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Editorial: At the Saddleback Forum, Senator McCain and Pastor Warren took the Gold
Catholic Online ^ | 8/17/08 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 08/17/2008 6:42:59 AM PDT by tcg

Senator Barack Obama miserably failed the test concerning the foundational world view issue. Without the right to life, there are no other rights. Rights attach to persons and abortion kills little persons. Without the freedom to be born, there are no other freedoms. When Senator Obama was asked about the humanity of the child in the womb, he said that such a question was “above his pay grade”. Oh, he then blathered on about their being a “moral and ethical” dimension to the issue. However, he then stated unequivocally “I am pro-choice, I believe in Roe v Wade”. He mouthed something about reducing abortions but the utter clarity of the moment was the highlight of the evening. The pastor, this man of purpose, followed through with this question, ”Have you ever voted to limit abortions”? Barack Obama was, for the first time in my viewing, at a loss for words. Because the truth is now out there and he knew he could not lie about it.

Senator John McCain on the other hand, hit a home run in the eyes of people like me who insist that the issue of respecting the dignity of every human life from the womb to the tomb is not a “single issue” but rather a “World View” issue in Pastor Warren’s terminology. The same question was posed to him, “At what point is a baby entitled to human rights”. John McCain’s answer came without any hesitation. Obviously such an incredibly important answer was not above “his pay grade”. He said it with conviction, “From the moment of conception”. He continued on by affirming to the Pastor, to all those assembled and to the thousands watching, that he has a 25 year record of being Pro-life and that he will be a Pro-life President...

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The first winner of the Gold for the evening was Pastor Rick Warren who presided over the forum with excellence. Next was Senator John McCain for affirming the truth of that the Right to Life attaches “From the moment of conception”.
1 posted on 08/17/2008 6:43:00 AM PDT by tcg
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To: tcg

kool!


2 posted on 08/17/2008 6:44:28 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: tcg

Excellent job by McCain!

Obama been Lyin’

http://www.polistic.com


3 posted on 08/17/2008 6:49:53 AM PDT by nesnah (Expression with an attitude - www.polistic.com)
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To: tcg

Too bad there was little publicity about this program. I would liked to have watched.


4 posted on 08/17/2008 6:51:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

You can watch. The video is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2063235/posts


5 posted on 08/17/2008 6:55:17 AM PDT by library user
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To: tcg
he said that such a question was “above his pay grade”

Senator Obama - when you're the President, there IS NO ONE ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE. God this man is a scary little weasel.

6 posted on 08/17/2008 6:55:19 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: tcg

I’ve been surprised by how many people didn’t know that B.O. supported infanticide. This is not a new story.


7 posted on 08/17/2008 6:56:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("It's hard to be stressed out over your spouse while you're in a bathtub drinking wine together.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Say no more, my FRiend...

"I am pro-choice, I believe in Roe v Wade"

8 posted on 08/17/2008 6:58:57 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Matthew 7:15-16)
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To: Hardastarboard

I hope the RNC is working on a commercial containing the “above my pay grade” answer.


9 posted on 08/17/2008 6:59:03 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Go, Sonics! And take the Mariners with you.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Too bad there was little publicity about this program. I would liked to have watched.

You need to frequent Free Republic more often!
There was an announcement on Breaking News all day yesterday.
It's still up with over 2,000 posts and over 50,000 views.

If you go to CNN, you can catch all the video from the forum,
as well as some rich post-forum commentaries.

10 posted on 08/17/2008 6:59:25 AM PDT by XR7
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To: tcg
"but the utter clarity of the moment was the highlight of the evening. The pastor, this man of purpose, followed through with this question, ”Have you ever voted to limit abortions”? Barack Obama was, for the first time in my viewing, at a loss for words. Because the truth is now out there and he knew he could not lie about it."

So very well put.

11 posted on 08/17/2008 6:59:56 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Matthew 7:15-16)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Yeah. Its the Obama equivalent of “voted for it before I voted against it.”
12 posted on 08/17/2008 7:00:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: tcg
Finally, Pastor Warren asked them a question concerning which sitting Supreme Court Justices that would NOT have recommended for appointment. It was a brilliant way of eliciting the stark contrast in their Judicial philosophy when most honest observers know that the next President will appoint at least two new Justices and that these appointments will either secure the infamy of the Roe and Doe decisions, the current regime of abortion on demand, or undo the wrong. Senator McCain again took the gold.

I got to see the end of the re-run early this a.m. on Fox News and was very impressed with McCain. I agree that he did very well. I am disappointed that this article didn't say which SCJ's he wouldn't have recommended for appointment. I'd like to know who he named. If anyone saw the forum, please tell....

13 posted on 08/17/2008 7:01:26 AM PDT by right wing (The Drive-By Media Are Terrorists Too)
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To: tcg

Warren is going to fall fast because he is speaking at the DNC Denver Convention per another post here.

Warren’s softballs to obama and visible frustration at his missing them means he wanted “his man” to win in order to promote his chinese menu christianity.


14 posted on 08/17/2008 7:04:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Hardastarboard
Senator Obama - when you're the President, there IS NO ONE ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE

The job, of President, Obama is applying for, is above his pay grade

15 posted on 08/17/2008 7:05:12 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: right wing

Ginsberg, Souter, and one other...


16 posted on 08/17/2008 7:05:42 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Go, Sonics! And take the Mariners with you.)
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To: right wing

“”that this article didn’t say which SCJ’s he wouldn’t have recommended for appointment. I’d like to know who he named. If anyone saw the forum, please tell....””

McCain named all the liberals.
Obama hesitated a teensy bit and named Clarence Thomas.


17 posted on 08/17/2008 7:06:09 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: right wing

McCain listed all the lefties except Kennedy.


18 posted on 08/17/2008 7:08:01 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: longtermmemmory

The candidates were asked the same questions.

I know Rick Warren, and he didn’t look frustrated to me at all. He did have a “what the heck are you saying” look a few times, but that’s all I saw.


19 posted on 08/17/2008 7:08:17 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Go, Sonics! And take the Mariners with you.)
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To: ken21
Mr. Obama is a typical new-age secularist. I doubt very much that he really believes in God. The only reason he was a member of any church was to solidify his black identity.

He certainly doesn't believe in God as the Creator, Lawgiver, and Ruler of the Universe.

20 posted on 08/17/2008 7:08:44 AM PDT by reg45
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