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How Does Wesley Clark Rate as Potential VP? (Barf Alert)
411 Mania ^ | August 15, 2008 | Brandon Crow

Posted on 08/15/2008 2:53:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Because the Obama camp has announced the theme for Wednesday night will be "securing America's future," and that the VP nominee will speak on that night, many have openly pondered about the VP being General Wesley Clark. How would Clark rate as the VP nominee?

A few days ago, I posted a column on the Obama campaign's choice to thematically tie the Vice Presidential nominee to their Wednesday night agenda on national security and foreign affairs. Obama's people have titled Wednesday night as "Securing America's Future." Coincidentally, or perhaps not, this slogan also happens to be the mantra of WesPac, the political action organization of General Wesley Clark.

Due to this parallelism, many pundits, folks in the main stream media, and even readers here at the politics zone have begun to speculate heavily that Obama's VP choice is in fact Wesley Clark.

At this point, all of this buzz on Clark is nothing but conjecture. However, if it turns out to be true, then I would be okay with the selection. My personal preference, at this stage of the game, would still be Joe Biden, as I feel he is the best choice. However, Clark would make a good selection and a solid VP as well.

In 2004, when John Kerry won nomination, I thought a Kerry/Clark ticket would pack a punch, especially when you look at two Democrats with military service and war-time experience going up against the absolute chicken-hawk ticket of Bush/Cheney. But then Kerry chose John Edwards. I wanted Edwards to win nomination, and would have enjoyed an Edwards/Clark ticket as well. Either way, I thought, of the crop that the Democrats produced for '04, Clark would surely be a top player.

If Clark is indeed Obama's pick to be VP, it isn't a guaranteed success. Clark has some advantages and he has some disadvantages. His advantages are indeed impressive. Consider for a moment the reality that our nation is indeed at war. Set aside the fact that we were basically lied into this war; we are currently engaged in warfare. Clark would bring a wealthy military resme. He graduated from West Point; he served as Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO; he was operations commander in Kosovo; as well, he served as the Director of Strategic Plans and Policies under the Joint Chiefs of Staff. All in all, Clark has nearly 35 years of military service and experience. The man retired as a four-star general. There isn't really any way to knock this kind of history and credentials.

Another advantage would be the fact that the man is straight out smart. He didn't need daddy or daddy's connections to get him into institutions of higher learning. Not only did he gain entrance and flourish academically on his own, Clark was also a Rhodes Scholar—crème de la crème—in terms of academic achievement and accomplishment. Additionally, Clark has become a self made man after his military retirement. He rose from near obscurity to national prominence with his unlikely run for president in 2004. This time around, he would bring that name recognition with him to a possible Obama/Clark ticket. Clark has also stayed current and involved with national politics. Though not directly through elected office, the man has WesPac going, campaigns and helps raise money for candidates, and is currently a political analyst for MSNBC.

And really, who can forget, just a mere two months ago when Clark came out and challenged John McCain and the Republicans for their supposed argument that McCain's military background makes him much better suited to be president during this time of war. In case you missed it, Clark, with one simple line, completely neutered (not demeaned, mind you) McCain's POW experience as a qualification to lead, by saying, "I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president." The best part of this, Clark has the strength and conviction to stand by his words and not back down to the Republican bullying tactics.

Two more advantages: Clark is a well-known Clinton supporter, and putting him on the ticket could potentially sooth over the still-existing ill will on the part of some of the staunchest Clinton supporters. Clark is also from Arkansas and is a southerner through and through. He could help Obama siphon off some of that southern, white vote. Could he turn Arkansas for Obama? At best, maybe.

As surely as there are advantages to Wesley Clark, there are also some negatives that must be weighed. For instance, one knock on Obama is the fact that he has little to no governing/Washington experience. Clark would only amplify that image. Republicans will go rabid in pointing out that the Democratic ticket has only four or five years of national experience combined. This may not work well in the breadbasket of America.

Another disadvantage to Clark is that he's simply not very good on the campaign trail. He did not garner much excitement in 2004 (outside of the draft Wes Clark groupies), and doesn't seem to come off too well on the stump. Now, this may not be too big a deal considering Obama's got enough charisma for his entire administration, but when Clark campaigns on his own for Obama, it would be rather dull. Along with this is the fact that though Clark is a southerner, he didn't seem to have too much southern appeal. In 2004, he won Oklahoma, and that was it. He never placed higher than third in any of the other southern states.

Clark is also associated with military/foreign policy issues. Though these are important, come election time, I have a feeling that it will be domestic issues, like the sagging economy, the ballooning mortgage crisis, and the high inflation rate on many household necessities like gas, essential groceries (anyone check the price on a gallon of milk or even an ear of corn lately?) and utilities that will likely dominate the political sensibilities of the American voters. In this regard, Clark would not be bring much heft to the ticket.

What I'm about to say won't sit well with the Clark supporters, but I believe, in the end, picking Clark for VP, in the current climate, would probably end up being more of a neutral, if not possibly adverse move than being helpful. And though I think he could make a good running mate and a good VP overall, I just don't see Obama doing so. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say, even now, given all the names we know won't be the VP pick, Clark's at maybe a 3; 4 tops.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; US: Arkansas; US: Colorado; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008veep; butcherbelgrade; democrats; election; electionpresident; elections; mccain; obama; soetoro; warcriminal; weasleyclark; wesleyclark
We should be so lucky.
1 posted on 08/15/2008 2:53:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please! Speaking as a Republican, I say, PLEASE pick Wesley!


2 posted on 08/15/2008 2:55:30 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another slimy little prince among princes of the Dem/Lib persuasion. It’s interesting that Bill ‘disgraceful ex-president’ Clinton is his hook and benefactor.


3 posted on 08/15/2008 2:55:48 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you think of the candidate field the Democrats have, the mind goes numb.


4 posted on 08/15/2008 2:56:26 PM PDT by bcsco (Obama: SPINciple in chief!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wesley Clark Admits Targeting Civilians In Yugoslavia
Democracy Now ^ | 2004-01-26 | JEREMY SCAHILL

Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 3:56:38 PM by DTA

Monday, January 26th, 2004 Democracy Now! Exclusive:

Wesley Clark Admits Targeting Civilians In Yugoslavia

In a Democracy Now! exclusive, General Wesley Clark responds for the first time to in-depth questions about his targeting of civilian infrastructure in Yugoslavia, his bombing of Radio Television Serbia, the use of cluster bombs and depleted uranium, the speeding-up of the cockpit video of a bombing of a passenger train to make it appear as though it was an accident and other decisions he made and orders he gave as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander.

Since the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia, General Wesley Clark has not answered any in-depth questions about his targeting of civilian infrastructure in Yugoslavia, his bombing of Radio Television Serbia, the use of cluster bombs and depleted uranium, the speeding-up of the cockpit video of a bombing of a passenger train to make it appear as though it was an accident and other decisions he made and orders he gave as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander.

With the New Hampshire primary just 24 hours away, the remaining Democratic candidates are in their final push to win votes in the key poll in the Granite state. Whether or not Howard Dean wins or loses, he set the tone very early for what has become a definitive issue in the race early on: opposition to the war in Iraq. Among the Democrats, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton and Carol Moseley Braun held the most clear antiwar stances. But Braun has pulled out of the race, Al Sharpton is not in New Hampshire and Dennis Kucinich - well the media hardly gives him any airtime.

With the exception of Senator Joseph Lieberman, all of the candidates have sought to portray themselves as opponents of the war. But only Kucinich has announced a concrete plan for withdrawing US forces from Iraq. The theme of Iraq is the main issue on which General Wesley Clark is running his campaign.

Gen. Wesley Clark, speaking at a rally in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on January 24, 2004.

[this is an exceprt] Read the whole thing here:

Wesley Clark Admits Targeting Civilians In Yugoslavia
Democracy Now ^ | 2004-01-26 | JEREMY SCAHILL

5 posted on 08/15/2008 2:56:33 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

DU’ers love W. Clark!


6 posted on 08/15/2008 2:57:14 PM PDT by blondee123 (NO-BAMA for President in 2008!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“How Does Wesley Clark Rate as Potential VP? (Barf Alert)”

For which candidate?


7 posted on 08/15/2008 2:58:25 PM PDT by Grunthor (Dems want to destroy America, Republicans just want to be Dems.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think it’ll be Clark.


8 posted on 08/15/2008 2:58:34 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: blondee123

This assclown liberal stooge is just that. A bird of the liberal feather.


9 posted on 08/15/2008 2:58:44 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A little better than Kerry. But that isn’t saying much, is it?


10 posted on 08/15/2008 2:59:28 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: pogo101

I don’t think husseim is that dumb.


11 posted on 08/15/2008 2:59:57 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’s Clark’s current status? In or under the bus? I thought it was under.


12 posted on 08/15/2008 3:00:14 PM PDT by Shermy (Lolo Soetoro Was A "Nominal Muslim" Who Enjoyed Bacon - stupid and insulting in one, typical Obama)
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To: ryan71
I think it’ll be Clark.

Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please.

13 posted on 08/15/2008 3:02:44 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
securing America's future..."

...from 25,000 feet up.

14 posted on 08/15/2008 3:07:05 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is America's George Galloway?)
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To: pogo101

“Please! Speaking as a Republican, I say, PLEASE pick Wesley!”

A couple weeks ago when Obama said he was going to choose someone who would “make American’s feel safe” it made me think he would most likely pick Wesley Clark. Now on another thread there is talk he would pick John Kerry for the same reason. Would love to see either one as it would ensure a McCain win in November!


15 posted on 08/15/2008 3:09:05 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: Shermy

What’s Clark’s current status? In or under the bus? I thought it was under.

**He was under but I think he weaseled out and now he’s on the curb and waiting on “The One.”


16 posted on 08/15/2008 3:12:41 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, for Obama. I thought they were talking about McCain. /s


17 posted on 08/15/2008 3:14:11 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: The Shrew

Ping.


18 posted on 08/15/2008 3:17:25 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He would be a perfect pick to be Janet Rino’s running mate, since he was the tank supplier in WACO!


19 posted on 08/15/2008 3:20:23 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looking over the Dem schedule, pretty much every heavy hitter has been scheduled to speak except Clark. Not that it means anything necessarily, but Richardson, Kaine, Sebelius, Bayh and Biden all have slots.


20 posted on 08/15/2008 3:23:50 PM PDT by MeanMachine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think that when it comes to Clark vs Kerry for a VP choice, Obama would most likely go with Clark, if for no other reason that Clark is still a relatively unknown quantity, while Kerry is known coast to coast as a pathetic liar and horse’s ass who already LOST a general election due to his inept campaigning and his failure to release his military records as he promised to do.

No, Obama isn’t going to go with Kerry, he’ll promise Kerry something like Secretary of State, but as much as we generally hold Wesley Clark in contempt, there is no denying that he did serve *honorably* in Vietnam (as opposed to Kerry), he was wounded in combat but continued to lead his troops, and he was awarded the Silver Star. His personal courage under fire is, as I see it, pretty solid.

That doesn’t mean that he gets a pass on his behavior in the Balkans, nor does it mean he shouldn’t have to explain his actions as they relate to the carnage that occurred at Waco Texas.

Wesley Clark is not a stupid man, far from it. And for those late tuning in, he not only speaks Russian fluently, but he is descended from solid and verifiable Jewish stock. He could do for Obama what quite frankly, Dick Cheney did for George W. Bush in 2000. Cheney has gravitas, so too does Clark, whether we like it or not.


21 posted on 08/15/2008 3:24:58 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I always thought of W. Clark as the Clintons’ boy. Wasn't he considered VP for Hillary?
22 posted on 08/15/2008 3:27:43 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: ryan71

It’ll be Clinton. To unite the party, but ObamaNation better get a food taster!


23 posted on 08/15/2008 3:31:29 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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He would be a great choice for Obama.
24 posted on 08/15/2008 3:32:10 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A vapid shadow of a General Officer. I knew a couple of the great ones, and believe me, he “ain’t” one of them.

Chesty Puller, whom I didn’t know, would have eaten him for breakfast, ditto George Patton.


25 posted on 08/15/2008 3:48:35 PM PDT by billhilly (I was republican when republican wasn't cool. (With an apology to Barbara Mandrell.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Depends! Would he live in a mental institution like he should be confined to????? If so, I’m sure he’d make Hussein smarter by a third!


26 posted on 08/15/2008 3:50:22 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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for us? or for them??? i say bring him on!!!
27 posted on 08/15/2008 4:31:47 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What an excellent choice. If anything would convince to vote for Obama it would certainly be the choice of good old Wesley as VP. /sarcasm off


28 posted on 08/15/2008 4:52:36 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: dr_who

He’s more qualified than Barack. But that isn’t saying much, is it?


29 posted on 08/15/2008 4:52:54 PM PDT by proudpapa (McCain '08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Albanians and Kosovars will vote for that ticket.


30 posted on 08/15/2008 5:45:45 PM PDT by omega4179 (B.Hussein Keep the change!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Weasley Clark will be HILLARY’S VP.


31 posted on 08/15/2008 7:46:39 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agree Weasel Cluck can be dissected in a shake ! Such a move by the rats would be worse for em than picking Obama IMO.


32 posted on 08/15/2008 8:04:53 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: proudpapa

Sho’ ain’t.


33 posted on 08/15/2008 8:26:01 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Clarke is one of those on the national scene thatI dislike intensely.

I think he got where he did by kissing up, to put it politely.

He was dismissed early from his post as head of NATO.

34 posted on 08/15/2008 8:26:47 PM PDT by happygrl
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35 posted on 08/15/2008 8:29:22 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Grunthor

When Wesley Clark betrayed Hillary Clinton he lost what ever chance he had for the VP slot. Then when he denounced McCain it killed any political career he might have had. He’s done.


36 posted on 08/15/2008 9:21:20 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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