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Melting Swiss glacier yields Neolithic trove, climate secrets
Yahoo - AFP ^ | Sept 5, 2008 | by Hui Min Neo Hui Min Neo

Posted on 09/05/2008 3:00:50 PM PDT by Islander7

BERN (AFP) – Some 5,000 years ago, on a day with weather much like today's, a prehistoric person tread high up in what is now the Swiss Alps, wearing goat leather pants, leather shoes and armed with a bow and arrows.

The unremarkable journey through the Schnidejoch pass, a lofty trail 2,756 metres (9,000 feet) above sea level, has been a boon to scientists. But it would never have emerged if climate change were not melting the nearby glacier.

So far, 300 objects dating as far back as the Neolithic or New Stone Age -- about 4,000 BC in Europe -- to the later Bronze and Iron Ages and the Medieval era have been found in the site's former icefields.

"We know now that the discoveries on Schnidejoch are the oldest of this kind ever made in the Alps," said Albert Hafner, an expert with the archaeology service in Bern canton.

They have allowed researchers not only to piece together snapshots of life way back when, but also to shed light on climate fluctuations in the past 6,500 years -- and hopefully shed light on what is happening now.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: climatechange; doomage; environment; globalwarming; godsgravesglyphs; junkscience; weather
Analysis showed the pants' patch was made from a domesticated goat that resembled a breed recorded in Laos in those days.

"But the chances that the goat migrated from Laos are very slim. It could be a species that we had never before recorded to have been present in the Europe. Or its lineage may have died out since," said Grosjean.

Five years on, discoveries continue as the glaciers retreats.

"Last week, we found another Roman coin," said Grosjean, while Hafner said talks were underway with several museums on a future exhibition of the finds.

And with climate change, more such sites could emerge.

1 posted on 09/05/2008 3:00:50 PM PDT by Islander7
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To: Islander7

So clearly the glaciers had not been there 9000 years ago.

Yet we are the cause of melting glaciers.


2 posted on 09/05/2008 3:02:12 PM PDT by Carling (I'm a Typical White Person)
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To: Islander7

Look fast, dude. It’s getting colder. Thanks to this big ball of fire in the sky that has a little something to do with our climate in this solar system.


3 posted on 09/05/2008 3:03:01 PM PDT by jdsteel (Palin has more experience, and class, than Obama)
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To: Islander7
"But the chances that the goat migrated from Laos are very slim."

Are you suggesting that goats migrate?
Not at all. It could have been carried.
What! Carried by a swallow?

4 posted on 09/05/2008 3:03:57 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: Islander7; SunkenCiv

Neolithic ping


5 posted on 09/05/2008 3:04:09 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Carling
So clearly the glaciers had not been there 9000 years ago.

I think that's what's called "an inconvenient truth." :)

6 posted on 09/05/2008 3:11:44 PM PDT by gundog (John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Not an African swallow.


7 posted on 09/05/2008 3:12:41 PM PDT by gundog (John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Islander7
Are you suggesting that goats migrate? Not at all. It could have been carried. What! Carried by a swallow?

Dude it came over in the ark.

But now that you mention it...what kind of Swallow? African or European?

8 posted on 09/05/2008 3:12:53 PM PDT by AreaMan
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To: jdsteel

I live in Seattle. I do not know of this big ball of fire in the sky that you talk about.


9 posted on 09/05/2008 3:13:24 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: Carling

Yeah, how did all this stuff get UNDER the glacier in the first place?

Right, IT MUST NOT HAVE BEEN A GLACIER 9,000 YEARS AGO.

Damn that Fred Flintstone and his carbon-spewing SUV.


10 posted on 09/05/2008 3:13:25 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: Argus
Damn that Fred Flintstone and his carbon-spewing SUV.

I'm blaming Mr. Slate and his rock quarry/coal mine.

11 posted on 09/05/2008 3:14:50 PM PDT by Carling (I'm a Typical White Person)
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To: All


Are your sure one of those 9000 year old mummies didn't escape?
12 posted on 09/05/2008 3:15:11 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Let's get serious - there is only one choice - McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: irishtenor

Do the old men’s legends not speak of such a thing?


13 posted on 09/05/2008 3:15:31 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: gundog

“Not an African swallow.”
Maybe a Russian KGB Swallow? Oh! Wait! That refers to something else. Never mind!


14 posted on 09/05/2008 3:20:14 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well, couldn’t several swallows use a nylon string to carry a goat.

Oh, they’d need at least two goats.

I believe african swallows are stronger than regular swallows. I’m not sure about Laosian swallows.


15 posted on 09/05/2008 3:20:51 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: Islander7; calcowgirl; The Spirit Of Allegiance; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; ...


Beam me to Planet Gore !

16 posted on 09/05/2008 3:23:11 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: DuncanWaring

There are dire prophesies of a great ball of fire in the sky causing all the moss and mold to dry up, but we know this is a false utterance.


17 posted on 09/05/2008 3:25:03 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: Carling

Stop

Being

Logical

It will only get us in trouble.


18 posted on 09/05/2008 3:27:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: gundog

But African swallows are non-migratory.


19 posted on 09/05/2008 3:32:18 PM PDT by I-ambush
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To: gundog

But African swallows are non-migratory.


20 posted on 09/05/2008 3:32:18 PM PDT by I-ambush
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To: irishtenor

A friend of mine in Seattle swears he saw it a few months ago.


21 posted on 09/05/2008 3:33:02 PM PDT by Domandred (McWhathisname / Palin - 2008)
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To: Islander7

by Hui Min Neo ??

sound like fake name
22 posted on 09/05/2008 3:33:56 PM PDT by smokingfrog (He that lives upon hope will die fasting. - Ben Franklin)
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To: irishtenor
I live in Seattle. I do not know of this big ball of fire in the sky that you talk about.

You'll have to step out of the Starbuck's and look up. I lived in Federal Way around 1964. The house rules required being home before dark. That sucked in the Winter. I got my revenge in June. Fungus corner has its good points. Getting slapped in the face with a freshly picked bunch of nettles isn't one of them. Wild blueberries, raspberries and huckleberries were a satisfactory consolation. A summer swim in Mirror lake or Steel lake was pleasant...much better than my single attempt to wade into Puget Sound dressed for a San Diego beach.

23 posted on 09/05/2008 3:57:41 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: gundog
Not an African swallow.

European.

WHAT is your favourite colour?

24 posted on 09/05/2008 3:58:54 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: Islander7
BERN (AFP) – Some 5,000 years ago, on a day with weather much like today's, a prehistoric person tread high up in what is now the Swiss Alps, wearing goat leather pants, leather shoes and armed with a bow and arrows.

AHAH! HE caused global warming - that Neanderthal member of the NBA (National Bow Association), running all over the place selfishly spewing carbon dioxide from his lungs, starting carbon-burning fires to cook the meat of innocent animals, etc., etc. This misanthrope's descendants must all be Republicans, Gaia curse his existence!

25 posted on 09/05/2008 4:03:29 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: Myrddin

I have been here since 1957, so I have seniority :>)

When I was a wee lad, I would sit out shirtless in the summer to get a tan. Now I know it was only rust. Sigh.

Are you a fan of Lawhead, by any chamce?


26 posted on 09/05/2008 4:07:59 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: AreaMan

I spit on you, you English dog.


27 posted on 09/05/2008 4:09:35 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Carling

No, they dug through the glacier to deposit the artifacts just to throw us off.


28 posted on 09/05/2008 4:15:30 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Steele for VP! Palin isn't too bad either.)
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To: Argus; Carling
Yeah, how did all this stuff get UNDER the glacier in the first place?

Right, IT MUST NOT HAVE BEEN A GLACIER 9,000 YEARS AGO.

(Hush. You weren't supposed to have noticed that little inconvenient truth about the climate.....)

29 posted on 09/05/2008 4:25:07 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Islander7
Some 5,000 years ago, on a day with weather much like today's, a prehistoric person tread high up in what is now the Swiss Alps, wearing goat leather pants, leather shoes and armed with a bow and arrows.

But how is that possible? That was before Bush and SUVs caused global warming!

30 posted on 09/05/2008 4:27:38 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (DNC = Do Nothing Congress)
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To: smokingfrog

Sal Mineo’s illegitimate son.


31 posted on 09/05/2008 4:47:59 PM PDT by wizr ("Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition." - Chaplain Maguire, Pearl Harbor, 1941)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Must have hitched a ride on a pterodactyl thingy.
32 posted on 09/05/2008 5:04:37 PM PDT by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, and Guns more then ever. And greatly missing President Reagan)
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Ree-cola! Ree-cola!

Alpine melt reveals ancient life [ Schnidejoch glacier ]
BBC News | Sunday, August 24, 2008 | Imogen Foulkes
Posted on 08/26/2008 5:51:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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33 posted on 09/05/2008 9:54:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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34 posted on 09/05/2008 9:55:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Islander7

So, what I want to know is who drove their gas guzzling SUVs over the Alps in the years leading up to 4,000 B.C. and made it so warm that that our ancient hiker could walk through the pass????? (Alien’s maybe??) /sarc


35 posted on 09/06/2008 12:49:02 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; Argus; Carling

Yeah, how did all this stuff get UNDER the glacier in the first place?

Right, IT MUST NOT HAVE BEEN A GLACIER 9,000 YEARS AGO.

(Hush. You weren’t supposed to have noticed that little inconvenient truth about the climate.....)
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The strangest thing about these stories is how the writer can make a comment like “But it would never have emerged if climate change were not melting the nearby glacier.” without realizing how silly that renders the whole “climate change” hype!


36 posted on 09/06/2008 8:46:19 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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