Homosexuality – Punishable by Death?

Aftenposten ^ | August 4, 2008

[Free ThinkerNY]

Last November the Norwegian Islamic Council asked the European fatwa council what attitude it should have to homosexuals.

The fatwa council, which debates questions of Muslim faith and doctrine, had its annual meeting in Paris three weeks ago, but did not discuss the subject, according to daily newspaper Dagsavisen.

"It's wrong of the Islamic Council to wait for the "verdict" from the fatwa council in such an important case. By not saying 'no' to death penalties for gays, it shows attitudes that conflict with both democratic and humanitarian values," says Sara Azmeh Rasmussen. She is the only openly lesbian Muslim in Norway.

The head of the Norwegian Islamic Council, Senaid Kobilica, is not worried that the fatwa council will decide in favour of the death penalty. "I'm 100 percent certain that the fatwa council will not come out in favour something which conflicts with European law. The council wasn't able to deal with the question of homosexuality this time, but it thinks that subject is quite relevant and wants to look at the matter more," says Kobilica.

The Islamic Council, which represents 60,000 Muslims in Norway, is still not willing to say whether it is for or against the death penalty for homosexuals, until the fatwa council has spoken.

"It's very important to have the European fatwa council with us in difficult matters like this. I am not in favour of the death penalty, but there are Islamic texts that various people understand differently. This is why we need to know the attitude of the authority before we make a decision," says Kobilica.

[rbg81]

The really funny thing is homosexuals are helping to create an Islamic state by weaking the West both morally and demographically. Once the policies they advocate come the fruition, the result (an Islamic state that governs by Sharia) will slaughter them without mercy. Liberals think that no matter what happens they will always have their tony little enclaves where they sip coffee with their friends. How wrong they are. Be careful what you wish for...

[ought-six]

The woman in the artile is an openly lesbian muzz, and her head is still attached to her body? The local imams are falling down on the job.

[ought-six]

Your photo montage displays a target rich environment. It’s interesting the muzz don’t try to pull that kind of crap here. Perhaps they know that Americans are still citizens, are armed, and aren’t so appeasing as their British cousins.

[guitarplayer1953]

Really?

From the looks of the picture they should be drinking decaf.

If I were to come across a rally like that in the USA I would do every thing in the world to provoke them in to attacking me then me and Mr Smith and Mr Wesson would have the last word.

Black Jack Pershing had the right way to deal with this sort of non sense

[expatpat]

An old pal of the Ugly One said in a television interview that he was told that (reluctantly) by former aides of UO.

[grey_whiskers]

She is the only openly lesbian Muslim in Norway.

Click here.

Cheers!

[FFranco]

Black Jack Pershing had the right way to deal with this sort of non sense

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I’m not familiar with your reference to Pershing. Are you referring to MacArthur, who in 1932 dispersed the commie veterans of the Bonus Army who were trying to extort money from the US government?

[Antoninus]

This is all part of the battle between the extremes of the culture war—the Islamic nutcases and the hedonist nutcases. I’m so happy they’ve finally found each other.

[airborne]

By not saying 'no' to death penalties for gays, it shows attitudes that conflict with both democratic and humanitarian values," says Sara Azmeh Rasmussen. She is the only openly lesbian Muslim in Norway.

Not after her Muslim brothers chop her head off!

[guitarplayer1953]

I believe that when Pershing was in Manila took a band of Islamic guerrillas and dug a long ditch filled it with pig guts and lined them up and had a firing squad shot them and they fell in the pit. That seem to take a lot of steam out of the movement

[guitarplayer1953]

HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS...... it worked once in our History...

Once in U.S. history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so “Black Jack” told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.

Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs’ blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.

All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.

Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won’t make them flinch.

They welcome the chance to die for Allah. Like Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won’t get to Muslim heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins) but instead will die with the hated pigs of the devil.

[airborne]

There is no one in our govenment with the will to do that.

It will take a nuke in a major US city, if that.

[guitarplayer1953]

That is why the founding Fathers put the 2nd amendment in place.

[FFranco]

Thanks for letting me know about that. Though I had general knowledge of the success of the US military against the Philippine insurrection.

That would be an effective way to deal with Muslims today, just as it was more than 100 years ago.

[guitarplayer1953]

The problem today is we have forgotten how to fight a war to win it.

Propaganda is a very powerful weapon if they had at the beginning of the Iraqi war let it be leaked out that all of the military bullets were greased with hog fat and all of our bombs has traces of pigs blood in them there would of been a lot less resistance.

[jan in Colorado]

"Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs’ blood.

It is too bad we can not do this today. When we have to fight a politically correct war, and worry about our enemies "feelings", we will not defeat them!

[Impy]

If a h*mos**u*l and a muslim were locked in room together which would be turned?

[El Gato]

Norwegian Islamic Council

That's just wrong any way you cut it.

Who's their leader, Mohammad bin Frozen?

[Fred Nerks]

Islam doesn't really have a problem with homosexual behaviour because in arab 'culture' the dominant partner is not guilty of a deviant act, only the submissive partner is seen as guilty...just as the female victim of rape is the guilty party and the perp goes free.

I don't think homosexuality as such exists in the arab mind, they call it sodomy. Remember Imanutjob saying they don't have homosexuality in Iran?

It's purely and simply OUR laws and morals they are attacking, not their own. Islam can do no wrong, they follow the laws of allah dontcha know...

Of course in the 'golden age of islam' when slaves were numerous and castrated, there would have been no need for fatwas...it will take them several generations to get out of that 7th century mindset. If they live that long.

http://ethnikoi.org/iran.html

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister... It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house, rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable. ["Tahrirolvasyleh"]

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned.

Wine and all intoxicating beverages are impure, but opium and hashish are not.

If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.

During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman's vagina or a man's anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform ablutions.

A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband's permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfilment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so. A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.

If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.

If a man commits adultery with an unmarried woman, and subsequently marries her, the child born of that marriage will be a bastard unless the parents can be sure it was conceived after they were married. A child born of an adulterous father is legitimate.

Ali [son in law of Mohammed], having cut off the hands of two thieves, treated their wounds and offered them his hospitality, and this affected them so much that they became utterly devoted to him; or again when he heard that the marauding army of Muawiyah had abused a woman of one of the tribes, he was so upset and moved to pity he declared: "If a man died after such an occurrence, no one could blame him." And yet, despite a nature as sensitive as that, Ali bared his sword and hacked the perpetrators to pieces. This is the meaning of justice.

- "The Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious" (The Little Green Book), ISBN number 0-553-14032-9.

(Now there's a FATWA!)