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No Pledge in school? Seeking FReep Advice & Input
8/30/08 | capagrl

Posted on 08/30/2008 5:15:15 AM PDT by Capagrl

I just found out late last night that my local public high school is not saying the Pledge of Allegiance at any point during the school day. Is this the norm??

This information came to me via a foreign exchange student we are hosting who is in her senior year of high school at our local public institution. We were talking about her first week of school which commenced 8/27 and she said they have not done the pledge even once yet! She knew what it was, she knows the words - she learned them before coming here. But her school's morning announcements, etc. have not had the pledge as part of the routine.

My first inclination was to contact the school first thing Tuesday to start asking questions, but I thought I should first consult with my fellow Americans to find out if I'm so far out of the loop that this is the new norm. My stepson who attends public elementary school just told me that his school (in the same district) says the pledge each morning. Hmmmmmm....


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: education; homeschoolingisgood; patriotism; pledge; pledgeofallegiance; publicschool; publicschools
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1 posted on 08/30/2008 5:15:15 AM PDT by Capagrl
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To: Capagrl

I taught in the 70s in several schools in 3 states. None of them had a daily pledge.

When I was in jr high (Carlsbad, NM), we said the pledge every morning. High school in Arkansas, no pledge.


2 posted on 08/30/2008 5:18:42 AM PDT by TomGuy
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We said the pledge every day in grammar school; but in high school we only said it at assemblies.


3 posted on 08/30/2008 5:19:35 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Capagrl

Im a high school history teacher in Maine and we say the pledge each day. If we didnt there would be hell to pay. Where is your school?


4 posted on 08/30/2008 5:20:22 AM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: TomGuy

My kids are going into the second and third grade...have never been taught anything about the US, cannot name the President.....YET, know about Mexico and this week will be studying Japan.


5 posted on 08/30/2008 5:20:29 AM PDT by Blue Turtle (I)
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To: Capagrl

I don’t remember ever doing the pledge in high school.

And that was 30 years ago.


6 posted on 08/30/2008 5:24:14 AM PDT by DB
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To: Capagrl

I’ve taught at 3 high schools, and at each, the Pledge was said each morning. FWIW.


7 posted on 08/30/2008 5:25:09 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Capagrl

I am a public high school teacher (and a conservative). The pledge isn’t said anymore because it can lead to “trouble”. If kids don’t want to say it...it’s an issue...the feeling is we have enough issues.

Some teachers (always liberals) feel it’s inappropriate in a multi-culti world. We have twenty percent who were not born here...some kids are openly unamerican, even anti-american...nobody wants to struggle through the pledge with these kids every day.

Sad but true.


8 posted on 08/30/2008 5:25:51 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Capagrl

They got rid of it here while I was in HS. 10+ years ago.

It felt weird not saying it at first but of course all the morons were happy to not have to stand up.


9 posted on 08/30/2008 5:25:57 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: Capagrl
I think schools vary from state to state widely. In Virginia, every school is required to post a sign that says "In God We Trust" in a prominent place, have a minute of silence each day, say the pledge every morning, and play the anthem before every assembly and every sporting event. But, that's Virginia. Obviously, your mileage is varying.

If you feel strongly about this, I'd start stirring the pot first thing Tuesday morning. Start with the local school administration, then go up the chain. You will probably end up at the school board level. See if there are other parents that agree with you - change comes when good people take a stand and DEMAND it.

Good luck and enjoy the ride. You are going to learn a whole lot about your local community.

10 posted on 08/30/2008 5:26:19 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (I'm trying to think of a new screen name - any suggestions?)
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To: DeusExMachina05

This is in central Pennsylvania - the area often referred to as “Pennsyltucky” due to our strong conservative values (er, we hunt, fish, have gun racks in our numerous pick up trucks, etc.)


11 posted on 08/30/2008 5:26:24 AM PDT by Capagrl (Never argue with stupid people; they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: varyouga

I make them stand even if they wont say it. I give them the guilt trip about guys/gals dying for their freedom while they worry about their ipod battery. Works every time!


12 posted on 08/30/2008 5:27:46 AM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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In Great Neck, NY, a bastion of liberal thinking, our Grandson’s grade school recites the Pledge daily and they sing God Bless America. Nobody was more surprised than I to hear this.


13 posted on 08/30/2008 5:27:52 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Capagrl

I remember going to school 30 years ago in california( yes, california) and saying the pledge. Here in Maine, my kids say it every day at school.


14 posted on 08/30/2008 5:28:13 AM PDT by navygal (retired navy and proud of it.)
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Grab the kids, the flag and the lamp oil and get down here to Texas before we pull up the draw bridge. Pennsylvania is a quagmire. /h /s :oP
15 posted on 08/30/2008 5:29:00 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (This post needs no words.)
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To: Capagrl

One more for the “did it in Elementary School then no more...” crowd.


16 posted on 08/30/2008 5:33:04 AM PDT by kimmie7 (My brother - my hero.)
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Or just ditch the Pennsyl part and make it all Kentucky. It’s still a pretty friendly state. And beautiful.


17 posted on 08/30/2008 5:35:00 AM PDT by kimmie7 (My brother - my hero.)
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To: kjo
I am a public high school teacher (and a conservative). The pledge isn’t said anymore because it can lead to “trouble”. If kids don’t want to say it...it’s an issue...the feeling is we have enough issues.

Some teachers (always liberals) feel it’s inappropriate in a multi-culti world. We have twenty percent who were not born here...some kids are openly unamerican, even anti-american...nobody wants to struggle through the pledge with these kids every day.

I am also a public high school teacher (and a conservative). The pledge is said where I teach, and it does not lead to “trouble”. If kids don’t want to say it...it’s not an issue. My feeling is those who are ashamed of America's greatness can show respect for the majority by standing silently - or tehy can learn why we love our country.

Some teachers (always liberals) feel it’s inappropriate in a multi-culti world. We have twenty percent who were not born here...some kids are openly unamerican, even anti-american...but they can grow up and accept the fact that most of us are proud of freedom, democracy, and the greatness of America.

18 posted on 08/30/2008 5:37:30 AM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: kjo
Some teachers (always liberals) feel it’s inappropriate in a multi-culti world. We have twenty percent who were not born here...some kids are openly unamerican, even anti-american...nobody wants to struggle through the pledge with these kids every day.

I wasn't born here and came to school as a foreigner. I was happy to say the pledge because I appreciated where I was. More so than many kids born here.

It's not foreigners, but leftism and liberalism that causes this. Combined with an entitlement mentality and politicians that enable it.

19 posted on 08/30/2008 5:37:35 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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We’re over here in Allentown, PA. Pledge is said every morning. Some Muslim students have protested and are exempt from saying it.

In South Jersey, where I grew up, Pledge was said every morning right after the National Anthem was played over the loud speaker.

In my husband’s schools in suburban Phila., the Pledge was said and then there was a Bible reading every morning - in a public school. Of course, that was in the 50’s.

I didn’t realize that so many public schools have opted to forego the Pledge. Amazing.

I would talk to some of your friends and see what they think. There’s strength in numbers.


20 posted on 08/30/2008 5:42:38 AM PDT by randita
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