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Pastor learns about Islam, tries to bridge gap with Christians
The Journal-Constitution ^ | 08/01/08 | JOHN CHRISTENSEN

Posted on 08/03/2008 10:15:46 PM PDT by forkinsocket

During lunch 18 months ago, Dr. Ben Johnson had an epiphany as Dr. Aisha Jumaan, a Muslim, spoke to him about her faith and her experience of God.

"It came to me that this woman loves and worships the same God I do," says Johnson, a Christian. "I had this sharpened awareness that in that moment she was in touch with God, just as I was. It was a dawning and an awakening, and it was liberating because it liberates you from standing on a pedestal and looking down on someone else."

It also inspired Johnson to take on a life-changing mission.

At a time when many Christians, including some in his own church, were openly hostile towards a religion they believed advocated terrorism and was at war with the United States, Johnson initiated a dialog aimed at bringing Christians and Muslims together.

He has conducted a series of lectures and small-group gatherings at which more than 500 Muslims and Christians have shared their faith with each other. Not, Johnson hastens to point out, to convert anyone: "Just to understand each other."

Sunday Johnson will present another lecture, "Beyond 9/11: Christians and Muslims Together — A New World Vision" at Shallowford Presbyterian Church in Atlanta with a vision clear in his mind.

"The dream," he says, "is that we can find a way to bridge the chasm between Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists and make Atlanta a model city. That over the next year or two, we can develop an interfaith immersion program."

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antichrist; beast; christians; culturewar; falsegods; interfaith; islam; mohammedanism; newworldorder; oneworldreligion; polytheism; religiousleft; sleepingwiththeenemy
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1 posted on 08/03/2008 10:15:47 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2Tim 4:3-4


2 posted on 08/03/2008 10:20:49 PM PDT by Vercingetorixbc (Veni, Vedi, Butti - I came, I saw, I kicked butt)
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To: forkinsocket

You must have one god for the one religion of the end times to come into being.


3 posted on 08/03/2008 10:21:30 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: forkinsocket
Sadly, Dr. Johnson will fail in this mission. You can't reason with people who worship a religion of death.
4 posted on 08/03/2008 10:22:08 PM PDT by princeofdarkness (Barack Hussein Obama- The Only Candidate Who Makes John Kerry Look Steadfast and Principled.)
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To: forkinsocket

Rooster doo.

Do any of these boneheads wonder why Jesus had to die a horrible death on the cross if all roads lead to the same god? They are saying His sacrifce was meaningless. If you believe all religions are equal, then you really believe nothing at all. As Chesterton said, “Tolerance is the virtue of the man with no convictions.”

They are free to hold this opinion, but I wouldn’t want to be handcuffed to any of them when they die.


5 posted on 08/03/2008 10:27:36 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: forkinsocket

If Islam means peace and we all worship the same god(s), this Pastor should attempt to bring his religious text (Bible) into Saudi Arabia, the head of the Islamic empire. And he should ask to be permitted entry into Mecca, the capital of the Islamic empire. As a kufir, he would be on the receiving end of a death sentence. So much for peace love and understanding.


6 posted on 08/03/2008 10:32:17 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: Vercingetorixbc

Agreed.

Matthew 11:27, Luke 10:22, John 5:23, 1 John 2:23, 2 John 1:9.


7 posted on 08/03/2008 10:34:18 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: forkinsocket

The god of muslims and the God of Abraham are not the same.


8 posted on 08/03/2008 10:34:29 PM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: Ingtar

And that is where all this “ecumenical” attempts to bridge Christianity with islam is going (as you said).


9 posted on 08/03/2008 10:35:40 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man with no convictions.”

One of my favorite Chesterton quotes.

Similar to the chestnut about the open mind being an empty one.


10 posted on 08/03/2008 10:36:32 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: forkinsocket

God's Bridge: The Cross Jesus Christ died on the Cross and rose from the grave. He paid the penalty for our sin and bridged the gap between God and people.

The Bible says..."For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ." 1 Timothy 2:5 "For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God." 1 Peter 3:18 "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 God has provided the only way. Each person must make a choice.

11 posted on 08/03/2008 10:38:17 PM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: forkinsocket

Is that the mind-deadening strains of Kumbayah I hear?


12 posted on 08/03/2008 10:42:44 PM PDT by John Valentine
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Great point. The merger of the Christian faith with the Muslim one is most probably part of the agenda to bring about a one world religion.


13 posted on 08/03/2008 10:44:07 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: forkinsocket
Dr. Johnson.

If it is as you say, then Christ died on the cross in vain. Why would Christ sacrifice Himself to wash away your sins, if blowing yourself up with a bomb while killing as many Jews as you could would do the same thing?

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved

14 posted on 08/03/2008 10:44:11 PM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Islam denies that Jesus died!

Muslim’s believe that is only *appeared* as if he was killed. It is commonly taught that someone (probably Judas) was killed in his place.

I certainly do not agree with their teaching but this is what they believe.


15 posted on 08/03/2008 10:54:41 PM PDT by newberger (Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death!)
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To: Tex Pete

AMEN!


16 posted on 08/03/2008 10:59:50 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: forkinsocket

This is all it is, and all it ever will be. Senseless death, destruction and submission to Satan.

17 posted on 08/03/2008 11:07:11 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Vercingetorixbc

You are quite right and to which I would add, “”Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me”. John 14:6


18 posted on 08/03/2008 11:15:37 PM PDT by miele man
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To: All

Beyond 9/11: Christians and Muslims Together--A New World Vision

The question should be, would you be willing to adopt this "new world vision" ON 9/11?

19 Muslims following what Islam truly teaches killed 3,000 Americans in an inferno of fire and metal, and we're supposed to move on and live in harmony together? And I thought Harry Potter was fantasy! As long as the dragon hunts you, there will not be peace. You have to kill the dragon to achieve peace.

"It came to me that this woman loves and worships the same God I do," says Johnson, a Christian.

Newflash, Mr. Johnson. Muslims don't believe in the Trinity, so their concept of God is flawed. Yes, Christian Arabs also use the word al-Lah ("the God"), but in their case it actually refers to God.
19 posted on 08/03/2008 11:23:45 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: forkinsocket

Moslems are just like Christians. Except for that head-chopping part.


20 posted on 08/03/2008 11:28:47 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I am voting for McCain because he is white.)
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To: Vercingetorixbc

Thanks for posting such a fitting response to that article. Perfect.


21 posted on 08/03/2008 11:31:05 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: forkinsocket; All

This is very disturbing. Anyone who claims to be a Christian cannot in truth believe anyone who practices Islam worships the “same” god.

We must remember - ISLAM DOES NOT RECOGNIZE JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR - therefore .. they DO NOT worship the same god.


22 posted on 08/03/2008 11:33:26 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Michael Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: forkinsocket

Especially for a pastor, this guy doesn’t know his Bible. Even my creepy cousin, who is a pastor, knows more than this yahoo, and that ain’t sayin’ much.


23 posted on 08/03/2008 11:52:57 PM PDT by BruceysMom ( My heart is in Baggs)
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To: forkinsocket

Well, if he is doing this to figure out how to defeat them... great. Unfortunately, he is trying to “understand” them. What a waste of time that is!


24 posted on 08/03/2008 11:55:55 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: BruceysMom

Please tell me it’s not the, “I REALLY like little children” creepy.


25 posted on 08/04/2008 12:06:59 AM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: Ingtar
Johnson is a world class buffoon.

I find it ironic that his muslim buddy is named Aisha.

Aisha happens to be the name of one of Mohammed's many wives. Mohammed married her and had sex with her when she was only 9 years old.

It is quite accepted in Islam for old muslim men to marry little girls.

That is yet another reason why I will never, ever accept Islam as something God would condone.

Yes, the photo below is of a muslim cleric passionately kissing a boy on the mouth. He probably dictates local laws for some third world islamic town or city somewhere.


26 posted on 08/04/2008 12:26:09 AM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon. Pray for them always.)
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To: Vercingetorixbc; forkinsocket

Where does this Johnson guy pastor? What church?


27 posted on 08/04/2008 12:31:40 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just say NObama!)
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To: forkinsocket

I wonder if Islam has allowed Dr. Aisha Jumaan to retain her cltoris......A starting point for differentiating that their culture is a lesser one.


28 posted on 08/04/2008 12:38:13 AM PDT by dersepp (I Am A Militia Of One)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Tolerance is a fine virtue, but it is being misapplied here. To be tolerant towards other religious thinking means to allow it to exist, not to embrace it as a viable alternative to what you know to be true.

I pray that this pastor considers the consequences of his actions very carefully.


29 posted on 08/04/2008 12:41:05 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: forkinsocket
Apparently, no conversions here yet. . .to Christianity at least.

Do wish 'Dr. Ben'had experienced his epihany with say. . .someone who is Jewish. . .or Buddhist; or any other Faith that did not have an unequivical definition for 'infidel'; or have an incompatibility with Democracy.

(Wonder as well, if they have 'debated' the morality of 'honor killings'; such as the one where daughter was just recently murdered, in Atlanta, by her Father and with a bungee cord; and if 'common ground' has been established re this long-standing Islamic tradition.)

Meantime, who needs a 'trojan horse'?

30 posted on 08/04/2008 12:48:51 AM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; befor e it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: Vanders9
I pray that this pastor considers the consequences of his actions very carefully

Yes, it could happen that someone of the ROP might - at some point - think he is guilty of misleading or is tainting, the 'Brotherhood'.

And don't think it bodes well, for the 'bigger picture'. The 'movers and shakers of this Religion surely do not find Dr. Ben's vision, compatible with the goals of Islam. The 'Cross and the crescent' do not hang stand. . .together.

31 posted on 08/04/2008 12:58:44 AM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; befor e it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: Vanders9
I pray that this pastor considers the consequences of his actions very carefully

Yes, it could happen that someone of the ROP might - at some point - think he is guilty of misleading or is tainting, the 'Brotherhood'.

And don't think it bodes well, for the 'bigger picture'. The 'movers and shakers of this Religion surely do not find Dr. Ben's vision, compatible with the goals of Islam. The 'Cross and the crescent' do not hang stand. . .together.

32 posted on 08/04/2008 12:59:15 AM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; befor e it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: Tex Pete

Dr Ben Johnson is not too smart. Allah is a pagan god like Ba’al of the Old testament. Before Muhammed Saudi Arabia had 360 pagan gods, but Muhammed narrowed it to just one pagan god. Allah is not the God of the bible as so many think that belong to Islam. Allah is a pagan god, one that is invented by man.


33 posted on 08/04/2008 2:07:57 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: tessalu

Muhammed said that Allah said to kill the Christians and the Jews, and not to make friends with them. Does that not give you a clue who allah is?


34 posted on 08/04/2008 2:10:41 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: princeofdarkness

All I need to know about Islam I learned in kindergarten—i.e., don’t take crap from bullies.


35 posted on 08/04/2008 2:12:43 AM PDT by compound w
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To: Prole

remember this?

http://voyage.typepad.com/lfc_images/Putin_Boy.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=c4v9RxBXIw8&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i.ytimg.com/vi/c4v9RxBXIw8/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJPYvcR89ZxdP04hEeV2IHv&fs=1


36 posted on 08/04/2008 2:13:10 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: endthematrix

No, he’s a channel someone else type of creepy.


37 posted on 08/04/2008 2:55:31 AM PDT by BruceysMom ( My heart is in Baggs)
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To: forkinsocket

http://www.learntheology.com/antichrist_islams_messiah.html

The pastor needs to read this.

He’s on the path toward destruction.


38 posted on 08/04/2008 3:53:06 AM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Maranatha!)
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To: forkinsocket

The more I learned about islam, the more disgusted I became. Gap? More like abyss.


39 posted on 08/04/2008 4:12:47 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: forkinsocket

Taqiyya alert! Taqiyya alert!


40 posted on 08/04/2008 4:24:07 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: forkinsocket
"It came to me that this woman loves and worships the same God I do," says Johnson, a Christian.

Think again,Dr Johnson.In his "holy" book,her "god",when speaking of infidels (that's you and me,Doctor),instructs his followers to:

Smite them above their necks, and smite off all finger-tips.

And for the record,Doctor,"smite" means to cut or sever.

41 posted on 08/04/2008 4:42:41 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bein ein beginner")
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To: forkinsocket
loves and worships the same God I do

Wrong from he jump.

42 posted on 08/04/2008 5:02:10 AM PDT by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"...this woman loves and worships the same God I do..."

I must have missed the part in the Koran where they worship the triune God. The Trinity is the basis of Christianity, not Islam. Or, maybe Dr. Johnson doesn't worship the triune God either.

43 posted on 08/04/2008 5:06:43 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: forkinsocket

“”It came to me that this woman loves and worships the same God I do,” says Johnson, a Christian. “

Where did that idea come from? The dark or light? It didn’t come from the light. The pastor has been deceived.


44 posted on 08/04/2008 5:09:38 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: BruceysMom
Whew. Still...

I have one like that in family. But as a (Christian?) pastor, I would think it would be obviously anti-Christian. My sis, is into “New Age” and we are just starting to get back into a friendly relationship after our Mother passed away in 2000. I posted an vanity article on the subject. You may find some interest or add a comment.

Ideas on dealing with “New Age” family members. (Vanity)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1933482/posts

45 posted on 08/06/2008 7:46:07 AM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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