Posted on 08/27/2008 4:09:19 PM PDT by Soothesayer
BOISE, Idaho - A longtime sex offender was sentenced to death Wednesday for the 2005 kidnapping, torture and murder of a 9-year-old northern Idaho boy after federal jurors who watched video of some of the brutality deliberated just three hours.
The jurors' recommendation was binding on U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge, who thanked them, dismissed them and then sentenced Joseph Edward Duncan III.
Relatives of the victim, Dylan Groene, remained somber as the jury's decision was announced. Duncan murdered Dylan's mother, older brother and his mother's fiance to kidnap him and his younger sister, who was sexually abused along with her brother but survived.
"We're happy with the verdict, but it's a shame — this should have been limited to one death," said Steven Groene, the father of the children. "He should have had the courage and the guts to kill himself before killing anyone else."
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I would gladly assist you..how’s tonight look ?
It certainly hasn't always been against the death penalty.
Not if we arpaio him out (put him in general population, making sure that the other inmates see news coverage of the trial). End of problem.
“Joseph Edward Duncan III”
With a name like that, I’m surprised he isn’t in politics!
Don’t give up hope. There’s more Good in this world than Evil. If there wasn’t, we’d all be sunk.
Give yourself a “Media Break.” It’ll clear your head and restore your faith in humanity. I do it every few weeks. :)
That is a false conclusion on your part. I didn't state my position because I thought it would be obvious from the three attitudes I listed. The first was stoic, Buddhist, or Manichean. It is a rejection of life because all is evil and suffering. Is that your position? It sounds like it from your original comment. But perhaps you only gave vent to some momentary feeling of disgust at a brutal crime.
The second I called nature worship because it pursues beauty and cruelty together. That not only covers this criminal's behavior, but is a sort of warning to any simplistic attitude that claims it can pursue only the beauty of nature without at some point making a claim on cruelty as well. Nature is a beautiful and at the same time a very cruel mistress.
I think there is something brilliant in the Aristotelian point of view. Nature is not perfect. It is subject to decay, corruption, and death, but its source is from perfection. And it has the potential for perfection. Perfection is nature's goal or end. That is why life is not simply meaningless change or flux.
A person can embrace whichever attitude he finds most convincing. Life is a matter of free choice. That also comes with Aristotle. That is why people are responsible for there actions. But then a determinist would say there is no choice at all, and no one is responsible for their actions. It seems to me that this determinist idea goes along with nature worship.
If you are still unclear what my position is, let me state it explicitly. I am not a determinist. And no, I do not believe in Karma. I am not a Buddhist either. I stand on the side of Aristotle (and on the milder side of his teacher Plato.)
For a church without an official position, they seem quite opinionated about capital punishment. What's your idea of an official position? And, early Popes had a different view than modern ones.
Thanks for the reminder Anna. I just wish they would carry out the sentence within six months.
They should send Casey Anthony up there and make it a doubleheader.
What do you mean by “the Church?”
That is the crux of the issue. Only the Pope in concert with the college of Cardinals can speak infallibly, if my limited grasp of doctrine serves me well.
A bunch of Bishops is just that, a bunch of Bishops, whose pronouncements may or may not line up with Official doctrine.
This - individual - hunted (with night-vision goggles, this was long prepared) and murdered a family so he could get at its two most defenseless members, who he grossly abused, tortured, and one of whom he murdered. If there is an evil more pure than that I cannot imagine it.
This thing needs to depart the company of human beings as quickly as might be effected. No hatred, passion, torture, retribution, it simply needs to die. It, and we, will be better off.
Yes...until the next thing gets spawned. Rinse and repeat. No family is safe here on Concentration Camp Earth.
For every Jeffery Daumer, there are hundreds, nay, thousands, of compassionate, warm, normal human beings. Christian theologians have always had a hard time explaining the existence, often the seeming ascendancy of evil in the world, so I won't even try.
When I read a story like this it makes me think how much I love my grandson, how precious a gift he really is. Hug your children, your nephews and nieces, your grandchildren and say a pray for this poor family. A better Christian than me would implore you to say a prayer for the killer as well.
Whatever you do, do not give in the easy seduction of despair.
It is very true that even the greatest evils can be turned into something good by the power of God if a benevolent God truly exists. Unfortunately, I am an atheist and I do not believe in God. If this particular God (or God type) does not exist, then evil is nothing but absurdity. This is something that existentialist philosophers ( like Søren Kierkegaard, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Albert Camus) have tried to come to terms with but to no avail in my opinion. I think about God every moment of every day desperately trying to find a way to believe. Maybe someday I’ll get my wish but I currently have nothing but a fool’s hope and not much of that.
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