Judge Says University Can Deny Course Credit to Christian Graduates Taught With Creationism Texts

Fox News ^ | August 13, 2008

[bert]

It would seem the students were indoctrinated rather than educated.

If uneligable for state college, they can continue the indoctrination at Bob Jones.

[jalisco555]

Evolution requires three things: random mutations, natural selection and time. How does this text deal with these issues, i.e. whether or not random mutations occur, whether or not natural selection occurs and the age of the earth? Really, I’m curious.

[Sopater]

I have spent many hours struggling over picking science texts.

Thank you for your post. You show some excellent insight and a genuine concern for teaching your children the truth. I also use Bob Jones' Biology curriculum.

[Marie2]

When taught creation, the kids are also taught what evolution is, although they are shown the flaws.

When taught evolution, the kids are not exposed to creation science at all.

It seems to me the indoctrination is on the evolution side.

[Sopater]

How does this text deal with these issues...



Buy the textbook and you can find out. ;-)

[Citizen Blade]

Is the school subsidized by the people of California? Did this kid’s parents pay for that college? If so, they’re getting taxed without representation.

How so? No one has taken away their right to vote.

[allmendream]

What physical means of Biological evolution were ever observed or predicted to confer supernatural or God-like powers?

The goal of Mormonism and some other religions may well be the “god-man”. The goal of Evolution is to understand the changes that have taken place and continue to take place in living systems.

[weegee]

Modern science denies any validity of religion (apart from a psycholocial impact). Antheism is atheist supremacist ideology, support the justification for it as you see fit.

To require that all students deny any hand of God in the creation of the universe is to beg the question, if God didn't do it, what alternate theory for God's existence do they support? They are certain God played no role and consider it heresy to think otherwise. Asking them to "explain God" is a rhetorical task and points out the weak arguments they leave as options for those who "cling to God" but accept that God played no role in the creation of the world.

No where am I making the claim that the Earth is 6,000 years old and not billions. Nowhere am I saying that it is not possible for life to evolve.

The only dead certain argument on this thread is that "God didn't play a part".

[weegee]

And when students are required to parrot the myth of man-made global change and that same sex relations as morally equivalent to those of opposite gender?

[js1138]

The only dead certain argument on this thread is that "God didn't play a part".

Nonsense. The only assumption made by science is that that phenomena are not capricious.

[jalisco555]

LOL, my “to be read before you die” list is longer than my lifetime as it is. If you could point me to a summary I’d appreciate it. For me, the weight of evidence supporting the validity of evolution is enormous and growing steadily. I’m curious to see how a biology course deals with that evidence.

[weegee]

If species die because of natural selection who are we to protect certain “endangered species”? It goes against nature.

[Sopater]

When taught evolution, the kids are not exposed to creation science at all.

I went to a Catholic high school, graduated with a B.S. from a state university in electrical biomedical engineering, and never even knew that there was a debate between evolutionism and creationism.

I do know that I was sorely disappointed with with the evidence that we were presented with that was supposed to support the ToE, but I didn't know that there was any other theory. I figured they were just not giving us enough information to fill in the obvious immense gaps.

[NonValueAdded]

OTOH, if the students are home / private schooled, then why attend the University OF California? Stay private. And in terms of not teaching critical thinking / alternate viewpoints ... bwahahahahahahaha

pot kettle black

[wintertime]

When a HS graduate gives a commencement speech that mentions Jesus, the state is establishing a religion and the students right to free speech and expression of religion must be denied.

Government schools can **not** uphold all clauses of the First Amendment simultaneously. It is impossible!

* If government allows free speech it violates establishment of religion, because students **will** talk about their religion with the other captive students.

If it tries not to establish religion, it inadvertently establishes atheism, and also shuts down free speech, free press, free assembly, and free expression of religion. Government also teaches the students that religion is irrelevant, unnecessary, and something so shameful we must be silent about it. This isn't religiously neutral.

When a state college decrees there is no god, the state is not establishing a religion. Something ain’t right there.

Something isn't right. What isn't right is the complete and utter conflict government schooling has with fulfilling all the clauses of the First Amendment simultaneously. This is impossible.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing government education.

[weegee]

Creationism as a concept of God creating the universe and all that is within it was the topic. Not how the world progressed from “big bang” to the “evolution of life”.

[444Flyer]

“Here’s what I think. Let the states have their schools and let them pay for them.”

Hear! Hear!!!

And let the taxpayers have school choice and vouchers if the states continue on their current course.

[allmendream]

Seeings as how most Scientists in the USA are people of faith (such as myself); most of us do think God not only played a part, he produced and wrote the entire play.

That being said, there is no way a Scientist can measure or predict God; and as such God will always be beyond Scientific analysis; as HE said HE would be.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

[Coyoteman]

When taught evolution, the kids are not exposed to creation science at all.

That is because creation "science" is religious apologetics, and has nothing to do with real science other than stealing the name in a vain attempt to acquire some of its legitimacy.

[tacticalogic]

* If government allows free speech it violates establishment of religion, because students **will** talk about their religion with the other captive students.

Please describe how students discussing their relious beliefs constitutes an "establishment of religion" in violation of the Constitution.