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Russia 'strengthens occupation' despite claims of withdrawal
Times Online ^ | August 17, 2008 | Tony Halpin and David Byers

Posted on 08/17/2008 9:03:34 AM PDT by Schnucki

The Russian occupation of the Georgian city of Gori appeared to be more entrenched today, despite claims by President Medvedev that his troops were planning to withdraw.

As international pressure increased on Mr Medvedev to implement a French-brokered ceasefire pledge signed last week, the Kremlin declared today that Russian forces would start pulling back from the occupied territory tomorrow.

The ceasefire deal was meant to conclude a five-day war in which Russian forces launched an all-out assault against Georgia after stopping a Georgian army assault against Moscow-backed separatists in its autonomous region of South Ossetia.

Yet despite Mr Medvedev's claim that a withdrawal was imminent, evidence from the scene today in Gori seemed to indicate that forces would not be leaving soon.

The Times was told that, after destroying Georgian radio and television transmitters, Russian troops had now installed their own, meaning Gori residents can now only tune in to channels from Moscow.

In addition, Russian troops were seen bolstering their positions in the hills which surround Gori, including creating improved machine gun posts.

Troops continue to surround Gori with tanks, armoured personnel carriers and security forces. All Georgian police and law enforcement were said to still be banned by Russia from operating there.

Russia's continuing presence in the city is now causing huge anger and frustration within Georgia's military ranks, as Georgian troops have withdrawn from Gori to Tblisi, and - according to the terms of last week's ceasefire - are under strict instructions not to confront the Russian forces unless they attack the capital.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: agression; geopolitics; georgia; invasion; kgb; putin; russia; war
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1 posted on 08/17/2008 9:03:35 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki
Russia 'strengthens occupation' despite claims of withdrawal

Of course they are, that was the reason for the invasion in the first place. Putin intends to take back all the countries of the old Soviet Union, one at a time.

2 posted on 08/17/2008 9:06:23 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: Schnucki
Georgia needs to hold back. The Russians are there and trying to goad them. They need to hold while the US presence grows and international pressure increases.

Trying to dislodge the Russians now would only give them the pretect they desie to take the whole of th e country.

3 posted on 08/17/2008 9:15:51 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Dustbunny; All

Russia ‘strengthens occupation’ despite claims of withdrawal
Hey, they already violated one truce agreement - why stop there?


4 posted on 08/17/2008 9:31:26 AM PDT by wingsof liberty
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To: Jeff Head

Exactly.

Now that diplomacy has paused Putin...Georgia needs to simply build up its military... economic and political alliances, too.

Time is on the side of Georgia. Everyday that the Russian Army is paused is another day for Georgia to import more manpads to shoot down more Russian jets, later.


5 posted on 08/17/2008 9:34:21 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Jeff Head
after destroying Georgian radio and television transmitters, Russian troops had now installed their own, ...

Russian troops were seen bolstering their positions in the hills which surround Gori, including creating improved machine gun posts....

Troops continue to surround Gori with tanks, armoured personnel carriers and security forces.....


And then there's this from Russia, Russia: Georgia Plans "Provocative Act" in Gori. WOW, those Russians sure are subtle! (NOT) They are trying to get Georgian troops to react so they can massacre even more. Hmmmm.

It seems the Russian plan is to destroy a good chunk of Georgia's resources while they are still thinking about "honoring" the cease-fire.
6 posted on 08/17/2008 9:36:56 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Schnucki
Georgia Bears Blame In Latest Incident

"I was born and raised in Russia and now am an American citizen. And while..."

7 posted on 08/17/2008 9:43:39 AM PDT by H.Akston (It's all about property rights.)
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To: Jeff Head
Georgia needs to hold back. The Russians are there and trying to goad them.

Agreed.
And I hope you don't get slimed as an "apologist" for Putin
for taking this view.

I have been. Even though I'm VERY clear I'm in Georgia's corner.
But recognize Georgia's leader (sadly) fell for a trap set by The Bear.

Some people's memories of The Cold War have grown rusty.
Or they are just too young to understand Russia.
And that this current episode is a part of The Cold War.
Hopefully just a Last-Gasp POST-SCRIPT for the Russians,
in terms of forcefully seizing territory, G-d Willing!!!
8 posted on 08/17/2008 9:50:19 AM PDT by VOA
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To: H.Akston

Once a Russian,...always a Russian........


9 posted on 08/17/2008 9:51:56 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: Girlene

I saw Richard Holbrook being interviewed a few hours ago & he mentioned that he saw Russian soldiers wearing stolen Georgia uniforms in Gori yesterday.


10 posted on 08/17/2008 9:54:52 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Schnucki

Digging foxholes isn’t a sign of “leaving”.


11 posted on 08/17/2008 10:11:48 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: maquiladora

I wonder if the Russians will learn all about IED’s


12 posted on 08/17/2008 10:13:12 AM PDT by reefdiver (Had Enough? Drill 4 OIL)
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To: VOA

Or they were fools like me and actually thought the Cold War was over.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 10:18:10 AM PDT by autumnraine
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My wife of 5 years was born and raised in St. Petersburg. Luckily for her, she and her family managed to get out after the second bank/economic collapse of the late 90’s. This is her take on the whole situation. Yeltsin was a man for freedom and democracy, he had no intentions of quarrel with the west. He maintained a draw down of the military and at the same time strenghthen trade and cooperation with the west. Russia’s elite, and ruling intelligence czars saw him as a threat, but could not oust him, or “put him away” because he was very popular among younger Russians. Because of the corruption, and oligarchy that was being formed back stage by the former KGB and mafia, it made the Russian people weary of more democratic reforms. After Yeltsin left office and Putin became elected, Putin like any good tyrant started social reforms that engulfed and nationalized any successful state business and started to redistribute the wealth. (Remember the heads of the oil industries and other businesses being jailed?) next he started going after his enemies, mainly the Chechyans, successful politicians within Russia and wealthy independent business men. After this occurred, he started putting his former Intelligence (KGB) buddies in positions of power across Russia. Once he was able to solidify power, he started going after his enemies abroad and poisioning those that did not see eye to with him. Now that he has achieved that, his next goal is the former states of the Soviet Union that hold wealth and strategic value that make Russia more powerful, and solidify his political base, and the trust of the Russian people. Only thing standing in his way now are a few former Soviet states, Nato and the United States... Putin is a very dangerous man, hes calculating, cold, and heartless. He has transformed Russia in the past 7-8 years faster than any other nations head has been able to do, mainly from oil money. It is going to be interesting to see how this plays out, but one thing we can not do is show weakness. Putin is a martial arts expert, and avid chess player. He knows when and where to strike....


14 posted on 08/17/2008 10:30:36 AM PDT by 82ndABNOfficer
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To: autumnraine
Or they were fools like me and actually thought the Cold War was over.

autumnraine,
I'm only being straight with you.
And I know you have sent some heat my way in one of your previous posts.

But, with charity, I was simply pointing out Georgia's recent mis-step
in the LONG-TERM plan to stay free of the crushing influence of
"The Bear".

And if you thought "The Cold War" was really over, totally and
completely forever...well I guess you can put me in the same camp
as that "self-described rodeo clown" Glenn Beck.
Usually when Beck discusses matters Russian, there's a mention that
the Cold War was never really over.
It just went on a vacation.
And that now that Russia is flush with PetroDollars...
it's on the warpath again in a RECONQUISTA of their lost sphere
of influence.

You and I simply disagree on details and tactics for keeping
"The Bear" in it's cage and securing the Independence of the
former Soviet Socialistic Republics.
Especially in a world where the USA's assets are bound up in
Iraq, Afghanistan and (at last count) deploying miltary assets in
something like 160 countries.
And Georgia (and the USA) are dealing with a p-ssed-off country
like Russian that has plenty of nukes.
And G-wd knows what sort of bio/chem WMDs.
(as the USSR cheated on our treaty on things like anthrax, etc.)
15 posted on 08/17/2008 10:34:29 AM PDT by VOA
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To: maquiladora
I saw Richard Holbrook being interviewed a few hours ago & he mentioned that he saw Russian soldiers wearing stolen Georgia uniforms in Gori yesterday.

Oh, my. Did he indicate "why" he thought they were wearing their enemies' uniforms?
16 posted on 08/17/2008 10:43:45 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: autumnraine


Or they were fools like me and actually thought the Cold War was over.

P.S.:
autumnraine,
I don’t think you were foolish to have that thought.
Parties in the MSM, Democrats and even Republicans have tried to
convince us that the grasping power of The USSR couldn’t actually revive
in the shape of Russian power.

The REAL FOOLS were otherwise very smart folks like Francis
Fukuyama, that thought the “end” of The Cold War signalled the “end
of history” and that democracy had totally triumphed.
Forever more, amen! (/SARC!!!)

And all the folks in the MSM (and American politics) heralding
“The Peace Dividend” were also part of that “Amen Chorus”.

The current situation in Georgia shows these brainiacs couldn’t have
been more wrong.
It must come as a real second shock to these folks after being hit over
the head with the resurgence of the Islamic worldview after a long sleep
under the domination of Communism and the fall of Ottoman Empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man


17 posted on 08/17/2008 10:48:10 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Schnucki

Clearly the Georgians need to learn how to make IEDs and other booby traps. There is nothing wrong with making S. Ossetia and the other provences into another Afghanistan for them.

Collasping that tunnel to Russia would be a start.


18 posted on 08/17/2008 10:52:43 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Truthism Watch)
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To: maquiladora

hmmmm . . . i wonder if the provacatuer would be a Russian dressed in Georgian fatigues . . . why do i get the feeling this isn’t over


19 posted on 08/17/2008 10:53:56 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: VOA

Seeing how big Gori is from google earth, I’m really surprised the Georgians couldn’t have put up a bigger fight. Chechen militants managed to kill hundreds of Russian troops during both invasions of Grozny. During the first incursion into Grozny, Russian troops took a heavy beating from small squads of Chechen militants with anti-armor RPG’s. They would mostly hide in basements and high on top of buildings away from the arc of the BMP and t-72’s main weapons arc... A large city like that could have made the Russians pay dearly to take it....


20 posted on 08/17/2008 10:54:27 AM PDT by 82ndABNOfficer
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