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Push for UN vote on Georgia truce by week's end (can US "Diplomats" get anymore pathetic?)
afp ^ | 8/15/2008 | afp

Posted on 08/15/2008 6:17:16 PM PDT by tobyhill

Sponsors of a UN Security Council resolution to formalize the ceasefire deal between Russia and Georgia pushed for a vote by week's end, but Moscow balked at inserting any reference to Georgia's territorial integrity.

"Yes ideally, we would like a vote this weekend," a Western diplomat close to the bargaining involving European, US and Russian diplomats told AFP Friday.

"But we'll take as long as it takes. We are not going to push for a vote if we know that the Russians will veto the text -- which does not mean we have to give in to all their demands... There has to be hard bargaining," said the diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity."

Other diplomats said the 15-member Council was expected to hold new consultations Sunday on a new draft meant to formalize the French-brokered agreement reached by Moscow and Tbilisi to end fighting for control of the breakaway Georgian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

(Excerpt) Read more at afp.google.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ceasefire; geopolitics; georgia; ossitia; un

1 posted on 08/15/2008 6:17:16 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Seems to me the whole point of going to the UN would be PRECISELY to force Russia to veto a truce resolution. The diplomats are forgetting that their purpose is not to make agreements, it’s to represent their various country’s interests.

I don’t think it’s in the interest of the free world to have any kind of UN-mandated Georgian surrender to Russia.


2 posted on 08/15/2008 6:22:12 PM PDT by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com)
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To: tobyhill

“We are not going to push for a vote if we know that the Russians will veto the text”

Ann Coulter’s ‘Treason’ explains one problem with the UN— founded by Soviet spy, Algar Hiss. Eric Waldheim, one of the leaders, was exposed as a Nazi and received a pension— a known nazi— after he left. Then there was ‘food-for-oil’ scandal Kofi Annon. UN officials once looted a cafeteria. Stranger than fiction.


3 posted on 08/15/2008 6:22:47 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("The internet needs a gatekeeper," The Cackling Comeback Witch aka Hillary Rod-ham [Clinton])
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To: tobyhill
At this moment it is not pathetic...sadly, it is realistic.

The Russians hold all the cards militariily and it has only been, IMHO, the couragous actions of the Presidents of Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, and Lithuania, and the strong talk and actions of president Bush using the US military for humanitarian efforts that slowed and then stopped the Russian juggernaught.

Bush has learned too late to prevent this crisis from happening, but perhaps in time to quell it, what a fool Putin took him for.

Sadly, Clintons foolish actions in Kosovo, and then Bush's equally foolish recognition of Kosovo have probably paved the way for the detaching of both provinces from Georgia, leaving her teribly open to aggression by the Russians.

We have to first stop the current onslaught and then rearm Georgia, admit her (and the Ukraine) into NATO, and then provide NATO or US bases there as a trip against further Russian ambitions.

I believe we can do that and should do that. I hope and pray we will do that...the Georgians, their quest for freedom, and their loayalty to us deserve it.

4 posted on 08/15/2008 6:23:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: tobyhill

I am so tired of wasting time and money on this useless organization of thieves and kleptocrats.


5 posted on 08/15/2008 6:24:06 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
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To: tobyhill

I am so tired of wasting time and money on this useless organization of thieves and kleptocrats.


6 posted on 08/15/2008 6:24:06 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
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To: tobyhill
can US "Diplomats" get anymore pathetic?

Probably not. Then again, this is a story from Agence France-Presse.

7 posted on 08/15/2008 6:26:53 PM PDT by wysiwyg (What parts of “right of the people” and “shall not be infringed” do you not understand?)
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To: tobyhill

Is AFP an AP article? I saw that Russia had siezed a large supply of US weapons in Georgia, but don’t know if I can post an “AFP” article.

Here is the link.
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20080815%5cACQDJON200808150606DOWJONESDJONLINE000377.htm&&mypage=newsheadlines&title=Russia%20Seizes%20Arsenal%20Of%20US%20Weapons%20In%20Georgia%20-%20Military

Thank you


8 posted on 08/15/2008 6:27:10 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: tobyhill
“Push for UN vote on Georgia truce by week's end (can US “Diplomats” get anymore pathetic?)”

These people are a freaking embarrassment. With all our wealth and military power, this is the very best we can do?? Your not serious?

9 posted on 08/15/2008 6:27:59 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
If they aren't going to do anything they know Russia will veto then Russia might as well demand world domination.
Rice has been the biggest let down of all this administration's promises.
10 posted on 08/15/2008 6:28:18 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill

“If they aren’t going to do anything they know Russia will veto then Russia might as well demand world domination.”

That bears repeating about 100 times.

We aren’t going to do anything Russia doesn’t like. Well Hells Bells, who is running this world anyway?


11 posted on 08/15/2008 6:30:07 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine
President Bush should have fired Condi Rice and the worthless State Dept bums a long time ago.
12 posted on 08/15/2008 6:35:44 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: Bahbah
Are you referring to the UN or the Democrats? ;)
13 posted on 08/15/2008 6:41:30 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: Jeff Head
The Russians hold all the cards ...

Yours may be the silliest comment I've ever read. All the Russians have are huge numbers of tanks, jets, soldiers and warships. Europe has hundreds of diplomats, each with years of practical experience at expressing their strong disapproval and drafting increasingly firm warnings. I am confident that the UN will meet all of our expectations in this crisis; after all, this precise situation is why we created the UN in the first place.

14 posted on 08/15/2008 6:43:40 PM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: Jeff Head
The Russians hold all the cards militariily ........

Russia is flush with oil and oil money. Europe gets a large percent of their oil and gas from Russia and the mid-east (incl Iran). We here in the US import upwards of 70% of our oil.

We can't get into any major conflicts with the possibility of our oil supply being cut off. And Nancy Pelosi wants to release oil from our reserve to lower fuel costs.

If we don't get our own oil/energy supplies on-line, we may just get run over.

15 posted on 08/15/2008 6:50:04 PM PDT by umgud
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To: RogerD
If the UN writes this nasty letter to the Russians in all caps I'm sure they'll veto it.
16 posted on 08/15/2008 6:50:50 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: Michael.SF.
Are you referring to the UN or the Democrats

Both but the horrid thing is that there are plenty of Republicans in that group.

17 posted on 08/15/2008 6:52:22 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
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To: umgud
***There has to be hard bargaining,” said the diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity.”***

These diplomats are such hard bargainers that they don't even give their names in fear they'll be accused of being too tough on Russia.

18 posted on 08/15/2008 6:56:49 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill
If the UN writes this nasty letter to the Russians in all caps I'm sure they'll veto it.

Not to worry. That's why we have professionals in the UN. They may need a couple of years in a Swiss resort, but they'll eventually find wording acceptable to the Russians. Patience is a virtue. Or are you one of those pessimists who thinks the symbolic value of the reprimand won't matter after the Russians achieve their goals through force? [Who, me? Sarcastic?]

19 posted on 08/15/2008 6:57:05 PM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: Bahbah

Why?!!
Why are we still tolerating and paying for the UN????


20 posted on 08/15/2008 7:54:25 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: RogerD

Brilliant! LOL! YOU write sooo well!

satire is very difficult to write!


21 posted on 08/15/2008 7:55:49 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: tobyhill

By the time its watered down, it will be the most worthless document ever written. Even more worthless than a sanction against Saddam Hussein or a condemnation of Israel. That worthless.


22 posted on 08/15/2008 7:56:26 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: umgud

Pelosi has blood on her hands with what happened in Georgia!

that selfish witch and her ego ambition ...all about her. Now she has investments in Boone’s wind folly!


23 posted on 08/15/2008 7:57:15 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: RogerD
hhehehe...I almost forgot that. They will barrage them with words and surely that will stop the tanks.
24 posted on 08/15/2008 7:58:08 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: tobyhill
"But we'll take as long as it takes. We are not going to push for a vote if we know that the Russians will veto the text -- which does not mean we have to give in to all their demands... There has to be hard bargaining," said the diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity."

Hmm. Will someone be "jumping" from the UN building this weekend?

25 posted on 08/15/2008 7:59:05 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: tobyhill
The word applies more to the current leadership in the Whitehorse. No back bone.

"We can do business with this man", wasn't that what jorge said about putin.

26 posted on 08/15/2008 8:23:55 PM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: Jeff Head
No NATO expansion. NATO is pretty much the US military with a few extra battalions.

Beside the US, who in NATO has a military that could fight a major war? And we want to commit ourselves to defending states landlocked in Eurasia against Russia? If Georgia was in NATO, we still could not have done anything. Most of the European Union would just have bailed.

We need to make the EU take a serious interest in its own defense. We can not patrol the world. No nation that has ever tried that ended well.

27 posted on 08/15/2008 8:46:32 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
The United Kingdon, Turkey, the Poles, the Czechs, and several others would be able to join with us and be strong members in providing security for Georgia in terms of basing.

If they decided to do so, Germany, Italy, and Spain could also. Of those, perhaps Italy and Germany would at this time.

I expect the Ukraine would too as soon as they were a member.

As to protecting Gerogia...1st of all it is not land locked. Second of all, it borders Turkey who has a vested interest in Russia not expanding to its own border and who has a strong military.

I believe Georgia and the Ukraine should become members of NATO and hope they do.

28 posted on 08/15/2008 8:54:32 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head; RogerD
I know it is fun to take unkind potshots at the diplomatic community, but where would we be without them?

Have any of YOU ever suffered a severe papercut, while delivering an overly stiff Note?

Ever withstood the pricks and stabs of over stuffed paperclips or bent staples?

What about strained muscles from carrying White Papers from office to meeting after meeting, to yet other offices?

Sprained wrists & carple tunnel from backslapping & handshaking for hours at a time?

Writer's cramp?

I thought not!

Diplomacy is a dangerous, thankless task, fraught with perils of which you know naught!

Those in the Diplomatic Corps recognize they who serve in front of the buffet lines, and in the trenchers of State Dinners, risking clogged arteries, cirrhosis of the liver, or that fate worse than death, laryngitis, have the most difficult, thankless role of all

They sometimes wish for the simple life of ease of a soldier at a forward fire-base...but then the dinner gong duty calls them back to Reality.

29 posted on 08/15/2008 9:14:17 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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