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College Daze: Instead of helping high school grads grow up, colleges prolong childhood
Forbes ^ | September 1, 2008 | Charles Murray

Posted on 08/18/2008 11:30:55 AM PDT by reaganaut1

College is not all it's cracked up to be. Dumbed-down courses, flaky majors and grade inflation have conspired to make the letters B.A. close to meaningless. But another problem with today's colleges is more insidious: They are no longer a good place for young people to make the transition from childhood to adulthood. Today's colleges are structured to prolong adolescence, not to midwife maturity.

Once upon a time college was a halfway house for practicing how to be a grown-up. Students couldn't count on the dean of students to make allowances for adolescent misbehavior. If they wanted to avoid getting kicked out, they had to weigh the potential consequences of their actions, just as in adult life. The student-teacher relationship was more distant and less nurturing than in high school, and more like the employee-supervisor relationship awaiting them after graduation. Students had to accept that they no longer got hugs for trying hard. If they didn't get the job done, they were flunked with as little ceremony as they would be fired by an employer.

This apprenticeship in adulthood has been gutted.

The light workload alone can make college today a joke. The most recent data say that students self-report only about 14 hours per week spent studying (the true figure is presumably lower). The definition of "weekend" has sprawled to the point that, as a Duke administrator put it, "We've run out of classroom space between 10 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. Tuesday through Thursday."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: academia; adulthood; charlesmurray; college; highereducation; learning; teaching
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Another recent essay by Murray, "For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time" , was discussed at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2061112/posts .

There have always been college students who are not serious about their studies. I wonder if there is evidence that the proportion of such students at 4-year residential colleges has increased.

1 posted on 08/18/2008 11:30:57 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

The best place to transition from childhood to adulthood is the US Military.


2 posted on 08/18/2008 11:32:27 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

or having a child.


3 posted on 08/18/2008 11:34:33 AM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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In many countries military service is mandatory. Discipline would fix many of us.

We are proud to have an all volunteer military force though.


4 posted on 08/18/2008 11:35:03 AM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: robomatik

We shouldn’t punish our kids with babies...(Sarc)


5 posted on 08/18/2008 11:36:12 AM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: reaganaut1

From the linked article:

“There’s no intellectual loss in delaying college.”

Maybe true for the arts or humanties. I can say from personal experience, however, that a couple of years off from higher math, chemistry, or physics (and probably language studies, too) leaves a lot of re-learning and refreshing to do when you do get back into it. Not to say that it can’t be done, though, and I suppose approaching these subjects with a fresh mind might even be helpful.


6 posted on 08/18/2008 11:38:41 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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And this pathetic trend probably started when the first lib professor uttered this in his classroom:

Don't call me Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson is my father. Just call me Bill."

7 posted on 08/18/2008 11:39:08 AM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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I could not agree more with the statement that title makes.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 11:39:38 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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There is also anecdotal evidence that a lot of college girls get into sex in college. Being away from home and away from supervision, there’s a tendency among some college students to go wild.

How quaint to talk about when college girls had housemothers in the dorms. Today, these resident life people do not act as chaperones or do anything to discourage these girls from spending nights with guys.

Certainly many young people are serious about college and approach it with the attitudes that they are learning and developing themselves for their futures. But the whole environment at college nowadays doesn’t encourage that as much as it should.

And you have to consider that some colleges, esp. religious ones, are more strict than others about rules of behavior for their students.


9 posted on 08/18/2008 11:41:36 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: taxcontrol

I’m doing ROTC in college... does that count?


10 posted on 08/18/2008 11:42:58 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: Flycatcher

Remember when many college professors were conservative? They wore tweed jackets with patches on the elbow area, and sometimes smoked a pipe, and they behaved with quite dignity?

That stereo type has gone the way of the dodo bird.


11 posted on 08/18/2008 11:43:28 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Congratulations - my nephew is going that route as well.

I would say Yes, that does count, but ONLY after you have been through basic [grin]

12 posted on 08/18/2008 11:44:25 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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"The definition of "weekend" has sprawled to the point that, as a Duke administrator put it, "We've run out of classroom space between 10 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. Tuesday through Thursday."

yeah, you know why? because that is when professor's want to teach their classes and request those times as well. classes are only as good as the people teaching them. i just got my master's degree and let me tell you: the teachers were great, but they liked their weekends just as much as we did.

13 posted on 08/18/2008 11:45:16 AM PDT by thefactor (contributing nothing of value to threads since 2001...)
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Looks like the Clinton presidency has a legacy, after all...


14 posted on 08/18/2008 11:46:59 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: reaganaut1

as societies grow more affluent they tend to extend childhood.

wealthy families have always done that.

also, it was a policy of the post-ww2 u.s. government to keep people out of the workforce, and college was one vehicle.


15 posted on 08/18/2008 11:48:00 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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College is a holding tank for many.


16 posted on 08/18/2008 11:49:25 AM PDT by Mamzelle (In the cool, dark quiet of my mailbox, John McCain asks me for money)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
There is also anecdotal evidence that a lot of college girls get into sex in college. Being away from home and away from supervision, there’s a tendency among some college students to go wild.

I'm shocked I tell you!!!!

[what about the boys?????]

17 posted on 08/18/2008 11:51:27 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda ( MUST SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc)
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To: reaganaut1
I blame indulgent parents for much of the delay in the transition to adulthood. I know several parents who have allowed their non-college-educated sons and daughters to continue to live at home well into their offsprings’ late 20’s and early 30’s. The “failure to launch” syndrome is commonplace among both the college-bound and those who work (or lay around their parents’ house) after high school.
18 posted on 08/18/2008 11:52:24 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: ken21

interesting


19 posted on 08/18/2008 11:52:30 AM PDT by Unlikely Hero ("Time is a wonderful teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its pupils." --Berlioz)
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To: taxcontrol

“The best place to transition from childhood to adulthood is the US Military.”

....I should have gone in after my freshman year...I would have been the better for it.


20 posted on 08/18/2008 11:53:06 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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