. Medical care was non-existent... a broken arm was a death sentence... harsh living conditions. Those factors probably had a MUCH greater impact on life expectancy rather than cholesterol...


28 posted on 08/03/2008 9:36:16 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: Mygirlsmom
OH NO!!!! My ancestors ate meat and THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!

And alas... you are still alive :)

29 posted on 08/03/2008 9:37:40 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: mngran2

I am so glad that I don’t have to worry about calories and never will (it’s in the genes) and have to put up with ridiculous laws such as this. I do, however, have to watch cholesterol, as does everyone.


30 posted on 08/03/2008 9:38:08 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: John123; ReignOfError

A large part of the life expectancy calculation was death due to childhood infectious diseases. Antibiotics really made a difference in survival rates. Lots of children didn’t make it past the age of 5. That’ll drag down the life expectancy averages.


31 posted on 08/03/2008 9:39:28 AM PDT by FixedandDilated
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To: mngran2

I’m lovin’ it.


32 posted on 08/03/2008 9:40:22 AM PDT by countess
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To: mngran2

I went to the Chelsea last week to see Dark Knight. So many seemed shocked that a medium popcorn had 1,350 calories. My fave chocolate chip cookie at B&N has 450 calories.


33 posted on 08/03/2008 9:44:25 AM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: FixedandDilated

Sure... the poster that quoted stats to me skipped the obvious about Eskimos. Those folks live in the harshest environment you can live it. And if they can live to a ripe old age of 43... well God bless ‘em! But you can no way, shape or form compare them with anyone living elsewhere...


34 posted on 08/03/2008 9:44:44 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: countess

It is hillarious (the reactions, that is), isn’t it? LOL.


35 posted on 08/03/2008 9:44:59 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: John123

Fiber now or colonoscopy later!


36 posted on 08/03/2008 9:45:11 AM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: Clemenza

And you didn’t already know that?


37 posted on 08/03/2008 9:45:46 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady
I am so glad that I don’t have to worry about calories and never will (it’s in the genes)

Can I have your phone number? ;-)

38 posted on 08/03/2008 9:46:02 AM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: mngran2

While it’s nice to have calorie information with the meals, it’s not necessary if you have some basic knowledge about food and portion control. I don’t much care for government mandates like this one. I can look at a menu and have a pretty good idea of what not to order. Does it have a lot of cheese and sauces? Lots of refined carbs? Is it a huge slab of meat? I’ll also ask the server how big the meal is if I can’t tell from the menu or what I see other people being served.


39 posted on 08/03/2008 9:46:44 AM PDT by FixedandDilated
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To: Clemenza

Is there a relationship between fiber and colon cancer?


40 posted on 08/03/2008 9:46:46 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: Clemenza

Happily married for 28 years this Labor Day Weekend to the great GOP_Harley_Guy! :-) Otherwise...


41 posted on 08/03/2008 9:47:08 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: mngran2

Raspberry scones, 470 calories? Yikes!


42 posted on 08/03/2008 9:47:11 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: wintertime

I walk two miles a day during the week, and at least six per day on the weekend. 2,200 in just walking alone. Have a slight paunch, but am in good shape otherwise.


43 posted on 08/03/2008 9:48:17 AM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: Clemenza

It’s rather disheartening that more and more people want government to do things for them that they could have done themselves. A minute of research would tell you have many calories in a popcorn, scone, etc.


44 posted on 08/03/2008 9:49:01 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: John123
Is there a relationship between fiber and colon cancer?

Although not an MD, there have been several studies over the year contending a link between rotting food accumulating in the colon and cancer. There have been other studies claiming no link at all. I will have to defer to wiki on this one:

The comparison of colorectal cancer incidence in various countries strongly suggests that sedentarity, overeating (i.e., high caloric intake), and perhaps a diet high in meat (red or processed) could increase the risk of colorectal cancer. In contrast, a healthy body weight, physical fitness, and good nutrition decreases cancer risk in general. Accordingly, lifestyle changes could decrease the risk of colorectal cancer as much as 60-80%.[42]

A high intake of dietary fiber (from eating fruits, vegetables, cereals, and other high fiber food products) has, until recently, been thought to reduce the risk of colorectal cancer and adenoma. In the largest study ever to examine this theory (88,757 subjects tracked over 16 years), it has been found that a fiber rich diet does not reduce the risk of colon cancer. [43] A 2005 meta-analysis study further supports these findings.[44]

The Harvard School of Public Health states: "Health Effects of Eating Fiber: Long heralded as part of a healthy diet, fiber appears to reduce the risk of developing various conditions, including heart disease, diabetes, diverticular disease, and constipation. Despite what many people may think, however, fiber probably has little, if any effect on colon cancer risk." [45]

45 posted on 08/03/2008 9:51:43 AM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: GOP_Lady

Popcorn doesn’t have to have that many calories! I snack on popcorn I’ve popped in a microwave popper, and just drizzle a couple of teaspoons of olive oil on it. It’s not a huge amount of popped corn, and the olive oil is good for you. I just don’t drown it in EVO and/or butter. That way, the calorie count isn’t off the charts.


46 posted on 08/03/2008 9:52:30 AM PDT by FixedandDilated
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To: Clemenza

There’s a pretty high correlation between family history and colorectal cancer. A person has to be cautious when choosing their ancestors. ;)


47 posted on 08/03/2008 9:54:40 AM PDT by FixedandDilated
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To: FixedandDilated

Exactly. I love Olive Oil — put it on a lot of things.


48 posted on 08/03/2008 9:55:12 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady

I knew about popcorn (canola ie rapeseed oil is used a generously in popping the corn), never really thought about the cookie. I would have been about 100 calories off if I would have guessed.


49 posted on 08/03/2008 9:55:23 AM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: mngran2
Obesity Gov't police at it again.

Liberals hate the "evil multinational fast food chains". This will help to dramatically decrease their business.

50 posted on 08/03/2008 9:56:41 AM PDT by what's up
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