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State science standards in election spotlight (ID/Creation Kansans need to vote!)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | August 1, 2008 | LORI YOUNT

Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.

A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.

Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.

In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.

This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; education; election; elections; evolution; intelligentdesign; kansas; schoolboard; scienceeducation; wrongforum
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To: tpanther
And again, it’s not the scientists that are the problem, it’s the fascist godless liberals who think they’ve somehow been appointed to be gatgekeepers of science.

Then quit bitching about Darwin.

781 posted on 08/22/2008 7:45:57 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: MrB

“...show me you can do the science AS I DEFINE SCIENCE”

there fixed it!


782 posted on 08/22/2008 7:46:33 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Of course, if your “science education” doesn’t have the approved “mark of the beast” you will not be allowed to “buy or sell”.


783 posted on 08/22/2008 7:50:22 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: js1138; metmom

Seriously, you need to get in touch with the Louisiana people, because you’ve demonstrated you can’t handle and/or understand input here.

Besides that, you’re not interested in science, that too has been adequately demonstrated.

Again, I would seriously consider anger-at-God management!


784 posted on 08/22/2008 7:52:52 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: ketsu

You’re using the exception to prove the rule. Do holy wars and religious genocide damage and smear religion?


No, but they may do serious irreparable damage to those that misunderstand it.

And how about Hitler and his wars, Stalin and his...pol pot...do their actions damage secularism/atheism?


785 posted on 08/22/2008 7:55:49 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: js1138

never-ending projections.


786 posted on 08/22/2008 7:58:37 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

you still haven’t explained why you need to drag law into science to enforce your definition of it.

not that you can or will, but perhaps you can explain why global warming junk science isn’t attacked and sued into silence with the same fervor?

hint: it’s got nothing to do with science!


787 posted on 08/22/2008 8:00:25 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Time and again,

the objections people put out front to justify their non-faith,

are just veneer excuses.

It really is a waste of time to address these front issues, it’s like shooting at decoys. As soon as you knock one down, they’ll put up another one and present it as the reason for their rejection of God.


788 posted on 08/22/2008 8:06:54 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: tpanther

You like to sit back and decide who is and isn’t a Christian, but it pisses you off to have someone tell you who is or isn’t a scientist?


789 posted on 08/22/2008 8:07:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Coyoteman; metmom; MrB; GodGunsGuts

You gotta be kidding me!

Stinking up the place like you have and you dare attack someone else? LOL

The lone female no less...like the ACLU sneaks that threaten legal action when no one is looking!

You prove that godless liberals “know” science like they know journalism, politics, history, law and so on.

That’s it. That’s the extent of your existence on this thread.

You have ZERO business or credibility in criticizing another person.

“Nobody, except your co-religionists, pays the least bit of credence to your opinions on matters of science, and for good reason.”

You can show us where ANYONE other than another godless liberal buys into a solitary thing YOU’ve said?

Man o man, godless liberal hypocrats...

Wet paper bag syndrome, endless projections...


790 posted on 08/22/2008 8:08:01 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: js1138; metmom

“unspecified entity having unspecified capabilitues and limitations, did some unspecified something at unspecified times and places using unspecified methods for unspecified reasons.”


misunderstanding only proves you misunderstand.

And then there’s your case, incapable of understanding COMBINED with the ever present unquestioned DEMAND to never ever understand with the audacity to criticize others for your own pathology.


791 posted on 08/22/2008 8:12:36 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: js1138

then there’s the very definition of failure: everything godless liberals touch!


792 posted on 08/22/2008 8:13:34 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: js1138

I haven’t mentioned credentials. I simply ask for a clear statement of how the accumulated evidence should be interpreted, and what Louisiana should be teaching, now that they have legal authorization.


and you’ve demonstrated time and again you have zero interest in science, rather you’re aware of that fact or not.


793 posted on 08/22/2008 8:15:42 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic

I don’t preesume to get to decide who is or isn’t Christian but God gives me the knowledge and ability and judgment to identify BOTH Christianity and science.

It’s easy to spot posers for both, and godless liberals manage to misunderstand not only Christianity and science but objective journalism, history, law, and so on.

Sane people are able to see how failed godless liberalism has been for this country and you needn’t be a Christian or scientist to see that!


794 posted on 08/22/2008 8:23:48 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic

Read much?

Try again, ALL along I’ve had no problem with the presentation of Darwinism, but only a fair presentation of all ideas.

My beef is with godless liberals suing Christians into silence and then pretending they’re objective about ANYTHING!


795 posted on 08/22/2008 8:26:26 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
I don’t preesume to get to decide who is or isn’t Christian but God gives me the knowledge and ability and judgment to identify BOTH Christianity and science.

And you submit implicitly that your judgement of both is infallable because it comes from God.

796 posted on 08/22/2008 8:28:33 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther
Try again, ALL along I’ve had no problem with the presentation of Darwinism, but only a fair presentation of all ideas.

So anybody with an "idea" gets equal time in science class. No evidence, no peer review, no problem. All ideas and theories are equal and deserve their fair share of the student's time and attention.

797 posted on 08/22/2008 8:32:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: trumandogz
What will Kansas high school graduates do when more of the top tier American universities refuse to accept students who have been been taught science based on Creationism?

So basically you have elimated any private or Jesuit High School, some of which are the best in the country, to attend college?

798 posted on 08/22/2008 8:36:09 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator

Jesuit education includes evolution, as Catholic doctrine accepts biological evolution as modern Science that is not in conflict with faith. This is one of the reasons why Jesuit education IS one of the best in the nation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_21_41/ai_n13592804/pg_2


799 posted on 08/22/2008 8:45:00 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: tacticalogic

Venturing into the category of the fallibilty of the reasoning of man, are we?


800 posted on 08/22/2008 8:58:26 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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