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Have We Reached the End of the Road for Oil?
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 8/9/2008 | David Strahan

Posted on 08/10/2008 11:20:37 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: rbg81

I expect the Israelis to hit Iran between 11/4 and January and we all know what follows...


21 posted on 08/10/2008 12:23:23 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Always Right
They said that happened over 30 years ago.

What with the new technology to discover oil, there is many times as much oil that has not been discovered than has been affirmed as existing.

We are not going to run out. We need to run out of politics infused into oil exploration and production, then we will have enough oil for decades.

22 posted on 08/10/2008 12:39:51 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: trumandogz

Yeah; if you leave it in the ground it’s the end. But oil prices are up b/c the Fed printed too much money. Is it the end of gold, b/c gold went from 250 to 1,000/oz? Or end of corn, which tripled? Etc, etc. Get the dollar to $1/1euro and oil would drop sharply.


23 posted on 08/10/2008 1:22:06 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: trumandogz

if the demand is increasing faster than production, why is the price falling then?


24 posted on 08/10/2008 1:57:20 PM PDT by willyd (Tickets, fines, fees, permits and inspections are synonyms for taxes)
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To: trumandogz
We will not run out of oil but demand for oil is increasing faster than production.

So lets increase production.

25 posted on 08/10/2008 1:59:19 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: kellynla
So why has a commodity that until recently seemed like a one-way bet suddenly gone into reverse?

Simple demand destruction. Once prices fall and the resulting demand picks back up, away we go again.

26 posted on 08/10/2008 2:01:06 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: Cold Heat

This old earth has been going around for billions of years and recycling its vegetation and other matter into undergound oil. The oil that hasn’t been discovered will last this planet for hundreds of years.


27 posted on 08/10/2008 2:16:45 PM PDT by yorkie01
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To: trumandogz

We could become 100% North American oil sourced within 20 years. The world can have the rest. Once we are not dependent on Middle Eastern, African and South American oil, we can have breathing room to develop better power companies, more fuel efficient technologies and possibly a synthetic or alternative fuel at our own pace.

If we tried, we can become 100% free of foreign oil. We would have to make drastic changes in drilling, and refinery policy but it can be done. Combined known US owned oil fields will last well more than 100 years. We just lack the will to get it.


28 posted on 08/10/2008 2:42:24 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: kellynla

btt


29 posted on 08/10/2008 3:57:50 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Dutch Boy

While there are great benefits to the US developing new sources of energy and increasing oil & gas production, we still must understand that all oil domestically produced will effect the world price of oil.

Thus, if the world as a whole begins to produce more oil and the price of oil drops to below $50.00 or $60.00 dollars a barrel, the E&P in the U.S. will decrease significantly and you will be back to buying foreign oil.


30 posted on 08/10/2008 9:23:03 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: kellynla
"why has a commodity that until recently seemed like a one-way bet suddenly gone into reverse?"

Because anyone who ever thought that it was a one way bet was and remains a clueless moron. And because enough clueless morons instantly result in utterly ridiculous prices that cannot be sustained.

31 posted on 08/10/2008 9:31:39 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: burroak
Because greenies don't plan to replace anything. They aim to end civilization and let 95% of the human race die off as we regress to a hunter-gatherer existence. If some foreign socialist who isn't green enough takes over instead, well, then they just have one more PR smear campaign ahead of them before that glorious consumation.

They are fools and enemies of the human race. There is no reason to take anything they say remotely seriously. Next we will adopt a military policy of praying for lightning to strike our enemies dead, and manage the economy by examining the entrails of dead goats.

32 posted on 08/10/2008 9:34:59 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: kellynla
...In any event, the world production peak for conventionally reservoired crude is unlikely to be “right around the corner” as so many other estimators have been predicting....

We've been hearing this for what....four decades now?
33 posted on 08/10/2008 9:35:31 PM PDT by rottndog (Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: willyd
if the demand is increasing faster than production, why is the price falling then?

Because the long term view is that high prices have finally spurred development and production from new sources, and in the future production will finally be allowed to catch up to and surpass demand, which will ultimately lead to an oil glut.

There is also the sentiment by producers, that they had better take advantage of the high prices now by getting as much oil to market as possible and maximizing profits. This rush to get oil on the market will/is snowballing, and eventually not only will the bubble merely burst, but oil prices will collapse. Sound familiar? (think.....housing bubble....)
34 posted on 08/10/2008 9:46:20 PM PDT by rottndog (Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: yorkie01
Yorkie, I actually agree with you on that point, given that market conditions don't change, but that is not how oil is priced, and recently with the Brazil find, the question remains on how to get the stuff. They theoretically know it should be there and are working now on the tech to retrieve it.

Hence, the market is not very excited about it because demand is skrocketing.

That's the problem in a nutshell, and there are others like quality and input costs. Sweet crude is what we need now because out refineries are limited. The other grades can be cracked and we only have a couple facilities who can do it.

As it gets harder and harder to find and more low hanging fruit, (Our current situation) The heavy crude's all the way to #6 which has to be heated to move or pump, will become more and more the norm, and then there is shale and sand. But they are all very high in sulphur.

While this is all happening, demand is expected to double, perhaps triple, so is the regulation on emissions.

So no, I think there is a shorter time span of usable product. Nat Gas will fill the void for now. We have enough time to find new sources in the solar system. Like you, I don't see a doomsday scenario.

35 posted on 08/10/2008 10:50:40 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: trumandogz

It shouldn’t matter how low it goes in the world. If the goal to be 100% independent it should not matter how low the prices go. That’s how we got in the trouble in the first place.


36 posted on 08/11/2008 2:23:35 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy
It shouldn’t matter how low it goes in the world. If the goal to be 100% independent it should not matter how low the prices go. That’s how we got in the trouble in the first place.

No, that view is far outside the view of economic reality. The fact of the matter is that with oil at its current price, there is an economic incentive to drill in the U.S. However, if the price of oil were to drop to below $60.00 a barrel, domestic E&P would slow and we would again seek oil from other nations.

37 posted on 08/11/2008 2:30:42 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

What I am trying to say is that if we had a goal of being 100% energy independent we could. The UK does it, we could also.

There has to be a decision, cheap oil or independent oil. We tried cheap oil and it lead to dependence. I think it is time to try the other path. We would be the master of our own success instead of having to deal with unsavory characters in countries that love our money but want us all dead.


38 posted on 08/11/2008 2:52:59 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy

I have worked in oil field services for more than 20 years with much of that time being in dark corners of the earth. I would love to spend more time with my family in the U.S. and not in one of those dark corners where I have almost been killed and have not only seen people being oppressed but people killed for nothing more than having a somewhat different view of a certain religion.

However, with cheap oil, we cannot make money drilling here.


39 posted on 08/11/2008 2:58:59 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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