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EU 'Can't Accept' Serbia's World Court Move (France upset about Serbs want to keep Kosovo)
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Posted on 08/28/2008 11:03:44 AM PDT by kronos77

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1 posted on 08/28/2008 11:03:44 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/28/2008 11:04:51 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

What does the Kremlin have to say about this? Can you pop down the hall?


3 posted on 08/28/2008 11:07:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kronos77
If World court ruling has only moral weight, why this murderer is concerned about it?

He has no morals. And I am not using the qualification murderer lightly. In an interview, Kouchner admitted performing euthanasia on wounded in Indochina who were Bhudists. Bhudists do not approve of euthanasia. Kouchner's actions were homicide.

4 posted on 08/28/2008 11:09:22 AM PDT by DTA
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To: 1rudeboy

“What does the Kremlin have to say about this? “

S. Ossetia


5 posted on 08/28/2008 11:10:42 AM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: kronos77

“..Serbia has a right to seek a world court ruling on the legality of Kosovo’s independence..”

Sheesh, what world court? If there is one, it has already put on its kneepads in anticipation of Muslim demands.


6 posted on 08/28/2008 11:11:07 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: kronos77

Tell it to someone who cares. After you and your buds started spewing Putin propaganda on FR, I really don’t care any longer if you lose Kosovo or not.


7 posted on 08/28/2008 11:12:03 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: indcons

That’s good, because Chechnya doesn’t work.


8 posted on 08/28/2008 11:12:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dirtboy

Me, neither. They chose the wrong side. Tough luck.


9 posted on 08/28/2008 11:13:17 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DTA
In an interview, Kouchner admitted performing euthanasia on wounded in Indochina who were Bhudists.

What "wounded in Indochina"? Was he a medic in the French-Indochina War or something?

10 posted on 08/28/2008 11:15:50 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: kronos77

Kosovo has left Serbia for good. Deal with it.


11 posted on 08/28/2008 11:19:12 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: indcons
There was no such thing as a "South Ossetia" independence movement until Russia sent troops into South Ossetia.

There are about 65,000 Ossetians living in South Ossetia and 500,000 Ossetians living in North Ossetia - which is part of Russia.

Apparently the North Ossetians have absolutely no desire for independent nationhood at all - while the five or six villages of Ossetians living in Georgia went magically on fire for self-determination the moment Russian troops strolled in.

Riiiight.

12 posted on 08/28/2008 11:24:45 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: kronos77
The French Foreign Minister says Serbia has a right to seek a world court ruling on the legality of Kosovo’s independence but warned the EU would not fully accept it.

It is truly reassuring to know that the "validity" of the "World Court" is subject to acceptance (or rejection) by the remaining world nations.

Any nutcase group anywhere can set up a "World Court".

Bottom line, as always, is... how many military divisions does that court have?

13 posted on 08/28/2008 11:24:59 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: wideawake

Herr Hitler, is that you?


14 posted on 08/28/2008 11:26:49 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: wideawake

Look here - I am not supporting Putin’s actions in dismembering Georgia in the slightest. Russia must get out of Georgia and preserve Georgian territorial integrity as it existed before the invasion.

That being said, the USA and EU had no business creating a new muslim country out of Serbia either - I have always been against providing ammunition to the jihadists - be they in Europe/Russia/China/Israel/Lebanon/India/Phipplipines/elsewhere.


15 posted on 08/28/2008 11:29:47 AM PDT by indcons (People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news. - A. J. Liebling)
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To: kronos77
Herr Hitler, is that you?

Serbian nationalists like Milan Nedic and Chetnik leader Kosta Pecanac were close buddies of Adolf Hitler and would have been quite opposed to the loss of Kosovo from "Greater Serbia."

Hitler was also a fan of nationalists who enslave and attempt to liquidate ethnic minorities.

So your pro-Milosevic, Nedic-style views are the Hitlerian ones on this forum.

Nice attempt at redirection, but it failed, my Putin-fellating friend.

16 posted on 08/28/2008 11:34:27 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: dirtboy
Tell it to someone who cares. After you and your buds started spewing Putin propaganda on FR, I really don’t care any longer if you lose Kosovo or not.

What Putin propaganda specifically? I hope that you realize what you don't know about Kosovo can kill you --- and a lot of other people.

Sooner or later, Kosovo will have to be "put down", along with all other Taliban and alQaeda terrorist sponsor states...

17 posted on 08/28/2008 11:34:48 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: indcons
the USA and EU had no business creating a new muslim country out of Serbia

The choice was simple: sit back and watch the decade's second Balkan genocide, or split the two combatants up.

There's been a lot of whining and complaining since, but no new Srebrenicas.

If the Serbian regime had behaved decently in the first place, there would have been no need for intervention.

18 posted on 08/28/2008 11:40:48 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Publius6961
What Putin propaganda specifically?

They've been busy rationalizing what Russia has done. I used to be quite sympathetic to the Serbs. No longer. Apparently, what was done to them over Kosovo is A-OK when the same thing is done by Russia to Georgia, because it's their pimp daddy Russia doing the screwing.

19 posted on 08/28/2008 11:41:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Sympathetic?
No. All I said was:
“Russia is doing just a thing US did to Serbs”


20 posted on 08/28/2008 11:45:17 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

And you and your buddies have been parroting Russian propaganda that Georgia killed 2,000 South Ossetians, which is proven to be a big fat lie. Sorry, bub. Serbia can go suck eggs for all I care now.


21 posted on 08/28/2008 11:46:49 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: kronos77
Sympathetic? No. All I said was: “Russia is doing just a thing US did to Serbs”

Liar: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2062944/posts

You were all over yourself posting the Russian propaganda when this first broke. You act like we can't search back in the archives.

22 posted on 08/28/2008 11:49:54 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: wideawake

Ossetia has left Georgia for good. Deal with it.


23 posted on 08/28/2008 11:50:39 AM PDT by Diplomat
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To: indcons

It is like this.
For us, Serbs in our situation, US=Russia.
we are to choose between US-NATO made pile of anti-Serb cr*p, and pile of Russian-made anti-NATO cr*p.
Both piles stinks, and whatever you do you will get sick.


24 posted on 08/28/2008 11:51:38 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Diplomat
Ossetia has left Georgia for good. Deal with it.

I don't particularly care if South Ossetia leaves Georgia or not.

I'm just pointing out that its departure is not due to an actual grassroots independence movement, but to Russian military occupation.

Let's not kid ourselves.

The two million ethnic Albanian Kosovars wanted to leave Serbia and were energized to do so by the departure of Slovenia and Croatia and Macedonia and Bosnia and Montenegro - and figured that if Montenegro, which is basically ethnically Serb and one-third their population, could leave Serbia they certainly could. After all, Albanians were close to 20% of Serbia's population before Kosovo left.

Anyone who thinks that 65,000 South Ossetians - maybe 1.25% of Georgia's population - realistically wanted to make a go of it as a separate nation is smoking crack.

25 posted on 08/28/2008 12:08:01 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

“The choice was simple: sit back and watch the decade’s second Balkan genocide, or split the two combatants up.”

I’m no fan of Milosevic, but there was no genocide in Kosovo. If ther was, wouldn’t the Hague have charged Milosevic with it? The Hague’s charges against Milosevic regarding Kosovo didn’t include genocide.


26 posted on 08/28/2008 3:08:53 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Putin sucks.)
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“The two million ethnic Albanian Kosovars wanted to leave Serbia and were energized to do so by the departure of Slovenia and Croatia and Macedonia and Bosnia and Montenegro - and figured that if Montenegro, which is basically ethnically Serb and one-third their population, could leave Serbia they certainly could.”

The difference was that under the old Yugoslav Constitution, republics had the right to leave, at least on paper, while autonomous provinces (which Kosovo was) didn’t.

“Anyone who thinks that 65,000 South Ossetians - maybe 1.25% of Georgia’s population - realistically wanted to make a go of it as a separate nation is smoking crack.”

True, but then again Putin may not want a independent South Ossetia,but rather seeks to attach it to North Ossetia.


27 posted on 08/28/2008 3:12:29 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Putin sucks.)
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To: wideawake

Kosovo is Serbia.

Deal with it.

The foreign troops will leave and then peace and justice will return to Kosovo alongside the Serb Army.

Serbs are neither Dhimmis nor quitters, you see.


29 posted on 08/28/2008 5:08:19 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: wideawake

Espousing every anti-Christian Serb propaganda line there is, I see.

Next will come posts from Soros-sponsored websites, no doubt.


30 posted on 08/28/2008 5:09:51 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: wideawake
There's been a lot of whining and complaining since, but no new Srebrenicas.

Only if one chooses to ignore (or perhaps supports) the ethnic cleansing of the Serb, Jew, and Roma residents of the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija, including the destruction of 200+ Christian Churches and monasteries.

It's just not the sort of thing a Christian would support.

31 posted on 08/28/2008 5:12:47 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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BUMP!


32 posted on 08/28/2008 6:20:24 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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I’m no fan of Milosevic, but there was no genocide in Kosovo.

I didn't say there was. I said there were two possible outcomes: sitting back and watching a genocide happen, or splitting up the two parties so a genocide would not happen.

We chose scenario two and stepped in before scenario one could come to pass.

33 posted on 08/28/2008 7:14:44 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Jacob Kell
The difference was that under the old Yugoslav Constitution, republics had the right to leave, at least on paper, while autonomous provinces (which Kosovo was) didn’t.

Exposing the deep constitutional difficulties that inhere in Serbia - Serbia essentially claims to simultaneously be the legal successor of the old Kingdom, and the old Republic and the Communist Republic, when it is actually none of these three things but something new.

What is the constitutional status of the Republika Srpska - which has no status or authorization of any kind under the Yugoslav Constitution of any era?

Serbs rewrite the rules in their favor and then become enraged when other ethnic groups emulate them.

True, but then again Putin may not want a independent South Ossetia,but rather seeks to attach it to North Ossetia.

Of course he does. There is no actual South Ossetian independence movement - that's a Russian fiction.

34 posted on 08/28/2008 7:21:59 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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The foreign troops will leave and then peace and justice will return to Kosovo alongside the Serb Army.

Who will make the foreign troops leave? The Serb army? Don't make me laugh.

Assuming that foreign observers do decide to just vanish one day, allowing Serb armed forces to walk in, how will "justice" be restored?

Rounding up and shooting any Kosovars who resist invasion? Patrolling the streets of Kosovo night and day with Serb soldiers and secret police, keeping the Kosovars in line?

Serbs are neither Dhimmis nor quitters

Except, of course, for the three hundred or so years when they were officially dhimmis of the Sultan - and basically quitters.

35 posted on 08/28/2008 7:31:19 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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Espousing every anti-Christian Serb propaganda line there is, I see.

You're very fond of spouting the propaganda line of Serbia as a "Christian" nation.

I'll remind you again: less than 10% of the Serb population can be found anywhere near a church on Sunday.

Serbia is actually an atheist nation with a small Christian minority.

Were the Serbs who served in Nedic's volunteer forces under Waffen SS commanders Christians? How about the Serbs who served in Tito's secret police - were they some kind of monastic order?

Next will come posts from Soros-sponsored websites, no doubt.

You'll be waiting a very long time. But you'll say anything to avoid making a rational argument.

36 posted on 08/28/2008 7:37:24 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: FormerLib
Only if one chooses to ignore (or perhaps supports) the ethnic cleansing of the Serb, Jew, and Roma residents of the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija, including the destruction of 200+ Christian Churches and monasteries. It's just not the sort of thing a Christian would support.

And yet there are Serbs and Jews and Roma living in Kosovo. No military assaults on Serb towns. No graves with hundreds of Serb bodies in the Pristina suburbs. As I said - no new Srebrenicas.

Odd that.

Would you say that during the civil war waged between the Serbs and their subject peoples throughout the 1990s no Serbs destroyed any mosques, or Catholic churches? That this sickening back-and-forth destruction of each group's precious historical and religious sites was really completely one-sided? That the hands of the Serbs are as white as the snow and only the Croats' and Slovenes' and Bosniaks' and Albanians' hands are dirty?

Or are you only telling the half of the story you like to hear?

37 posted on 08/28/2008 7:44:35 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
The choice was simple: sit back and watch the decade's second Balkan genocide,..

You speak of the genocide fabricated by the American Left Wing Press to provide Slick Willie cover for the Lewinskis he got. Are you out on the street agitating to bomb the Sudanese Muslims for their ongoing murders of Infidels? How about bombing the Chinese for their murders of Tibetans or Uighurs? How about bombing Indonesia for its ongoing murders of Christians by Muslims?

America had no business bombing the Serbs. Clinton is a war criminal. Bush is a sell out. To expect Russia to roll over and be nice with NATO advancing its military front toward Russia on top of taking territory from its ethnic brethren is idiotic. It's dangerous. People championing such a foreign policy are nuts.

38 posted on 08/28/2008 7:58:33 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: wideawake
Who will make the foreign troops leave?

They will leave on their own. All the Serbs have to do is wait and then reclaim what is theirs.

Your jihadist allies can't kill them all.

39 posted on 08/28/2008 8:26:52 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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They will leave on their own. All the Serbs have to do is wait and then reclaim what is theirs.

By invading Kosovo and killing thousands of Kosovars, presumably?

Your jihadist allies can't kill them all.

Do you think the Serbs' jihadist allies in Iran will help them reconquer Kosovo?

40 posted on 08/28/2008 8:33:50 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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Restoring law and order to Kosovo will not be much different from United States efforts to deporting illegal aliens. Only the criminals will have anything to fear.

Oh, let me guess, “Srebrenica Squawk”?

Why was nothing done to stop the Jihadists from conducting murderous raids against Serb villages from the “safe zone” of Srebrenica?

The more you get in bed with Clinton’s policies, the more you become like him.


41 posted on 08/28/2008 8:42:37 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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Restoring law and order to Kosovo will not be much different from United States efforts to deporting illegal aliens. Only the criminals will have anything to fear.

These are not a few thousand illegals at a chicken plant. This is an operating government with security forces and two million people, over a million of whom have been living on that land for generations.

Retaking Kosovo will not be policemen arresting one or two percent of a neighborhoods inhabitants. It will be a bloody street-to-street, house-to-house war against a prepared enemy.

Serbia has the numbers to eventually prevail, but it will cost both sides tens of thousands of lives and will become an enormous, ongoing financial burden to Serbia.

Why was nothing done to stop the Jihadists from conducting murderous raids against Serb villages from the “safe zone” of Srebrenica?

No Albanian war criminals have ever been put on trial for their crimes? None have ever been apprehended by NATO or UN forces? Oh, wait. They have. Just like Milosevic.

The more you get in bed with Clinton’s policies, the more you become like him.

You seem much better at dropping names (Soros, Clinton) and sloganistic epithets (jihadist, anti-Christian) than providing rational analysis.

The right policy for NATO to employ in the Balkans was to separate out the various combatants into different states and statelets to minimize the unending bloody reprisals between the parties.

But don't worry - Serbia still has Hungarian and Rumanian minorities it can now turn on. Maybe an independent republic of Voivodina will be next.

42 posted on 08/28/2008 9:16:51 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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>And yet there are Serbs and Jews and Roma living in Kosovo.

I was under the impression that all of the Jews left Kosovo. As for the Serbs and Roma, all too often they were subjected to ethnically motivated attacks, pogroms, and at the least harassement or discrimination.


43 posted on 08/28/2008 9:20:46 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Putin sucks.)
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To: wideawake

“We chose scenario two and stepped in before scenario one could come to pass.”

I doubt that scenario one would have come to pass anyways. But that’s just my opinion.


44 posted on 08/28/2008 9:23:03 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Putin sucks.)
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To: wideawake

“But don’t worry - Serbia still has Hungarian and Rumanian minorities it can now turn on. Maybe an independent republic of Voivodina will be next.”

I doubt it. Serbs make up a majority of Vojvodina’s pouplation, even if a narrow one.


45 posted on 08/28/2008 9:24:12 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Putin sucks.)
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To: wideawake
The choice was simple: sit back and watch the decade's second Balkan genocide...

What "second genocide" are you referring to?

46 posted on 08/29/2008 12:56:44 AM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Jacob Kell
I was under the impression that all of the Jews left Kosovo.

There were almost no Jews in Kosovo when Serbia was in power and there are almost no Jews in Kosovo now that Kosovars are in power.

There weren't that many to begin with, and most of them left for Israel when the Balkan wars broke out.

As for the Serbs and Roma, all too often they were subjected to ethnically motivated attacks, pogroms, and at the least harassement or discrimination.

In the case of the Serbs, I'm sure the harassment and discrimination charges are absolutely true. After all, the shoe was on the other foot just months ago. No people in the Balkans seems able to let bygones be bygones.

I've heard no credible reports of any pogroms.

47 posted on 08/29/2008 4:52:13 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Jacob Kell
I doubt that scenario one would have come to pass anyways. But that’s just my opinion.

The actions of Belgrade in Kosovo were reminiscent of the runup to the last genocide.

48 posted on 08/29/2008 4:53:45 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Jacob Kell
I doubt it. Serbs make up a majority of Vojvodina’s pouplation, even if a narrow one.

Absolutely correct.

But if they turn on their last sizable remaining minority - the Hungarians - they could lose yet more territory.

One would assume that they would know better than to do this - Hungary is a much stronger nation than Albania, is a full member of NATO, has a modern military with officers who are combat veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan and who have good knowledge of Serbian geography, etc. - but the Serb faction represented by the Radical Party have never been the type to think before acting.

49 posted on 08/29/2008 5:01:58 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: kronos77

What arrogant and corrupt people. But, it doesn’t matter, France will be a Muslim nation within this lifetime. They will feel the same pain Serbs are feeling in due time.

There is ultimately a higher court than any man can make. Justice will be served. One way or another.


50 posted on 08/29/2008 5:58:41 AM PDT by SQUID
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