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Body of Naftoli Smolyansky Found (body rises from bottom of Lake after prayers)
Yeshivaworld.com ^ | September 2, 2008 | Yehuda Drudgestein

Posted on 09/03/2008 3:06:59 PM PDT by Nachum

9/01/08 3:12PM EST: [UPDATES IN EXTENDED ARTICLE] Credible sources tell YWN that the missing body of 39-year-old Naftoli Smolyansky Z”L, who went missing while on a boating trip in Lake Piru, California has just been found.

Naftoli was in a boat on the lake with his 9-year-old son and his two daughters, ages 5 and 7 last Monday afternoon, when his youngest daughter fell overboard. He jumped in to save her, and managed to push his daughter back into the boat, but he R”L went under and did not resurface.

Hundreds of people joined the massive search by air, land, and on the lake - and a few moments ago was B”H found.

The Levaya details will be posted as soon as they are made available to us.

Sources told YWN that approximately 5:00AM on Monday morning, a group of 10 Rabbonim gathered on a boat on the lake, and performed a Segula in the hope of finding the body of Naftali Z”L. Apparently, a flat bread was baked in his Zechus, and the bread was set afloat on the lake with a lit candle on it.

Certain Tehillim and other Tefillos were then said until the bread stopped moving. At that precise location a stone was dropped into the water, and shortly later the body rose to the surface!


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: body; found; missing; prayers; rabbis
We knew this man and they were not able to find the body until the morning the Rabbis went on the lake.
1 posted on 09/03/2008 3:06:59 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

When YWN broke the sad news of the recovery of the missing body of Naftoli Smolyansky Z”L, we had reported that a “Segula” was performed on a boat on the lake, which subsequently led to the finding of the body. Many rumors have been spread, some claiming that no Segula was ever done, while others are disregarding the entire story.

The following is THE story - as told by a person who wishes to remain anonymous, and who was intensely involved in every aspect of the search & rescue mission, and knows all the details and facts first-hand.

On Monday morning at approximately 5:30AM, a group of Rabbonim (both Ashkenazim and Persian) departed the command post on a boat. Once out on the Lake, they put a flat bread which was baked specifically for this Segula on the water with a candle on it. As soon as the bread stopped moving, they threw a stone wrapped with some writing on it into the exact spot that the bread stopped. When the flat bread stayed in place for a little bit, Lake Piru Ranger Kurt White placed a buoy on that spot and contacted Captain Giles of the Ventura County Sheriff’s Department Dive Team. Captain Giles and a volunteer diver arrived approximately 11:00AM to dive on that spot. In the meantime the Ashkenaz Rabbonim left the area, while the Persian Rabbonim Davened Shacharis.

At approximately 11:30AM, as Captain Giles and his dive partner were about to take the first dive of the day, the body surfaced approximately 150 yards SOUTH of the area that the buoy was placed. Captain Giles and the US Coast Guard Auxiliary spotted it at the same time. They immediately contacted the Hatzolah Command Post, and had one of the Hatzolah Coordinators come to the Ranger Station.

Rabbi Goldenberg of Yeshiva Toras Emes, who is the liaison with the Coroner’s Office was immediately contacted. He gave Hatzolah specific instructions on how to treat the Niftar. The Hatzolah Coordinator then proceeded to the Sheriff’s Dock area along with a family member and Ranger Clayton Straham to await transport onto the lake and identify the body.

At precisely the same time, the Hatzolah Command Post issued directives to all searchers on the lake to head back in and await further instructions. At the request of Rabbi Gradon, no one was told anything until after the body was identified. At approximately 1:00PM a positive identification was made, and the Hatzolah Coordinator radioed the Command Post that the Rabbonim can let the Almono know.

The person who spoke to YWN added: “The search mission has been a tremendous job that was done by a most incredible community. There is no one person that deserves recognition. We as a community are just happy that the family can now start the healing process, as well as the rest of us.”
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/22987/YWN+EXCLUSIVE:+The+Story+Of+The+Segula+To+Find+Naftoli+Smolyansky+Z


2 posted on 09/03/2008 3:07:36 PM PDT by Nachum (Obama: building a religion)
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To: Alouette

ping


3 posted on 09/03/2008 3:08:38 PM PDT by Nachum (Obama: building a religion)
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To: Nachum

How sad, and I’m very glad they found his body. A friend of my family died in a boating accident in the Atlantic Ocean a few years ago, and it was four months before they found his remains.

I wish people who can’t swim would wear life jackets in boats. It’s dreadfully, even unethically, foolish not to.


4 posted on 09/03/2008 3:12:31 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Guinness! Because it's already after noon in Dublin!)
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To: Nachum
Unless the water is too cold, bodies decompose, produce gas, and rise to the surface. In Baltimore Harbor they are called "floaters" and they come up after the winter about March 1st. I was aware of this because I lived on a houseboat there, for two years, and one spring one came up about 50 yards from my boat.

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5 posted on 09/03/2008 3:29:59 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.theacru.org)
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To: Nachum

About three years ago in the mountain rivers up here a father dove in to save his daughter who apparently was under some kind of waterfall and couldn’t surface. They both drowned. And someone who knew the family said that they thought lifejackets were ‘dorky’.


6 posted on 09/03/2008 3:34:21 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Nachum
I had a friend who was an old riverman and he used to be the one the authorities called to find bodies, being a river bodies come to find predicable streams and end up in predictable places. Since he had spent his life on and along the river he knew all the places. A few years ago he decided he was too old for the river, and a couple years later he died.

A big lake or reservoir is a fiendishly difficult place to find a body. In northern climes the lakes deep water can be cold enough so that no decomposition occurs -- a body sinks and never rises. Lakes behind dams have old forests under them and a body can be trapped, many lakes have sinkholes (underground flows) that if a body disappears into them -- it's gone forever.

7 posted on 09/03/2008 3:36:58 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Nachum
I read about this in Yeshiva World News. Very sad. Also tragic--the report about the young boy who fell down the elevator shaft in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn.

I am thankful they were at least able to recover the body.

8 posted on 09/03/2008 3:40:45 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Tax-chick
I wish people who can’t swim would wear life jackets in boats. It’s dreadfully, even unethically, foolish not to.

Bless you... but anyone who is in a boat should wear a life jacket at all times even if they can swim. (even Michael Phelps)
9 posted on 09/03/2008 5:31:12 PM PDT by stlnative (Change and Experience - McCain/Palin 08)
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To: stlnative

You’re right, of course.


10 posted on 09/03/2008 5:44:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Guinness! Because it's already after noon in Dublin!)
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To: stlnative
Bless you... but anyone who is in a boat should wear a life jacket at all times even if they can swim. (even Michael Phelps)

Why? Why is this level of paranoia necessary? Do you really think that if Michael Phelps were out on a houseboat in the lake, that he would be at any real risk of drowning, assuming he's not drunk as a skunk?
11 posted on 09/03/2008 6:05:22 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

It is not a level of paranoia. It is called being smart and safe. You can drown very easily no matter how well you swim in any body type of water.

I guess you have not been around areas that have many drownings every year or had to search for a drowned person in the water or pull one out that has been in the water for a few days or even few weeks.


12 posted on 09/03/2008 8:26:08 PM PDT by stlnative (Change and Experience - McCain/Palin 08)
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To: stlnative
I guess you have not been around areas that have many drownings every year or had to search for a drowned person in the water or pull one out that has been in the water for a few days or even few weeks.

Why would that matter? A relatively small number of people drown in these kinds of accidents, as compared to overall causes of death. Why should we be overly paranoid or implement draconian safety laws just because a single death has a big emotional impact if you see it in person? Driving on the freeway is more dangerous. Should we recommend everyone wear a helmet at all times?
13 posted on 09/03/2008 9:34:43 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

No need to wear a helmet in your car as you have the required safty equipment already... a seat belt and an airbag. Motorcyclists are required to wear helmets although it is hoped that they will never need them. To use our road system it is also required that we have a license to drive. It would be idiocy to drive on the road without either the ability to control a motor vehicle or any safety equipment. So it is also foolish and dangerous to go out on the water without the ability to swim or a life jacket. Parents please teach your children to swim!


14 posted on 09/28/2008 6:27:39 AM PDT by shenko
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To: Nachum

What a beautiful answer to prayer.Sorry about the loss of your friend,(((Hugs))) Fatima


15 posted on 09/28/2008 6:43:35 AM PDT by fatima (Put your lipstick on girls and go vote.)
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To: shenko
So it is also foolish and dangerous to go out on the water without the ability to swim or a life jacket. Parents please teach your children to swim!

I agree, you should either know how to swim well or wear a lifejacket. I was objecting to an earlier poster (and I had to go back and re-read this stuff, since this is an old thread) who said that everybody should wear a life jacket at all times, even Michael Phelps (the Olympic swimmer). Taking the safety mentality to that extreme is what I disagreed with.
16 posted on 09/28/2008 2:03:11 PM PDT by fr_freak
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