Posted on 08/04/2008 11:35:24 AM PDT by Shermy
While counselor Jean Duley said the late Bruce E. Ivins expressed homicidal intentions, threatened her and said he "would go out in a blaze of glory" in the face of a pending FBI indictment, as least one former colleague believes the Fort Detrick scientist is being used as a scapegoat in the high profile anthrax poisoning case that paralyzed the nation -- again -- shortly after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Arthur O. Anderson, a medical doctor and scientist at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease at Fort Detrick, said Duley's description of Ivins doesn't match his impressions of a man with whom he worked for many years.
Ivins, who was about to be indicted by the FBI in the anthrax mailings that killed five people and injured 17 others, was described by Anderson as a hard-working individual with a high level of integrity and pride in both his workplace and his individual work.
The only perceived weakness that Anderson could discern, and not all people would consider it a weakness, he said, was that Ivins "had relatively thin skin."
"His personality style was such that he was sensitive to public opinion," Anderson said Sunday. "There are individuals in our community whose lives are centered around protesting government programs. They're not necessarily interested in facts, but pushing an agenda."
Ivins would take it personally when seemingly unfounded criticism was aimed at something he believed in, Anderson said.
"He was concerned with how the Institute was perceived and how he was perceived," Anderson said. "That manifested itself in the care he took in conducting his research."
As a health care professional and bioethicist -- he heads USAMRIID's Office of Human Use and Ethics -- Anderson said he takes issue with what he views as Duley's professional betrayal of Ivins.
"I can tell you very clearly that the minute a conflict of interest occurs in the caregiver-client relationship É she has to withdraw as the caregiver," he said. "She can't ethically continue to gather information or share information -- betray that trust -- without disclosing to her client that she is sharing what he believes is confidential, privileged information."
Anderson said that if he was to betray a patient's trust in such a manner, he would be subject to medical disciplinary procedures.
In commenting about remarks made by Duley when she applied to the District Court of Maryland for a Peace Order, Anderson said he was amazed that a judge would allow hearsay to be entered on the record.
Duley referred to comments allegedly made by Ivins' psychiatrist about Ivins' homicidal and sociopathic tendencies, without confirmation to the court that the doctor actually made the comments.
"The remaining allegations about murderous ideas and plans sound so foreign to me that in the absence of contemporaneously documented evidence I would have to consider them items of Ms. Duley's vivid imagination or information fed to her by the people she communicated with outside the therapeutic environment," Anderson wrote in an e-mail to the News-Post. "It is not at all surprising to me that a patient whose therapist is serving as a double agent 'therapist' and 'accuser' would become very angry with the therapist and might make some rather dramatic expressions of that anger."
The doctor and scientist paused briefly after being asked if he believes Ivins committed suicide.
"Oh, yeah," he said. "I think all of the circumstances put him in a place where he felt he had no place to go."
Anderson said he became aware in June that the FBI had taken items out of Ivins' lab.
"The FBI took all of the stored things in his lab freezer," Anderson said. "They basically destroyed his life's work. I think that's what upset him the most."
Anderson said it is "highly incomprehensible" to him that Ivins would be regarded as the perpetrator in this case simply because he had access to anthrax.
He said he last saw Ivins around July 6. Ivins told him the FBI was stalking him, following him everywhere, Anderson said.
"He was animated and appropriately concerned, but certainly not out of control."
Anderson does not believe Ivins is responsible for the 2001 anthrax deaths.
"Now that he can't defend himself against the allegations, this will play out the way it will play out," he said.
But he firmly believes it wasn't guilt that killed his colleague and friend.
"I think it was the sense of betrayal and complete abandonment by those around him," Anderson said. "He cared so much and had so much pride in the work he did -- I don't think he could handle that sense of abandonment."
I don’t follow this kind of news because...the guy had access to anthrax and wasn’t caught for nearly 7 years, it just beggars believability.
Your typical hospital pharmacy, you can’t get tylenol without signing in, signing out, signing your name, saying who sent you, what it’s for, how much you want, and what color were your bridesmaids’ gowns.
But this guy got anthrax without leaving a trail and then he overloaded himself with tylenol.
It's kind of amazing that it's just happening to be closed so close to the election, when we're certainly going to end up with a highly Democrat congress, and quite possibly a Democrat president as well. And with the political nature of this case, the pressure for information would have intensified, big time.
Guess they won't have to worry about giving any more briefings on this one to a new administration, will they?
As for me, the closest thing to a relative I could say that about is my ex-husband, who is danged lucky I didn't kill him myself ; )
“U.S. officials said e-mails or other documents detail Ivins’ long-standing fixation on the sorority.”
Is that what they told the reporters, “We got e-mails. Or other documents. Or, or..”
This smells like it is linked to Duley.
I expect that before too long, they’ll be telling us that he was also fixated on the National Enquirer, and that was why he he sent the first letter to their headquarters.
Assuming the FBI's conclusion that the stuff originated at Ivins's lab is correct, then Ivins or one of his coworkers must have soaked up the emerging story of the hijackers' stay in the US. I wonder if the National Enquirer connection was public knowledge by the time of the mailing?
The orchestration of leaks, including their vagueness and desperation (and seeming jibing with Duley’s weirdness) tells me the science to be revealed isn’t a dead bang winner.
Do different post offices use different stamps? This determination sounds a little farfetched to me, but maybe it's possible. If so, I'm surprised that this information never came out until now.
The particular variety used in the anthrax attack has been replaced.
If they were putting track and trace materials in the paper it was a secret.
What I suspect is that there were no track and trace materials in the paper, but in the course of "discussing" the business with some cronie reporter the FBI informant got all mixed up on "all the envelopes came from Pennsylvania" ~ meaning the facility in Wilkes Barre ~ and got turned into "near Maryland or New Jersey" - since PA, after all, really is near MD and NJ.
So, what can I say ~ FBI guys are protecting their careers from a possible Obama regime, and reporters are stupid.
well of course what you describe involve extreme cases, and if the brother had pointed to such things it would be understandable.
But he didn’t.
Instead he strangely describes being stronger, being athletic, not crumbling under pressure like his weaker brother.
It sounds like an extreme case of sibling rivalry.
"He proceeded to describe to the group a very long and detailed homicidal plan and intention, that he had bought a vest, obtained a gun, a very detailed plan to kill his co-workers, because he was about to be indicted on capital murder charges," she added. "He was going to go out in a blaze of glory."Well, did the FBI find the vest and gun yet?
Time to drain another pond eh~!
Yeah, some blaze of glory: being found alone on the floor, dying from an overdose! He did exactly the opposite of what she's claiming.
Oh, and if what this lady is saying is true, that he supposedly discussed his homicidal intentions in front of a group of people, that means there's a whole group of people out there that should be able to corroborate what she is saying. I guess they may not want to admit taking part in group therapy sessions though.
The more I think about it, the more it sounds like she's spinning a total cock and bull story.
“
Now we don’t hear about the brother any more.
“
The “distance” between the brothers was mentioned in The Wall
Street Journal last week.
The reason was that the brother said they just didn’t get together much
was because when Bruce Ivins got his degree, he started to lord it
over his brother.
Sounds like Ivins got a bit of a superiority complex that rubbed
family members the wrong way.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080804/ap_on_go_ot/anthrax_investigation_27
Katherine Breckinridge Graham, a Kappa alumna who serves as an adviser to the sorority's Princeton chapter, said Monday she was interviewed by FBI agents "over the last couple of years" about the case. She said she could not provide any details about the interview because she signed an FBI nondisclosure form.That's very interesting. Apparently the sorority angle didn't just recently derive from Duley. Maybe there really is an "email...or document" having him complain about the sorority.However, Graham said there was nothing to indicate that any of the sorority members had anything to do with Ivins.
"Nothing odd went on," said Graham, an attorney.
But,
Kappa Kappa Gamma also has chapters at nearby colleges in Maryland, Pennsylvania and Washington. One official said investigators were working off the theory that Ivins chose to mail the letters from the Princeton chapter to confuse investigators if he ever were to emerge as a suspect in the case.What?!? Is this logical in any regard? He intended to frame the sorority? How? And then chose one farther away not to implicate himself?
Oh, and if what this lady is saying is true, that he supposedly discussed his homicidal intentions in front of a group of people, that means there's a whole group of people out there that should be able to corroborate what she is saying. I guess they may not want to admit taking part in group therapy sessions though.Or, as Blackdog theorized, Ivins was sarcastically spinning some of it to rile her up.
BTW, no news yet from Dr. David Irwin who Duley claimed was Ivins' psychiatrist and would confirm her statements about him being homicidal.
“What?!? Is this logical in any regard? He intended to frame the sorority? How? And then chose one farther away not to implicate himself?”
no.
it doesn’t make sense.
And as freeper muawiyah is pointing out, the letters didn’t necessarily have to be dropped in the mail in Jersey for that box to get contaminated.
“Sounds like Ivins got a bit of a superiority complex that rubbed
family members the wrong way.”
And yet - when you read Tom’s opinions, one could get the impression Tom was the one with the superiority complex.
Gad, this is how they handled the deal going on in North Carolina hunting for the Atlanta Bomber ~ send in young men to honey up the wimmenfolks at the local beerjoints.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.