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DA Charges Officer Who Shot Woman, Her Son
NBC San Diego ^ | July 29, 2008 | NBC San Diego

Posted on 08/13/2008 9:18:38 AM PDT by rednesss

SAN DIEGO -- Charges were filed Tuesday against an off-duty San Diego police officer who shot an 8-year-old boy and his mother during a traffic dispute.

District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis made the announcement Tuesday in connection with the March 15 shooting involving Officer Frank White, 28. He was charged with one felony count of gross negligent discharge of a firearm with two enhancements for great bodily injury and one misdemeanor count of exhibiting a firearm. The charges carry a maximum sentence of nine years in prison.

White surrendered to authorities in Vista and pleaded not guilty to the charges. He came to court in a suit with his wife by his side. White maintains that he did nothing wrong in the apparent road-rage incident. He is not in custody and has been released on his own recognizance.

White was driving his personal car when he and Rachel Silva nearly collided in Oceanside. Witnesses say Silva responded aggressively, tailing White and his wife to a parking lot at a Lowe's Home Improvement Store.

White told investigators that he fired after Silva backed up, sideswiping his car. He said he did not see her son in the car. White fired five shots into Rachel Silva's car, striking her twice in the arm and her son once in the knee.

"Based on the evidence and the law, these charges are appropriate," said Dumanis, who declined to answer questions at a brief news conference.

White's attorney, Richard Pinkard told NBC 7/39 his client did nothing wrong.

"At this point, based on statements that have been provided to us, our client's conduct as reasonable under the circumstances. Obviously that's the pivotal issue in this controversy," he said.

According to search warrants filed in the case, White said he displayed his handgun but only began shooting after Silva sideswiped his SUV as she reversed past him. White's wife, a police dispatcher, was in the car.

The San Diego police officer was put on paid administrative leave after the shooting. The district attorney's office did mention that this is only the second time in more than 20 years that an officer has been charged in an officer-involved shooting.

Silva's attorney said he was satisfied with the charges.

Tests showed Silva had a blood-alcohol level nearly twice the legal limit. The 27-year-old pleaded not guilty this month to felony child endangerment. Silva -- who has two drunken driving convictions from last year -- faces up to six years in state prison. Lawyers for her son filed a complaint in federal court in May claiming police were inadequately screened, trained and disciplined.

A readiness hearing in White's case will be held on Aug. 26. The preliminary hearing is scheduled for Sept. 17.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
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"He is not in custody and has been released on his own recognizance."

Cause everyone charged with a felony carrying a 9 year sentence is released on their own recognizance. Some animals are more equal than others I guess.

1 posted on 08/13/2008 9:18:41 AM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss

This was a huge story in San Diego...I believe these charges are the correct one.


2 posted on 08/13/2008 9:20:29 AM PDT by Hildy (You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.)
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To: rednesss

Okay...

He shot an 8-year-old boy and he’s only serving 9 years? What did they do, throw a sci-fi novel at him?


3 posted on 08/13/2008 9:20:52 AM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: rednesss

Poorly written Headline.

Bad headline or not, this animal belongs in a cage.


4 posted on 08/13/2008 9:21:30 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: rednesss

Let’s see. He’s a cop. His wife is a dispatcher. The ‘victim’ chased him and his wife with a vehicle. The ‘victim’ was drunk. The ‘victim’ tried to run him down, and that’s when the shots were fired.

Oh, wait, he’s a cop, and this is FR, home to a bizarre number of people with a Pig Complex.


5 posted on 08/13/2008 9:24:14 AM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: UCANSEE2

ping


6 posted on 08/13/2008 9:24:26 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Sandreckoner

“Let’s see. He’s a cop. His wife is a dispatcher. The ‘victim’ chased him and his wife with a vehicle. The ‘victim’ was drunk. The ‘victim’ tried to run him down, and that’s when the shots were fired.”

She didn’t try to run him down, he was in his car.

“Oh, wait, he’s a cop, and this is FR, home to a bizarre number of people with a Pig Complex.”

Yeah I guess we’re funny in that we don’t want off duty cops shooting people at random.


7 posted on 08/13/2008 9:25:35 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: driftdiver

“She didn’t try to run him down, he was in his car.”

Oh, well, that makes all the difference. They were perfectly safe inside their vehicle while a violent drunk at the wheel of a car was in the midst of a rage.

“Yeah I guess we’re funny in that we don’t want off duty cops shooting people at random.”

Oh totally. Totally “random” scenario that went down here. Very “random” and harmless.

If this had been a “private citizen” who had fired on a violent drunk who had chased them down and was trying to ram them, this would be an entirely different thread.


8 posted on 08/13/2008 9:28:18 AM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: trumandogz
Yeah, well Journalism schools aren't what they used to be.

"our client's conduct as reasonable under the circumstances"

I guess it's reasonable to blindly fire 5 rounds into a car in a parking lot now. Whodathunkit????? I guess he watched too many South Park episodes where Jimbo just has to yell "it's coming straight for us" and that automatically makes it okay to shoot to kill.

9 posted on 08/13/2008 9:30:04 AM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: rednesss
But, but, but, you must understand how dangerous their job is! I mean, that kid could have been armed and jacked up on meth! Do you have any idea what an 8-year-old high on meth with a gun is capable of? I mean, you can't draw any conclusions about this incident because you've never stared down the "vertical coffin" with god-only-knows-what lurking behind! /copsucker

BTW, I'm surprised he didn't find a dog and an old lady to wantonly kill while he was at it.

10 posted on 08/13/2008 9:30:44 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: rednesss

Outrageous. So his car got a dent. Obviously someone deserved to die for that. Doesnt matter if its a woman whos not in her right senses, and her kid who is not at fault at all.

Does this turd think that he can kill anyone who p*sses him off? 9 years? He should have been charged with attempted homicide, or manslaughter at the very least!

Shameful!


11 posted on 08/13/2008 9:31:09 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: rednesss; All
White told investigators that he fired after Silva backed up, sideswiping his car. He said he did not see her son in the car. White fired five shots into Rachel Silva's car, striking her twice in the arm and her son once in the knee.

197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in any of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed; or,
4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace.

Is the use of an automobile against someone else likely to cause death or bodily injury? Yes or no?

What if I were to get into my car, slam it into reverse and head for you while you were seated in your car at a high rate of speed.

What would YOU do?

12 posted on 08/13/2008 9:31:11 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Sandreckoner
Ordinary citizens who shoot home invaders are all too often jailed. I don't see why this cop should get special treatment. He is guilty until he proves he was innocent....isn't that how the cops treat citizens?
13 posted on 08/13/2008 9:31:20 AM PDT by texan75010
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To: rednesss

So this guy felt some rage. He fired FIVE shots! Not one warning shot, before he decides he should pump some serious lead into this car. And what was the “Incident”? Was he responsible for banging into her car?


14 posted on 08/13/2008 9:32:09 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: trumandogz

Responsibility in Government Amendment

All Persons required to take an oath or affirmation thereof, to uphold,enforce,or defend the Law and or the Constitution, Shall be held without Bail in ALL Cases, there shall be no exceptions. All Persons covered under this Amendment, upon conviction of ANY crime, shall be sentenced to 5 times the Maximum Penalty under Law, There shall be no exceptions. All persons covered under this amendment shall serve 1 year in jail for every $1000 in civil fines, there shall be no exceptions.

Eyeamok


15 posted on 08/13/2008 9:32:53 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: texan75010
isn't that how the cops treat citizens?

NO.

16 posted on 08/13/2008 9:34:05 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Sandreckoner

Ummmm.....no.
This is a case where two stupid people encountered one another. Violence ensued. BOTH deserve jail time.
I feel sorry for the kid. He had no choice in any of this, and got shot because his mother’s a drunken moron.


17 posted on 08/13/2008 9:34:19 AM PDT by 95 Bravo ("Freedom is not free.")
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To: Sandreckoner
"If this had been a “private citizen” who had fired on a violent drunk who had chased them down and was trying to ram them, this would be an entirely different thread."

Yes, because then it wouldn't have taken 8 months to bring charges against this reckless fool. You know bullets keep traveling beyond their intended target. And any response must be proportional to the threat.

18 posted on 08/13/2008 9:34:24 AM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: ketelone
So this guy felt some rage. He fired FIVE shots! Not one warning shot, before he decides he should pump some serious lead into this car. And what was the “Incident”? Was he responsible for banging into her car?

Warning shot? Are you serious?

19 posted on 08/13/2008 9:34:42 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Sandreckoner

“Oh, well, that makes all the difference. They were perfectly safe inside their vehicle while a violent drunk at the wheel of a car was in the midst of a rage.”

hmmmm, seems you are in a fit of rage yourself. their car was in danger, they were not. Evidently the DA agrees with me since the cop has been charged.

“If this had been a “private citizen” who had fired on a violent drunk who had chased them down and was trying to ram them, this would be an entirely different thread.”

yes it would, they would be charged with attempted murder under these circumstances. they also would have a hefty bond instead of a get-out-of-jail free card.

Tests show she was drunk, nothing shows she was physically violent. She only tried to get away after he pulled his gun. Yes the off duty cop pulled his gun before she side swiped his car.


20 posted on 08/13/2008 9:35:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: rednesss
Yes, because then it wouldn't have taken 8 months to bring charges against this reckless fool. You know bullets keep traveling beyond their intended target. And any response must be proportional to the threat.

So someone attempting to crash a 1500 lb automobile into you is no big deal?

21 posted on 08/13/2008 9:35:45 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: rednesss
When I was in the US I was driving a nice car (since improved upon) and was passing through this very nice neighborhood at night. I had not gone far before a cop pulled up behind me and I stopped. I immediately lowered all the windows, turned on all the lights inside the vehicle, and put my hands on the steering wheel (before I went to the US I had been given a write-up on how to respond to American cops, and it stated to do what I did). When the officer came I asked him if I had his permission to get my license and registration, and when he said yes I walked him through every movement (e.g. 'I am now reaching for my driver's license officer. It is in my back pocket and I will slowly move to take it out.')

The guy was looking at me like i was a mad man. LOL. He did not even run my ID ....just looked at me, looked at the DL in my hand, and just went back to his car and drove off.

Sounds crazy, but I'd rather spend an extra half a second turning on the lights in my car and putting my hands in the steering wheel than risk some Gestapo tactic from a human being who just happens to have a badge and a gun over me.

22 posted on 08/13/2008 9:36:38 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: ketelone

Warning shot?
WTF?

You realize that a “warning shot” is a round that is aimed and fired at something other than a legitemate target?
That’s usually called a “miss” and has a nasty habit of hitting innocents.

Warning shots aren’t acceptable in any jusrisiction that I know of and can carry legal consequences, as well.

I have no pity for the cop, but he shouldn’t have fired at all.


23 posted on 08/13/2008 9:37:02 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: freedomwarrior998

You are forgetting that this cop has been coached on what to say happened. That makes his word next to meaningless.


24 posted on 08/13/2008 9:37:12 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: rednesss
I'm a little confused, perhaps. An off-duty cop and his wife are nearly hit by a drunk driver who has her child in the car, is tailed by this same driver, side-swiped thus what amounts to assault with a deadly weapon in the hands of, I'll even mention it again, a drunk. The cop, in a parking lot with people in it whilst the drunk driver batters his car with her car, fires at the drunk because he happens to be a cop and has a gun, hits the child he didn't even know was in the car, and he's charged with a felony.

Tell me, what would you do in the same circumstance? Discuss it with her as she rammed your car? Channel the child that you don't know is there to jump? Allow her to careen out of the parking lot perhaps nailing a family of five killing all of them and the child? I KNOW. Call the cops? oh wait....

25 posted on 08/13/2008 9:37:17 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Rule #1 obey all rules. Rule #2 no writing on the walls...)
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To: Sandreckoner
Oh, wait, he’s a cop, and this is FR, home to a bizarre number of people with a Pig Complex.

Sad but true.

26 posted on 08/13/2008 9:37:17 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Republicans and Conservatives staying home will give us President Hussein Obama.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

‘Is the use of an automobile against someone else likely to cause death or bodily injury? Yes or no?”

if you are standing on the ground yes, if you are in your car then not in all cases.

It wasn’t a high rate of speed. How much speed could her car get in 4-5 feet? She was trying to get away because some guy pulled a gun on her.

But its ok for cops to shoot people whenever they feel like it eh?


27 posted on 08/13/2008 9:37:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: freedomwarrior998
"What would YOU do?"

Put my own car into gear and avoid the incident. Anyway your example exaggerates this particular case. I've seen pictures of both his car and her car, I couldn't discern any damage to his car other than the fact that he shot his own driver's window out while playing Yosemite Sam. He wasn't even smart enough to roll down his own window first.

28 posted on 08/13/2008 9:37:58 AM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: freedomwarrior998

‘isn’t that how the cops treat citizens?

NO.”

there are good cops, there are also many cases where this is exactly how cops treat citizens. there are also many cases where ‘good’ cops look the other way while the ‘bad’ cops do this stuff.


29 posted on 08/13/2008 9:38:38 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Sandreckoner

He was off duty. If somebody ran into my car in a parking lot and I opened fire on them and hit them and their kid I’d be looking at a lot more time than he got.


30 posted on 08/13/2008 9:39:17 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: driftdiver
hmmmm, seems you are in a fit of rage yourself. their car was in danger, they were not. Evidently the DA agrees with me since the cop has been charged.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Or doesn't that apply to off duty police officers?

Do DA's ever charge innocent people?

yes it would, they would be charged with attempted murder under these circumstances. they also would have a hefty bond instead of a get-out-of-jail free card.

Really? Do you have proof of your assertion?

What would you do if someone was coming at YOU with an automobile? Sit there and hope that you are not injured or killed?

Tests show she was drunk, nothing shows she was physically violent. She only tried to get away after he pulled his gun. Yes the off duty cop pulled his gun before she side swiped his car.

You were there? You saw the entire incident? Really? If you are a witness why are you speaking about the case on this forum? Wait, I bet I know the answer that that.

31 posted on 08/13/2008 9:39:32 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Ford4000
You are forgetting that this cop has been coached on what to say happened. That makes his word next to meaningless.

Your tin-foil hat fell off.

32 posted on 08/13/2008 9:40:14 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Sandreckoner

I thought I had missed something. Guess not.


33 posted on 08/13/2008 9:40:24 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Rule #1 obey all rules. Rule #2 no writing on the walls...)
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To: Hi Heels
"I'm a little confused"

Yes you are, we'll stop at that. All of the list of horrors you've cited have nothing to do with the facts in this particular case.

34 posted on 08/13/2008 9:41:20 AM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: driftdiver
there are good cops, there are also many cases where this is exactly how cops treat citizens. there are also many cases where ‘good’ cops look the other way while the ‘bad’ cops do this stuff.

Uh huh. I'm sure that the majority of cops are as you say. Cause the internetz told me soz. [/sarcasm]

35 posted on 08/13/2008 9:41:37 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: lesser_satan
He was off duty. If somebody ran into my car in a parking lot and I opened fire on them and hit them and their kid I’d be looking at a lot more time than he got.

You have proof of this assertion?

36 posted on 08/13/2008 9:42:32 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: 95 Bravo

I agree - a random meeting of equivalent morons. There are a lot of mistakes and even a lot of intentional rudeness on the roads these days. I find it best to give it all a wide berth and let the crazies go on their way. If they’re going to find another crazy to fight with, fine. For myself personally, it’s easier for me to walk away from it because I am always armed and know how easily this crap can escalate to a level of needless and pointless violence. The cop should have known much better, of course but the lady was drunk and crazy.


37 posted on 08/13/2008 9:44:45 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: driftdiver
if you are standing on the ground yes, if you are in your car then not in all cases.

Yeah because people are never injured or killed in automobile accidents. [/sarcasm]

It wasn’t a high rate of speed. How much speed could her car get in 4-5 feet? She was trying to get away because some guy pulled a gun on her.

Now you know exactly how many feet her car was from his? AND the thoughts of the woman? All based on a slanted newspaper account of the event? AMAZING!!!! Perhaps the police should hire YOU. All the world's problems would instantly come to an end.

But its ok for cops to shoot people whenever they feel like it eh?

Nice Strawman. That shows intelligence.

38 posted on 08/13/2008 9:45:04 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

“What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Or doesn’t that apply to off duty police officers?’

thats why I said ‘charged’ and not convicted. he’s admitted to shooting the woman and boy so thats not in question. The only question is his justification. IMO a cop sitting in a car who is involved in a slow speed accident should not be opening fire. Note, he already had his gun out before she side swiped his car.

‘Do DA’s ever charge innocent people?’

yep, sometimes its due to fabricated police reports.

‘What would you do if someone was coming at YOU with an automobile? Sit there and hope that you are not injured or killed?”

I wouldn’t brandish a firearm or open fire as long as it was only my car at risk.

“You were there? You saw the entire incident? Really?’

In other reports he admitted to pulling his gun. Also, she was on the phone with the 911 operator telling them he had a gun, before he opened fire. Its all public record.

Why are you speaking in this forum? Are you a cop who’s offeded that sheeple dare to question the actions of a publc servant?


39 posted on 08/13/2008 9:45:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Sandreckoner
Let’s see. He’s a cop. His wife is a dispatcher. The ‘victim’ chased him and his wife with a vehicle. The ‘victim’ was drunk. The ‘victim’ tried to run him down, and that’s when the shots were fired.

There are a couple of minor details you left out. One, he brandished a weapon at the woman prior to the woman backing up. Two, he never left his vehicle. Three, he shot from his vehicle into another vehicle.

In other words, his life was not in jeopardy at the time of the shooting. The other driver may have been drunk, but there is enough evidence to show that, when he brandished his weapon, she tried to protect herself. At this point, the other driver did not know he was an off-duty cop.

The officer should never have fired his weapon.

40 posted on 08/13/2008 9:47:10 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: Emmett McCarthy
I agree - a random meeting of equivalent morons. There are a lot of mistakes and even a lot of intentional rudeness on the roads these days. I find it best to give it all a wide berth and let the crazies go on their way. If they’re going to find another crazy to fight with, fine. For myself personally, it’s easier for me to walk away from it because I am always armed and know how easily this crap can escalate to a level of needless and pointless violence. The cop should have known much better, of course but the lady was drunk and crazy.

You might have that much sense. What if someone else doesn't? What if someone decides that they don't like the way that YOU were driving, and they follow you to a parking lot of a Lowes. Once there they come at your with their automobile.

Do you sit there and take it? Hope that you are not injured or killed as they play demolition derby with you in the vehicle?

41 posted on 08/13/2008 9:47:14 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

‘Uh huh. I’m sure that the majority of cops are as you say. Cause the internetz told me soz. [/sarcasm] ‘

No, its not the internet. Its been pretty well documented in numerous court cases. Heck entire departments have been given federal oversight because of their corruption, LA, Miami, and so on.


42 posted on 08/13/2008 9:48:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: rednesss

I see. Conspiracy. Gotcha.


43 posted on 08/13/2008 9:48:30 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Rule #1 obey all rules. Rule #2 no writing on the walls...)
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To: freedomwarrior998

The truth stings, doesn’t it?

If you think this cop hasn’t been coached you are dreaming. Unless he has non LEO witnesses or forensic evidence to support his story I wouldn’t believe a word of it. Apparently the DA agrees with me.


44 posted on 08/13/2008 9:48:45 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: freedomwarrior998

To summarize your points:

1) Its ok to use deadly force on someone an officer thinks is driving impaired.

2) Its ok to use deadly force to keep your car from getting dinged.

Is that correct?


45 posted on 08/13/2008 9:51:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: driftdiver
thats why I said ‘charged’ and not convicted. he’s admitted to shooting the woman and boy so thats not in question. The only question is his justification. IMO a cop sitting in a car who is involved in a slow speed accident should not be opening fire. Note, he already had his gun out before she side swiped his car.

Your opinion is based on what? The evidence? Wait, it can't be that because you haven't seen any evidence.

yep, sometimes its due to fabricated police reports.

Uh huh. Yeah, that is soooo common. Oh Noes! The eeviilll Police iz outz to getz you!! Run for your lives.

I wouldn’t brandish a firearm or open fire as long as it was only my car at risk.

Are you willing to take the chance that it is only your car at risk?

In other reports he admitted to pulling his gun. Also, she was on the phone with the 911 operator telling them he had a gun, before he opened fire. Its all public record.

Again, 3rd party "reports" of what occurred are not evidence. Unless you are in a position to examine all the evidence, you are not in a position to make a judgment.

Why are you speaking in this forum? Are you a cop who’s offeded that sheeple dare to question the actions of a publc servant?

Now you want to question why I would dare speak on this forum? Perhaps that tyrannical monster that you are so afraid of is closer than you think. Try looking in the mirror.

46 posted on 08/13/2008 9:51:26 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Ford4000
The truth stings, doesn’t it? If you think this cop hasn’t been coached you are dreaming. Unless he has non LEO witnesses or forensic evidence to support his story I wouldn’t believe a word of it. Apparently the DA agrees with me. No, your tin foil hat conspiracies scare me. There is nothing "truthful" about them.
47 posted on 08/13/2008 9:52:22 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Sandreckoner
Negative Sandreckoner,

She did not try to run him down. Stick with the facts. When he displayed his gun(brandished?) she being a female and not very good at backing up(and possible intoxication) "sideswiped" his car, and He shot his gun 5 times through his closed window and into her car.

I live close to this site and it all took place within one city block.

48 posted on 08/13/2008 9:52:40 AM PDT by BoneHead
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To: driftdiver
To summarize your points:
1) Its ok to use deadly force on someone an officer thinks is driving impaired.
2) Its ok to use deadly force to keep your car from getting dinged.
Is that correct?

Nice strawman. Too bad you are not even remotely close. (Hint: For a strawman to be effective, you need to at least get into the ball-park. Nice try though.)

49 posted on 08/13/2008 9:53:30 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: BoneHead
She did not try to run him down. Stick with the facts. When he displayed his gun(brandished?) she being a female and not very good at backing up(and possible intoxication) "sideswiped" his car, and He shot his gun 5 times through his closed window and into her car. I live close to this site and it all took place within one city block.

And were you there at the time of the incident? Did you see it?

My my, how many witnesses do we have here on this forum!

50 posted on 08/13/2008 9:54:27 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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